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Post by silentflames on Apr 2, 2023 16:34:20 GMT
James and Lars don't suck, they're just flawed like every other musician and person. And it's pretty clear the benefit that they get from having assistance and direction, whether it be from Cliff or Bob Rock or anyone else. The human element is a part of it too though; would they rather be making music in their handcrafted, ideal environment at HQ with their handpicked team, or with a team of people they don't work with as well in the hopes of making a thrash classic at age 60? Yeah, it's understandable in a way, but I wish they'd challenge themselves one more time. It's unlikley they will go through a phase of having someone in to shake things up as was the case with Bob Rock and Rick Rubin, in a way, at this point in their career. That is the predicament every ultra-successful person faces: how do you stay hungry when you're at the top with no foe that can challenge you. |
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Post by silentflames on Apr 2, 2023 16:39:08 GMT
Also money that mellow a person. It's hard to stay angry and hungry when living in a luxurious mansion.
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Post by GuybrushX McMurphy on Apr 2, 2023 17:28:29 GMT
How do you feel about the Halo on Fire structure? That's always struck me as one of their best structured songs, modern or otherwise, and I think a big reason why is because of introducing new and fresh parts still at the 5/6 minute mark, like Kimbo said 72S is lacking. That's a good reason as to why a lot of modern long Met songs sound more repetitive than older songs.
Yes, Halo on Fire was very well done and never sounds jarring or stitched together. Of course, since it has the Fade to Black / Sanitarium / One structure and just gradually builds, without ever having to work its way back to the original verse/chorus, it's a bit easier to pull off. There's still a lot that could have gone wrong though, and they managed to avoid that. Even the short clean, calm part they inserted right before the final crescendo/solo/outro is placed well and works flawlessly. Plus, it actually sounds surprisingly layered. Hardwired has several songs that flow well, Moth Into Flame being another one. It seemed like they had made a lot of progress in terms of structuring songs, but now 72 Seasons almost makes it seem like they are back in 2006 or something.
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Post by BMus1 on Apr 2, 2023 21:48:03 GMT
I think I'd put Lux at the same level as Moth and Halo. It's been out long enough for me to say it's near the top of my favorite modern Metallica songs. The structure and vocal melodies are 10/10.
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Post by SicJes on Apr 2, 2023 21:55:45 GMT
Lux is pretty cool, gets me pumped up every time. I'm not a fan of the happier sounding stuff, but I'll take a happy cohesive song over a riff salad doom and gloom tune in an instant.
We still have 8 songs to explore in 2 weeks. Chances are (please God 🙏) at least one of those will meet expectations.
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Post by silentflames on Apr 3, 2023 1:24:28 GMT
Lux is pretty cool, gets me pumped up every time. I'm not a fan of the happier sounding stuff, but I'll take a happy cohesive song over a riff salad doom and gloom tune in an instant. We still have 8 songs to explore in 2 weeks. Chances are (please God 🙏) at least one of those will meet expectations. Lux is cool because it's short and cohesive. Had they added some unnecessary stuff, it would have suffered from the same issues other songs are suffering from. |
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Post by SicJes on Apr 3, 2023 3:08:47 GMT
God bless the internet 😂 this is so random yet works.
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Post by BMus1 on Apr 3, 2023 4:25:25 GMT
Ugh, sometimes I sing "my biiiiitch" at the end of the choruses over that hi hat count. Now that I've actually heard it, I'm gonna be singing it every time. Fack
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Post by jackers on Apr 3, 2023 5:09:51 GMT
Ok, I don't like any out of the last 3 singles. I've listened to SS maybe 5 times in total. Same with IDHAS. I've listened to 72S twice and have no desire to listen to it again. It all sound very artificial and stock to me. I like the verses in 72S but that's about it. When he ends it with "THERE’S BREATHING OUT BUT NOT BACK IN" I really feel like they are building something uplifting and big, something like "ALL SINNERS, A FUTURE" prechorus in NTWD but instead they go into that horrible, horrible downer "STARING INTO BLACK LIGHT" prechorus.
I hate that I feel this way. I want to love it. I want to enjoy what possibly may be the last album of my favorite band. 8 songs left to hear. At this point just give me 2 songs that I'm gonna love and I'll be happy.
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Post by jorn on Apr 3, 2023 6:53:08 GMT
Ok, I don't like any out of the last 3 singles. I've listened to SS maybe 5 times in total. Same with IDHAS. I've listened to 72S twice and have no desire to listen to it again. It all sound very artificial and stock to me. I like the verses in 72S but that's about it. When he ends it with "THERE’S BREATHING OUT BUT NOT BACK IN" I really feel like they are building something uplifting and big, something like "ALL SINNERS, A FUTURE" prechorus in NTWD but instead they go into that horrible, horrible downer "STARING INTO BLACK LIGHT" prechorus. I hate that I feel this way. I want to love it. I want to enjoy what possibly may be the last album of my favorite band. 8 songs left to hear. At this point just give me 2 songs that I'm gonna love and I'll be happy. I don't share your sentiment on the new songs but I definately agree with that "staring into black light" bit. For me, it is one of the most boring riffs (or transitions) they have ever done. Are there any more reviews released in the weekend? |
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Post by Kimbo on Apr 3, 2023 6:59:27 GMT
Lux is pretty cool, gets me pumped up every time. I'm not a fan of the happier sounding stuff, but I'll take a happy cohesive song over a riff salad doom and gloom tune in an instant. We still have 8 songs to explore in 2 weeks. Chances are (please God 🙏) at least one of those will meet expectations. Agree. Lux is my least favourite style music wise, but when I hear it just feels a lot better. Because it flows better. There’s almost nothing that could be removed to improve it. If they had taken this approach with Darkness and seasons, omg, could have been EPIC. And it’s weird because I know that James prefers the shorter songs, he must not have much power left in the band towards Lars. I will be pissed if they haven’t cooked up some Dream No More type of song, they all seem to love that heavy stuff. |
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Post by silentflames on Apr 3, 2023 8:04:35 GMT
It's amazing that the mighty Het still succumbs to little Lars' indomitable will.
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Post by Prometheus426 on Apr 3, 2023 8:57:52 GMT
Strange so much criticism for Lars's drumming (hi-hat etc), i don't even notice it as long it's a decent beat, the guitars and vocals seem take over in their songs.
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Post by jayc on Apr 3, 2023 10:15:15 GMT
It's amazing that the mighty Het still succumbs to little Lars' indomitable will. I think you might be slightly confused there. Don't think James does what Lars wants unless it's what he (James) wants too. Documentary evidence over the years (even post rehab) bears this out. They just both think the songs they write are cool. They're not comparing stuff from now to stuff from 30/40 years ago. And let's be totally honest: none of us here can be objective when listening to new Metallica. No matter how much we say we are, the reality is that we are all, sub-consciously, using our fav. Metallica songs as a yardstick. We are. All the negative stuff is rooted in a place of "I don't like this" but if these songs were released by some no-name metal band I guess most of us would e more positive. But because we expect certain things from Metallica, then we are where we are. I'm not overly hyped by these new songs. I hope the album provides a more cohesive experience. Maybe I'm just pre-emptively being negative in case I don't like this album... I dunno. Love all the conversation here though. Keep it up. Fuckers. |
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Post by silentflames on Apr 3, 2023 10:26:57 GMT
It's amazing that the mighty Het still succumbs to little Lars' indomitable will. I think you might be slightly confused there. Don't think James does what Lars wants unless it's what he (James) wants too. Documentary evidence over the years (even post rehab) bears this out. They just both think the songs they write are cool. They're not comparing stuff from now to stuff from 30/40 years ago. And let's be totally honest: none of us here can be objective when listening to new Metallica. No matter how much we say we are, the reality is that we are all, sub-consciously, using our fav. Metallica songs as a yardstick. We are. All the negative stuff is rooted in a place of "I don't like this" but if these songs were released by some no-name metal band I guess most of us would e more positive. But because we expect certain things from Metallica, then we are where we are. I'm not overly hyped by these new songs. I hope the album provides a more cohesive experience. Maybe I'm just pre-emptively being negative in case I don't like this album... I dunno. Love all the conversation here though. Keep it up. Fuckers. Maybe it's not that black and white, but I remember James saying that he was always telling Lars that they needed shorter songs, and when Lars accepted that Hardwired would be a short song, it was happily received by James. At least that's how I recall the interview. Furthermore, there was an interview post-HTSD with James bluntly saying that at some point his frustration with Lars reached a boiling point and that he told his wife that this was it, he cannot continue with him any more. Watching the beautiful making of videos of songs clearly shows how much of a force and influence Lars has on the songwriting process overall including guitars, much more than James has on the drum parts. |
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Post by SicJes on Apr 3, 2023 11:43:03 GMT
Fuck it. I like 72 now, with all its "flaws" no issues anymore for me, I'll take it. Same thing happened with SS, I'm still not crazy about Darkness, but if it's playing in the background its alright.
For me at least, I need to just let these new songs breath a little before I go scorched earth on them. That's the part that bugs me. Other bands put stuff out, and I immediately enjoy it, or toss it aside, maybe revisiting it later. But with Metallica, I expect to be instantly blown away and anything less is unacceptable.
72 Seasons is like a really hot chick who has some extra fingers, or maybe is missing an ear or something. After a few beers...oh well, she's still pretty hot knows how to dance 💃🏼 and we are approaching last call with this band.
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Post by Kimbo on Apr 3, 2023 12:04:55 GMT
Also if you watch the behind the scenes stuff from the Lux video, Rob notices that the song has changed.
In my mind that is INSANE.
It basically means that each member is recording different parts and then someone (probably Lars and Greg) is copy pasting the final product together.
Imagine going to record a video of a song you helped create without anyone bothering to tell it’s been changed.
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Post by BigBunny on Apr 3, 2023 12:10:54 GMT
Aussies, if you pre order the cd online from JB Hi-fi you get a free tote bag 🙂
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Post by Kimbo on Apr 3, 2023 12:11:31 GMT
Fuck it. I like 72 now, with all its "flaws" no issues anymore for me, I'll take it. Same thing happened with SS, I'm still not crazy about Darkness, but if it's playing in the background its alright. For me at least, I need to just let these new songs breath a little before I go scorched earth on them. That's the part that bugs me. Other bands put stuff out, and I immediately enjoy it, or toss it aside, maybe revisiting it later. But with Metallica, I expect to be instantly blown away and anything less is unacceptable. 72 Seasons is like a really hot chick who has some extra fingers, or maybe is missing an ear or something. After a few beers...oh well, she's still pretty hot knows how to dance 💃🏼 and we are approaching last call with this band. Well it’s a strange thing, we expect a certain quality from the band, but at the same time we accept so much shit from them as well. If it didn’t say Metallica on these songs I would never listen to them again honestly. I make up so many excuses for them in my head that justifies the stuff they do and put out. And that’s fine, but like some else pointed out earlier in this thread, if you put aside your Metallica cap for a second then the reality just hits you right away. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Apr 3, 2023 12:13:03 GMT
That stood out to me as well.
Oh, we play it like this now.
Edit...referring to Kimbos post about Behind the Scene vid
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Post by SicJes on Apr 3, 2023 12:39:48 GMT
I wonder what was changed 🤔 did they chop out some extended riff o rama thing that dragged the song down?
Makes me think that Lux was a last minute song like Hardwired. Nothing wrong with that, just seems like maybe it was never jammed really on the floor. So if last minute Lars rearranged some parts, oh well, it works. Where as Rob says playing SS gets him pumped and has groove, so that one and others probably got the rehearsal treatment before hitting record.
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Post by BMus1 on Apr 3, 2023 13:59:47 GMT
I think you guys are reading into the arrangement thing a little too much. Rob references the doubled snare roll section before the last chorus, I believe referring to that as the part that was changed. The guitars in that section sounds a little copy/pasted (2:48, repeating at 2:51) and something like that would make sense to get changed during vocal recording. I can picture James going "what if the vocals extended over that riff, it'd just have to be longer."
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Post by heini92 on Apr 3, 2023 17:45:48 GMT
Inamorata is not an instrumental:  |
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Post by BMus1 on Apr 3, 2023 18:31:53 GMT
That same video also leaked track times. 72 Seasons: 7:39
Shadows: 6:40
Suicide: 5:30
Sleepwalk: 7:??
You Must Burn: 6:??
Lux: 3:27
Crown: 5:49
Chasing Light: 6:45
IDHAS: 6:36
Too Far Gone?: 4:34
Mirrors: 5:34
Inamorata: 11:30 |
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Post by SicJes on Apr 3, 2023 19:08:52 GMT
Sleepwalk has to be some sort of Halo/Unforgiven clean guitar parts song with that length 🤞
I know they said no ballads, but is Until it Sleeps a ballad? I'll take something like that.
I'm digging 72 much more now. It's moving up in rank from the 4. Darkness is still at the bottom, but now SS and 72 are fighting for first place 🤪
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Post by heini92 on Apr 3, 2023 19:35:38 GMT
Track times confirmed confirmed: |
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Post by Kimbo on Apr 3, 2023 19:46:31 GMT
There’s a song called sleepwalk my life away ?
That’s a horrible title
FYI - Inamorata means a persons female lover, on Japanese
Lulu part II
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Post by SicJes on Apr 3, 2023 23:03:50 GMT
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Post by BMus1 on Apr 4, 2023 0:02:10 GMT
I don't get the "too long" feeling from the title track, and it's the second longest track. That bodes well for major structural annoyances.
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Post by Wolfish on Apr 4, 2023 0:41:56 GMT
that "staring into black light" bit. For me, it is one of the most boring riffs (or transitions) they have ever done. Are there any more reviews released in the weekend? I actually like that black light line in itself and I've come tp appreciate the transition now, haha. It goes to show how different people are. There's a Metal Hammer review giving the album 3.5/ 5 stars, that's all I got to read. I'll stay away from reviews until I've listened to the album 3 times at least. I'm actually considering not watching the vids, just the audio. |
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