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Post by SicJes on May 2, 2023 1:40:16 GMT
Seeing more and more footage of James smoking cigars at the venue. It's kind of surprising considering how much I've heard them talk about health and longevity over the years. But hey, his choice. The universe is strange, this just popped up on my YouTube feed. đ¤Ł
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Post by yepsure on May 2, 2023 2:33:46 GMT
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Post by jorn on May 2, 2023 9:22:17 GMT
KH: Yeah, and you know what? I wonât know until we get to Amsterdam, I come to that point, and I play whatever I play. Itâs going to be a surprise to me, and I think thatâs a beautiful thing, rather than getting a pre-packaged thing that you just know whatâs going happen. Youâve heard it 40,000 times before and, âOkay, yeah, that sounds just like the album, yay.â People are into it, but Iâm not that into it these days.
These kind of comments are a little bit dissapointing. He earned this spot and freedom by hard work but also can't rule out the fact that by being at the right place, right time as well. Huge respect to him and I like him a lot. He has achieved a lot in terms of iconic guitar work.
But people enjoy songs for a reason. They go to shows for a reason.
While I admit, he's not half bad live (not in terms of accuracy but presence) as people seem to claim, at least not in the times I've seen them live, people be there for the music.
I think a balance between clever improvisation and accuracy is what is needed here. He definately needs to find a more creative place in terms of ' his vocabulary'.
I am all positive for him maintaining his musical vocabulary and confidence and new found love for being free. But it all comes down to what that vocabulary conveys in the end.
People are not there for a certain players own renditions or improvisation based on how he feels at that particular moment.
I think he is exaggerating that 'improvisation' factor. He may just not be very interested following the note for note performances. A lot of good improvisers work hard to achieve that level.
Playing guitar and working on 'your' approach to guitar are two different things. But in the end, none of the Metallica guys (except Rob) are known for approaching to practicing and fine tuning their playing. They just do. That's how it always been. They practice on tours, every night. Their way is this.
Kirk seems to enjoy his craft "this way".
I don't enjoy it and I would much prefer the other way but it is his craft.
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Post by yepsure on May 2, 2023 12:34:02 GMT
KH: Yeah, and you know what? I wonât know until we get to Amsterdam, I come to that point, and I play whatever I play. Itâs going to be a surprise to me, and I think thatâs a beautiful thing, rather than getting a pre-packaged thing that you just know whatâs going happen. Youâve heard it 40,000 times before and, âOkay, yeah, that sounds just like the album, yay.â People are into it, but Iâm not that into it these days. These kind of comments are a little bit dissapointing. He earned this spot and freedom by hard work but also can't rule out the fact that by being at the right place, right time as well. Huge respect to him and I like him a lot. He has achieved a lot in terms of iconic guitar work. But people enjoy songs for a reason. They go to shows for a reason. While I admit, he's not half bad live (not in terms of accuracy but presence) as people seem to claim, at least not in the times I've seen them live, people be there for the music. I think a balance between clever improvisation and accuracy is what is needed here. He definately needs to find a more creative place in terms of ' his vocabulary'. I am all positive for him maintaining his musical vocabulary and confidence and new found love for being free. But it all comes down to what that vocabulary conveys in the end. People are not there for a certain players own renditions or improvisation based on how he feels at that particular moment. I think he is exaggerating that 'improvisation' factor. He may just not be very interested following the note for note performances. A lot of good improvisers work hard to achieve that level. Playing guitar and working on 'your' approach to guitar are two different things. But in the end, none of the Metallica guys (except Rob) are known for approaching to practicing and fine tuning their playing. They just do. That's how it always been. They practice on tours, every night. Their way is this. Kirk seems to enjoy his craft "this way". I don't enjoy it and I would much prefer the other way but it is his craft. Kirk seems to not give a fuck about anything. He seems to enjoy playing guitar. If the people around him put him in a position to be able to play guitar, he'll do it and be happy about it. Whether it's Metallica putting him in the studio to record some solos or play Sad But True at a TV station, or play some 16 song show in Amsterdam, or some manager telling him to go record a solo album, whatever, get him there, he'll play guitar and never give it a second thought. He comes across as completely disconnected from his surroundings at worst, and indifferent at best. He just wants to chill and play his guitar, everything else he'll leave to others.
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Post by davi84 on May 2, 2023 12:53:14 GMT
My problem with Kirk's improvisation babble is that he doesn't improvise at all. Playing the same random guitar licks isn't the same as improvising.
In fact, most rock guitar players are pretty lame at improvisation. They're just lazy, but claim to have freedom, feel and passion.
Kirk is completely disconnected with reality IMHO, and he's just "too far gone to save".
We're better off enjoying this band without thinking too much about him or having unreasonable expectations about his work.
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Post by jorn on May 2, 2023 15:05:34 GMT
My problem with Kirk's improvisation babble is that he doesn't improvise at all. Playing the same random guitar licks isn't the same as improvising. In fact, most rock guitar players are pretty lame at improvisation. They're just lazy, but claim to have freedom, feel and passion. Kirk is completely disconnected with reality IMHO, and he's just "too far gone to save". We're better off enjoying this band without thinking much about him or having unreasonable expectations about his work. In their world, freedom means not giving enough thought and therefore, less stress. I can understand that actually. Let's be honest, most of us feel bored and sometimes do certain aspects of our jobs half assed. Rather than being creative everytime, we may be on autopilot as long as the job is done within the company standards. but I just don't want to see Kirk's lazyness or autopilot like this.
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Post by BMus1 on May 2, 2023 17:39:02 GMT
A lot of these riffs didn't strike me as great on my first few listens, but I've come around to them way more. Across the board they're more simplistic than the Metallica standard, but also more singable? I find myself humming the riffs of 72S and Shadows a lot.
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Post by Zalman on May 2, 2023 18:03:44 GMT
A couple of weeks in and the songs that get the most playtime for me are Room of Mirrors and Inamorata.
I think every song has at least one really strong moment, but many of them drag so much. Really wish they would have trimmed down songs like Sleepwalk, Shadows, Chasing Light.
Ironically, I feel Inamorata earns every minute despite being the longest song by far. Just an amazing composition.
Chasing Light has an incredible chorus. "Without darkness, there's no light" followed by the fast riff is top tier Metallica to me. But then after the second chorus they have the most forced transition on the album to an incredibly boring riff. Two minutes of nonsense. It drives me nuts that they were *this* close to gold.
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Post by davi84 on May 2, 2023 23:01:22 GMT
My problem with Kirk's improvisation babble is that he doesn't improvise at all. Playing the same random guitar licks isn't the same as improvising. In fact, most rock guitar players are pretty lame at improvisation. They're just lazy, but claim to have freedom, feel and passion. Kirk is completely disconnected with reality IMHO, and he's just "too far gone to save". We're better off enjoying this band without thinking much about him or having unreasonable expectations about his work. In their world, freedom means not giving enough thought and therefore, less stress. I can understand that actually. Let's be honest, most of us feel bored and sometimes do certain aspects of our jobs half assed. Rather than being creative everytime, we may be on autopilot as long as the job is done within the company standards. but I just don't want to see Kirk's lazyness or autopilot like this.  I can live with someone's autopilot mode once in a while, specially when the workload is too heavy. But living in complete autopilot when you release just 2 records during a 15y time span is just mental...
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Post by herodreamer79 on May 3, 2023 5:40:18 GMT
Nearly 3 weeks into the record- Sleep and Burn don't really get any play for me
the title track and Inamorata i pull out from time to time.. they have strong moments but overall they're just okay. I realize im a bit in the minority with Inamorata... but other than the 2nd half of the song the rest is just kinda eh for me.
I LOVE the other 8 tracks and i feel like they are here to stay for me. When i put the record on I have to listen to all 8. those are go-to songs for me
as far as kirk's solos...whatever. it's not a deal breaker for me.
I'm here for James Hetfield
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Post by jorn on May 3, 2023 11:32:20 GMT
In their world, freedom means not giving enough thought and therefore, less stress. I can understand that actually. Let's be honest, most of us feel bored and sometimes do certain aspects of our jobs half assed. Rather than being creative everytime, we may be on autopilot as long as the job is done within the company standards. but I just don't want to see Kirk's lazyness or autopilot like this. I can live with someone's autopilot mode once in a while, specially when the workload is too heavy. But living in complete autopilot when you release just 2 records during a 15y time span is just mental... agreed. Also just came across to this video. I didn't question its authenticity but seems like it is.
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Post by herodreamer79 on May 3, 2023 19:31:52 GMT
james on a radio interview i heard
JH: Vocally just trying to evolve as well... without losing the in-you-face growl. I think I hit a pretty good balance with that with the help of everyone else on the team here. It is pretty interesting when I try to do some vocal stuff, you know, something unique or more vulnerable and everyone kind of steps back like "uh-oh, what's going on here? I don't know what to do with this" (laughs) It's like, relax guys! I know what I do best, but I also want to evolve as a singer. So, there's a lot of give and take in there. Same with everyone's skill. The bass... I mean the bass on this record! Rob has done a fantastic job. [talking about including Rob and Kirk in the writing process.] Rob especially. That guy is so dedicated to this band, man. He knows the songs before I do! He is THERE and he is so positive all the time and bringing that into the room. And Kirk as well with his kind of out-there, spacey quirkiness (laughs) he'll all of a sudden, you know, mine some piece of GOLD... like DUDE! Where did that come from?! We have to use that!
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Post by Kimbo on May 3, 2023 20:18:44 GMT
A couple of weeks in and the songs that get the most playtime for me are Room of Mirrors and Inamorata. I think every song has at least one really strong moment, but many of them drag so much. Really wish they would have trimmed down songs like Sleepwalk, Shadows, Chasing Light. Ironically, I feel Inamorata earns every minute despite being the longest song by far. Just an amazing composition. Chasing Light has an incredible chorus. "Without darkness, there's no light" followed by the fast riff is top tier Metallica to me. But then after the second chorus they have the most forced transition on the album to an incredibly boring riff. Two minutes of nonsense. It drives me nuts that they were *this* close to gold. Honestly thereâs so much if this shit on this record, and it drives me crazy. The songs are still good I think, but in most songs there are completely useless sections which makes NO sense. Remove them and a good song would become a great or even amazing song. Thereâs literally unnecessary filler parts in each and every track. Chasing Light and Room Of Mirrors being the worst offenders. I donât know if they are trying to be clever instead of just returning to a part, but they fail big time. A song doesnât need weird parts to connect stuff together, just do it the easy and natural way so it flows. And I agree with Inamorata, that songs is the most well written of them all. Thereâs only one bad transition/annoying filler part, the rest is epic.
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Post by Kimbo on May 3, 2023 20:21:50 GMT
Oh and You Must Burn has fallen down on my list solely because of Larsâs extreme overuse of snare. And because itâs SO FUCKING LOUD, I cannot ignore it. It makes me kinda sad because itâs really one of my favourite songs but that snare almost makes my head hurt :(
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Post by SicJes on May 3, 2023 20:45:26 GMT
The snare abuse doesn't bother me, I tune it out. But every time he does a little snare fill, it reminds me of The Sisters of Mercy or those 80s bands that used a drum machine with the same snare fill all over every song.
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Post by Kimbo on May 3, 2023 21:09:24 GMT
The beat is stupid, but I can accept it. The ending though. My god, how is it possible to produce 20 snare fills within 1 minute. To me complete snare abuse
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Post by SicJes on May 3, 2023 21:11:12 GMT
If One was released today...
"What the fuck is he doing at the end of the song with all those snare fills?"
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Post by BMus1 on May 3, 2023 22:22:44 GMT
If One was released today... "What the fuck is he doing at the end of the song with all those snare fills?" You made me realize how much the volume of the drums is the issue versus the snare fills themselves. The tone of the snare helps too. A tight machine gun sounding snare works way better in One than a giant black album sorta snare that we have on all the newer Metallica recordings
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Post by SicJes on May 3, 2023 22:46:09 GMT
Sad But True's bread and butter is also those stupid snare fills, with the black album snare.
"That's just his "vocabulary" man."
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Post by yepsure on May 4, 2023 1:07:19 GMT
Iâm still loving this album and find myself listening to it from start to finish. Iâm not putting on specific songs I want to hear, Iâm really enjoying it the whole way through.
I donât find myself getting annoyed by snare, the shit solos, bad transitions etc⌠Iâm just able to just enjoy the whole thing. Something Iâm not able to do with any other post-Black album.
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Post by SicJes on May 4, 2023 1:27:40 GMT
I gave the album a week off with a few songs getting a random spin. This evening I played the whole thing twice back to back. I still love it. Still sounds great. Even Sleepwalk isn't so bad anymore. I wonder album we would have gotten if there was no pandemic. Most of the riffs were already there, but the situation brought out these songs. Weird to think about. Or, if the universe had already written them, would they have come out exactly the same đ¤
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Post by ModerusPrime on May 4, 2023 2:49:23 GMT
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Post by BMus1 on May 4, 2023 14:34:32 GMT
Saw a couple posts on Reddit today of people saying their favorite songs were my least favorites (Sleepwalk, Light, Mirrors). I'm loving the diversity of opinions on these songs, and it's cool how a few songs haven't risen to the top of everyone's lists mostly unanimously besides Inamorata (I know some aren't fans of it either).
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Post by Awake on May 4, 2023 15:03:23 GMT
Sleepwalk my life away is my favorite and Room of mirrrors my least favorite.
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Post by Prometheus426 on May 4, 2023 15:08:22 GMT
I gave the album a week off with a few songs getting a random spin. This evening I played the whole thing twice back to back. I still love it. Still sounds great. Even Sleepwalk isn't so bad anymore. I wonder album we would have gotten if there was no pandemic. Most of the riffs were already there, but the situation brought out these songs. Weird to think about. Or, if the universe had already written them, would they have come out exactly the same đ¤ Did the same today, only skipped You Must Burn, got a real Load vibe in places and Beyond Magnetic.
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Post by BMus1 on May 4, 2023 15:31:34 GMT
You Must Burn, Lux, Crown, TFG, and Inamorata are my top 5.
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Post by SicJes on May 4, 2023 17:05:58 GMT
I find myself going back to the slower, sludgy ones more so than the Thrashers. Just the mood I've been in, but I could listen to Crown, Burn, Inamorata all day on repeat, and have been all day today âşď¸
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Post by ModerusPrime on May 4, 2023 17:16:37 GMT
My faves I'd say are Darkness, Crown, Mirrors, Inamorata, and Sleepwalk/Burn(tie)
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Post by Zalman on May 4, 2023 17:31:30 GMT
My top 5: 1. Inamorata 2. Room of Mirrors 3. 72 Seasons 4. Lux Ăterna 5. Too Far Gone?
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Post by SicJes on May 4, 2023 17:59:40 GMT
My Top 5 for today
Burn Mirrors Inamorata Shadows Follow Chassing Light
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