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Post by Alan-P on Apr 26, 2023 7:22:45 GMT
Too far gone solo...  |
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Post by BigBunny on Apr 26, 2023 8:30:13 GMT
I am really enjoying this album, I think it flows better than Hardwired. there are no fillers each song is as good as the one before it, I think I like it better than Hardwired 👍
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Post by yepsure on Apr 26, 2023 9:24:00 GMT
Holy shit Rob nailing the back up vox. What an awesome live song this is turning out to be...from one performance each, both 72 Seasons and If Darkness Had A Song are fucking killer live and are better than Lux live, which I never would have guessed from the studio versions
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Post by jackers on Apr 26, 2023 9:47:09 GMT
The "Wrath of Man" is clearly from the tape. Also James's vocals seem to be prerecorded.
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Post by yepsure on Apr 26, 2023 9:50:30 GMT
That's Rob, and Het's vocal delivery is often completely different to the album.
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Post by jackers on Apr 26, 2023 9:54:24 GMT
I'm not saying that Het vocals are from the album, they are clearly not. But they are not "live" from that performence.
And I don't know how you can listen to Metallica for all these years and don't recognize that it is James's voice it that "Wrath of Man" part. Also few times it is obvious when Rob's mouth is not synchronized correctly.
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Post by yepsure on Apr 26, 2023 10:16:54 GMT
So you're suggesting for the first time in Metallica's career, they perform a song with a backing track for vocals, and Hetfield is lip syncing to his own vocal performance that was recorded back stage or something, and Rob is lip syncing to Hetfield back up vocals also recorded back stage.
Just for this song. A debut live performance from their new album. Here's the full TV performance where also Sad and Lux were performed.
It sounds like Rob to me, he's just hitting the right notes...listen to the "man" part of the "Wrath of Man". It's Rob.
I guess we'll find out who's right at the next performance. Unless you think they'll always be performing it with a vocal back up track.
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Post by jackers on Apr 26, 2023 10:36:33 GMT
So you're suggesting for the first time in Metallica's career, they perform a song with a backing track for vocals, and Hetfield is lip syncing to his own vocal performance that was recorded back stage or something, and Rob is lip syncing to Hetfield back up vocals also recorded back stage. Just for this song. A debut live performance from their new album. Here's the full TV performance where also Sad and Lux were performed. It sounds like Rob to me, he's just hitting the right notes...listen to the "man" part of the "Wrath of Man". It's Rob. I guess we'll find out who's right at the next performance. Unless you think they'll always be performing it with a vocal back up track. Jeez, why so much malice? I hate to be the one who says that Santa does not exists. Yes I've seen this video of them performing 72s, SBT and Lux about 10 hours ago and I was actually blown away by it. It sounded perfect. Especially live debut. But it is a TV performence that was improved in postpro. When you watch it carefully you can notice that sometimes Het's mouth and expressions does not necessaary fit his vocals. They sound amazing almost studio like. I don't know if he recorded them seperately. Most likely they did couple takes of 72s and the editor put them together to get the best takes on specific parts that's why sometimes it "seems like" he doesn't sing what is being heard. So yes I'm probably wrong on this one. He might not recorded them seperately. But just like they have their live DVD's where they are combining footage from couples nights sometimes you can see in bad editing that the camera shot is from different take than the audio. It is most commonly visible in singing by mouth synchornization. As far as backing vocals. Listen I don't know what to tell you because it is painfully obvious. It is exact Hetfield voice on "Wrath of man" part from the album track. I won't differentiate James's voice from Rob's voice for you by explanation in written form. You just have to hear it. Also look how poorly it is synchronized by Rob's mouth at 3:50 and 4:02 in that 16 minute video. |
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Post by SicJes on Apr 26, 2023 11:03:04 GMT
That's not even them up there on the stage. It's clearly AI driven live deepfaked. Proberly some little Japanese guys up there in green suits.
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Post by yepsure on Apr 26, 2023 11:06:25 GMT
Sorry, I have no malice at all.
Maybe I'm just being naïve and want the vocals to be legitimate because if they're not we could be entering a new Metallica backing track live era which I am completely uncomfortable with.
Maybe I'm hearing it's Rob because I want it to be Rob... I dunno, as I said I guess we'll see at the next live performance.
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Post by jackers on Apr 26, 2023 11:11:09 GMT
I don't mean that they are going to be using backing track now. I'm saying that this is a TV performence and often times those things are touched up in post. In reality Rob probably DID actual backing vocals "live" but they just decided to replace them with a vocal track from album while editing the video.
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Post by Alan-P on Apr 26, 2023 11:33:13 GMT
From what I've heard so far... gotta say... kinda sucks...
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Post by davi84 on Apr 26, 2023 11:56:42 GMT
That's Rob, and Het's vocal delivery is often completely different to the album. I'm with jackers on this one. Rob is lipsyncing to a pre-recorded James vocal line. Maybe he wasn't lipsyncing at the time, but his vocals probably were so bad or so low in the mix that all we hear is the pre-recorded James vocals. This is also indicative that Lars is playing with a click-track on his IEMs, which explains the consistent tempo throughout the songs. Regarding James vocals though, I'm not so sure if they were post processed (I've only watched the 72S video), but I'm okay with it if that was the case. At the end of the day, it's just a TV show, not a live concert. |
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Post by BigBunny on Apr 26, 2023 12:27:17 GMT
it sounded like Rob to me 🤔
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Post by yepsure on Apr 26, 2023 12:29:30 GMT
You guys could be right, but I really think the "man" part sounds like Rob. But maybe it's a just because it could be an album sample pitch adjusted down to E flat that makes me think it sounds like Rob.
There are sync issues all over the place, shots of Lars mouthing the words to Het's lyrics that are not in time, shots of Het singing and Lars cymbal hits slightly out of sync, etc...then you have audible Rob backups in Sad But True, and slightly off pitch Het singing Lux chorus. If it is sampled I hope it's due to some TV sound guy going rogue and not a Metallica initiated thing, and also it's an odd choice to just sample that and not other parts, e.g. the Lux chorus. May be the real Rob back ups were just that bad so only they needed the sample treatment haha
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Post by jackers on Apr 26, 2023 12:35:54 GMT
Yeah I'm gonna take back that James' "prerecorded" vocal thing. He just sounds so so good it that 72s debut. And like I said there are few takes where his expressions and mouth doesn't synch with vocals quite right. My theory is that they did 2-3 takes of that performance and the TV editors just put them together with the best takes of each part. Also they cut out Rob's backing vocals and repleced them with studio vocal track. That I'm 100% sure about.
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Post by davi84 on Apr 26, 2023 13:04:31 GMT
Yeah I'm gonna take back that James' "prerecorded" vocal thing. He just sounds so so good it that 72s debut. And like I said there are few takes where his expressions and mouth doesn't synch with vocals quite right. My theory is that they did 2-3 takes of that performance and the TV editors just put them together with the best takes of each part. Also they cut out Rob's backing vocals and repleced them with studio vocal track. That I'm 100% sure about. Agreed 100%. |
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Post by BMus1 on Apr 26, 2023 16:29:51 GMT
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Post by davi84 on Apr 26, 2023 17:34:43 GMT
Wow, when isolated like this it does sound like Rob. But I guess we shall soon see the truth on the next live shows, since this kind of AI pseudo-separation of channels introduces so many artifacts that it may throw our judgment completely off. |
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Post by ModerusPrime on Apr 26, 2023 19:14:35 GMT
It's Rob. Quit being retarded. He did a fantastic job on the vocals.
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Post by BMus1 on Apr 26, 2023 19:28:06 GMT
It seems like James went back on not doing interviews for the album. This is a great chat.
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Post by Prometheus426 on Apr 27, 2023 13:10:06 GMT
The "Wrath of Man" is clearly from the tape. Also James's vocals seem to be prerecorded. You're right, Rob can't sing for toffee, something is fishy here. |
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Post by Prometheus426 on Apr 27, 2023 13:11:40 GMT
From what I've heard so far... gotta say... kinda sucks...  It's no master of puppets, but new music is still better than nothing. |
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Post by Prometheus426 on Apr 27, 2023 13:16:46 GMT
I didn't take it as directed at kirk when he said it...but i mean.. there's quite a bit of smoke there. James never made much of a secret about being more than a bit annoyed that kirk didn't have anything to contribute during hardwired. i remember when someone brought up the "lost cell phone" thing to him he sort of snickered and said something like "is that what he's telling people? ooookay" even saying "his riffs just weren't there" as in what he submitted wasn't up to par. then there's the whole fact that Kirk was not present during much of the "making of HW" sessions. i always felt there was a bit more going on here than what we know. now with kirk saying he gets frustrated with the way metallica works sometimes - even after getting credited for 4 songs on this record... i guess i could see why james might rip kirk a bit here - IF it is directed at him. I've always assumed that Kirk (and Rob) take a back seat when it comes to writing. They obviously contribute riffs and ideas but James and Lars write most of the stuff. |
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Post by tribeleader on Apr 27, 2023 14:39:52 GMT
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Post by jackers on Apr 27, 2023 14:46:42 GMT
support setup? I don't know even who is supporting but I would guess so
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Post by BMus1 on Apr 27, 2023 15:12:50 GMT
They might be taking Avi on the road to do some support stuff if they're playing acoustic songs?
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Post by Prometheus426 on Apr 27, 2023 15:29:52 GMT
Nothing Else Matters Elevator Version with Rob Singing. |
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Post by BMus1 on Apr 27, 2023 15:30:49 GMT
Oh wait that's Architect's keyboardist's video. They might have all the bands' gear out at once to do a line check.
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Post by tribeleader on Apr 27, 2023 15:36:27 GMT
Oh wait that's Architect's keyboardist's video. They might have all the bands' gear out at once to do a line check. Yeah. How didn't I realize before lol |
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It's no master of puppets, but new music is still better than nothing. 
