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Post by lightning master on Mar 30, 2023 20:39:47 GMT
Agreed, part of Metallica’s charm is that it’s these guys playing the music. I was listening to Bleeding Me last night and realized how simple and, on paper, boring it is based on the layering and the parts themselves. But you get James Hetfield playing that riff that kicks in the second half of the song and it’s utter perfection. The thing that many other similar metal bands lack that Metallica have loads of is really good vocal melodies. Bleeding me wouldn't sound as good by another similar band because of what you said And because the vocal melodies would probably be a lot less catchy/moving. |
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Post by BMus1 on Mar 30, 2023 20:43:48 GMT
Snippets for these songs might not be the way to go. I'm feeling negative about the new one because of how samey it sounds to some HTSD songs, but I already forgot that I prefer Screaming Suicide over Atlas lmao After listening to the 3 singles a bunch I don't think I have any qualms about the structure. For the album I'm predicting stronger lyrics and tighter structures than we saw with Hardwired, but at the expense of more simplistic playing and some recycled sounding parts. Hoping for a "Hardwired walked so 72 Seasons could run" sort of situation, but if the new single doesn't feel as standout-ish as Moth Into Flame was, I won't feel as confident. The intro is what plays when you get to hell |
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Post by lightning master on Mar 30, 2023 20:45:16 GMT
I don't know what it is, but I have yet to be amazed by any of these tracks. Like, I'm totally hyped up, but it don't get overly excited when hearing the songs. Cannot tell if it's just an age thing by now or if it's simply because the material is not as good. When I heard Moth the first time I was grinning all over the face and immediately wanted to listen to it again and again and again. After the first spin of 72 Seasons I went to Spotify and listened without video, midways through the song I had already dozed of and thought about other things. I hate that, I wanna feel like a kid again, and these songs doesn't do that for me. Maybe it's just not possible to achieve that feeling anymore. Agreed on everything you said here! |
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Post by Kimbo on Mar 30, 2023 20:47:46 GMT
Man I wish they would stop with the third verses, 1/100 songs needs those, it gets repetitive.
They should have gone from solo section and straight into the pre chorus or chorus.
That transition into the third verse is so bad, one of their worst ever.
I really like the fast bits, they really work, I wish they would have shortened the song and just kept up the pace
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Post by lightning master on Mar 30, 2023 20:52:31 GMT
The intro is what plays when you get to hell Haha, yup. That, or the part leading up to the machine gun part... |
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Post by Jayzon on Mar 30, 2023 21:07:52 GMT
Finally got to listen to 72 Seasons. That fucking hi-hat ruins the whole song for me. I can't concentrate on anything else other than that fucking sleighbell sounding piece of shit. Goddamn Lars. God fucking damn. What else I can remember from the song? Well, I like the chorus, the "Wrath of man" part. I like the solo, it's some of Kirk's best work in the last 20 years. But the main thing about this song - there are just so fucking many different parts! And they don't fucking blend together very well, either. There's material for 2 or 3 songs here. And the most infuriating part is, those parts are good! They just fit together like oil and water. The song doesn't flow like a coherent song, it sounds like a medley. It's not a horrible track, but to me, it's just eight-and-a-half minutes of wasted potential.
And that MOTHERFUCKING HI-HAT.
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Post by Prometheus426 on Mar 30, 2023 21:28:44 GMT
The intro is fuckin great...don't give a shit about the hi-hat/drumming.
This album seems to have a more laid back feel than the last two.
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Post by yepsure on Mar 30, 2023 21:29:25 GMT
After two listens - I like this song, lots of cool parts to it. Solo section is great, really great vocals. Yeah horrible transitions and super annoying high hat. But overall its really interesting and quite different for them. Lots of cool, weird stuff going on the guitars, odd time signatures...chorus is great.
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Post by BMus1 on Mar 30, 2023 22:24:34 GMT
Something about the groove in the verses feels so Load to me. This song kind of makes me think "what if they tried to really write a thrash song in 1995".
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Post by davi84 on Mar 30, 2023 23:57:22 GMT
After two listens - I like this song, lots of cool parts to it. Solo section is great, really great vocals. Yeah horrible transitions and super annoying high hat. But overall its really interesting and quite different for them. Lots of cool, weird stuff going on the guitars, odd time signatures...chorus is great. I like it too. After reading this topic I was expecting way worse transitions and several riffs that don't blend with each other, but I didn't notice anything that bad. The song flows alright to my ears, and it didn't even felt as repetitive as the last single. My only major complaint is that obnoxious hi-hat. I think it's the first one that won't have to "grow on me" for me to enjoy it. I liked it already on the first listen. |
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Post by BMus1 on Mar 31, 2023 1:36:02 GMT
You're telling me no one had the ability or idea to do this. Maybe add a pick scrape? A bass slide? Some reversed guitars for a sec?
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Post by Prometheus426 on Mar 31, 2023 2:46:27 GMT
There is that, its still kinda likable though, a 4 minute song? |
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Post by ford71V8 on Mar 31, 2023 2:49:42 GMT
Lars keeping time on albums like he is playing a gig has been an issue for me for awhile.
Lets be grateful he is not crazy for cowbell!
I stayed up last night to hear this new song....and I was disappointed it sounded like Hardwired (song), and then vagued out midway. But once I stopped looking at the visuals, literally shut my eyes, the song came to life. Need to do this more, just listen, lose the visuals.
My second listen was today and I really like this one a lot. At first I thought he was singing about a rubber man haha.
The song that still sticks in my head the most is the 1st one, Lux.
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Post by Kimbo on Mar 31, 2023 4:25:09 GMT
Thank god that I’m not the only one having issues with the hi-hat.
I don’t understand why James or Greg is not telling him to stop that shit.
Imagine having it on top of the creep or blackened riff, ALL the time. Or over the Orion baseline.
I just know I’m gonna get so fucking pissed when he ruins James and Robs epic moment in the instrumental. God dammit.
I’m not even that annoyed by his utter mediocre drumming and snare overuse, but this is just taking the shit on whole new level.
Dude has always been my favourite member, but now his egocentric behaviour and wanting to be the front figure of the band is really hurting their performances.
It was annoying on Hardwired but in this album it’s close to ruin the songs for me completely.
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Post by silentflames on Mar 31, 2023 4:42:31 GMT
Listening to the Black Album tour, god how much I miss Jason's backup vocals. Imagine him growling "Wrath of man" in 72 seasons, would elevate the song to higher levels.
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Post by griever77 on Mar 31, 2023 4:58:01 GMT
After a few listens initially of 72 this afternoon I wasn’t even half as excited as I was when I first heard Moth for the first time. Then later in the day I forget they even released a single today. I have to be honest, these singles have lowered my expectations greatly for this album.
However, I think that could help me with the album as a whole. DM and Hardwired were such good albums for me. I was up all night jumping between songs on hardwired when I first got it and had halo and spit on repeat for months. So my expectations for this new album was probably unfairly high. I really hope they have a couple great songs on this and get into some deeper and melodic stuff.
They have my support no matter how it turns out, but my excitement is pretty low.
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Post by silentflames on Mar 31, 2023 8:58:48 GMT
The more I listen to it the less the transitions make sense for me. The slower parts simply don't gel with the thrashy ones.
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Post by joeyr on Mar 31, 2023 9:07:53 GMT
My two cents-
Darkness and 72 seasons are great.
James vocals for a 60 year old man are fucking amazing. I actually think he sounds better here than on DM. Worried about how he’s gonna deal with it live though. A lot of the new songs have high vocal register, and we all saw the S&M2 Fixxxer performance, where he struggled a lot. But, it’s James Fuckin Hetfield. I am sure he’ll deliver.
Hi hat sucks. Drums in general are just so typical of what Lars plays. Lots of snare rolls, and loud hats. It is what it is.
Kirk has improved here, and I like his solo. It’s still not disposable hero’s or One levels, but it’s an improvement.
Rob’s bass is pummeling.
I must hold myself accountable and agree that I hear a lot of recycles riffs that mirror other songs, and they are certainly using a lot of metallica tropes when it comes to transitions to different sections.
But all in all, besides Moth and Soit, 72 is the most interesting song they’ve delivered in years. It’s fuxking very cool. James again, just does it for me. He is the talent man. That guy, is just awesome.
I am more excited for the album now after hearing 72 seasons, and Darkness has grown on me tremendously too.
Bring on May and Hamburg 🤘
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Post by SicJes on Mar 31, 2023 9:38:56 GMT
I have so many issues with 72 after a bunch of listens. One that really stings is the last couple of seconds. Where the song naturally should stop after the musical equation resolves itself, they go ahead and slap on that extra bar of "blah blah blah the wrath of man" to end the song. Another example of what works in a live setting with their extended punch and rollfest jams they tend to tack on at the end every other song live.
72 feels like Death is not the End or Volturus. Has potential, but still needs a lot of work before recording.
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Post by Zalman on Mar 31, 2023 17:56:21 GMT
Been listening to it a lot in the last 24 hours. Some thoughts:
- The intro is awesome. The bass is front and center for once. Yeah it's heavy on the hi-hat but it's very unique sounding for Metallica. I missed having a slow-build album intro like this so I'm satisfied.
- I love the main riff. It's similar to Hardwired but way more catchy.
- James sounds amazing on this. I think it's his best performance on the album so far.
- The "staring into black light" section is my least favorite thing about the song. It's so unnecessary. The song would flow better if it went straight from the verse to the chorus.
- The open-E transition in the middle is... very long. I don't think this needs to be there either. If it went from the second chorus into the solo I think it would've been more effective.
- Kirk's solo is good! I honestly have no issues with it. And I love the way it seamlessly goes into the dual harmony section, my favorite part of the song. Like James' vocals, this is Kirk's best work so far.
I think if they had shaved off about 90 seconds from this song it would've been a 10/10 top tier Metallica track to me. As it stands it's close. My complaints aside I still really like the song and I'm very pleased with it.
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Post by Awake on Mar 31, 2023 17:59:38 GMT
BREATH OF MEN!!!
The song is again about temptation (alcoholism).
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Post by heini92 on Mar 31, 2023 19:49:28 GMT
Four main points for me: Should have shaved of 90 seconds, vocals are unbelieveable, solo is excellent, hi-hat-Lars can fuck off.
Will stop listening to it before the theater night before release.
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Post by BMus1 on Mar 31, 2023 20:43:19 GMT
Been listening to it a lot in the last 24 hours. Some thoughts: - The intro is awesome. The bass is front and center for once. Yeah it's heavy on the hi-hat but it's very unique sounding for Metallica. I missed having a slow-build album intro like this so I'm satisfied. - I love the main riff. It's similar to Hardwired but way more catchy. - James sounds amazing on this. I think it's his best performance on the album so far. - The "staring into black light" section is my least favorite thing about the song. It's so unnecessary. The song would flow better if it went straight from the verse to the chorus. - The open-E transition in the middle is... very long. I don't think this needs to be there either. If it went from the second chorus into the solo I think it would've been more effective. - Kirk's solo is good! I honestly have no issues with it. And I love the way it seamlessly goes into the dual harmony section, my favorite part of the song. Like James' vocals, this is Kirk's best work so far. I think if they had shaved off about 90 seconds from this song it would've been a 10/10 top tier Metallica track to me. As it stands it's close. My complaints aside I still really like the song and I'm very pleased with it. Agree with everything here, it's grown on me a ton. I also like the little bit of ear candy this song gave us that the others have been lacking. The harmonies at 4:50 are unique sounding for Metallica, and the double tracked bass here and there is a cool tidbit. Just having a Metallica album open with bass (and hi hat) is awesome. |
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Post by SicJes on Mar 31, 2023 21:25:19 GMT
Last Friday I had part of my eyelid sliced off to run a biopsy. This morning I had reconstructive surgery on my eye. It was Hell and they sewed my eye shut for the next 6 weeks (I'm glad I didn't get tickets for the theatre premiere now😉
Anywho. My eye is bleeding all over the place and I've been on some really strong meds for the pain. First thing I did after getting home was putting on the video for 72 since the house was empty and I could crank that fucker. I'm high as fuck and it sounds much better today 😵 with all the drugs.
I still have a few issues but it is warming up to me. It's awesome, but just so close to being epic that I'm still annoyed 🤪
The squeezed in delivery of 72 Seasons gone! Or whatever that tagline is has a few to many syllables IMO for it to fit properly in that spot.
Anyways, my eye is bleeding everywhere. I will post a nice picture for you all in another thread, maybe a video. 😘
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Post by BMus1 on Mar 31, 2023 21:39:49 GMT
We should have a High + Metallica thread
Glad you’re in recovery!!
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Post by SicJes on Mar 31, 2023 22:15:15 GMT
Is there a term for that affect? Like an auditory version of beer goggles? I'm definitely getting trashed before I listen to the new album.
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Post by Wolfish on Mar 31, 2023 23:42:50 GMT
Hope things will get better, SicJes
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I liked the songs, some issues aside (hi-hat and transitions). All fours singles have replay value, Lux being the most cohesive.
I wondered in the official boards how James or Greg could let Lars get away with those annoying hi-hats everywhere, or how can't they not notice some intros or sections sound way too long/misplaced.
Anyway, I'll give the song now a third and fourth spin today.
BTW, from some interviews, reviews posted on the boards, it's offical:
- Inamorata is not an instrumental, it's 11 min. long
- No ballads
- Kirk sent 20-30 improvised solos for Lars and Greg to edit
- James will not be doing any press (except maybe the So What! one-on-one?)
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Post by silentflames on Apr 1, 2023 1:09:49 GMT
I really don't see the point of the "Staring into black light" part. Such an anti-climax, really mires the thrust that the song has.
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Post by Wolfish on Apr 1, 2023 2:45:40 GMT
What are people’s reaction to the intro ? I feel like it’s completely unnecessary and random. Again this has a lot of potential but it’s way too long and disjointed. Het’s voice is amazing though. Agreed. This song is my least fave of the four. |
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Post by griever77 on Apr 1, 2023 4:09:23 GMT
No ballads and more improvised solos. Come on man. I’ll wait to hear the full album before I get all disappointed, but after these singles, I just hope there’s some diversity and depth to some extent. I’m just not feeling it so far. It feels “stock.” Lux didn’t/doesn’t, but the rest are definitely getting that way. “It sounds stock to my ears!” I want the solos to have structure, purpose, and be deliberate. Bring us places!
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