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Post by SicJes on Mar 27, 2023 19:10:32 GMT
I love SS the most so far and can't wait to headbang along. It has that groove like Rob said that will kill live, like The End of the Line.
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Post by fistakiller on Mar 28, 2023 2:15:28 GMT
Sucks that that Rob song will never see the light of day. Such a waste of talent. |
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Post by GuybrushX McMurphy on Mar 28, 2023 3:02:24 GMT
In their defense, though...they sort of tried the aspect you defined with the collaboration with Lou Reed. From the musical point of view, it is one of their most unique and creative products. I am not talking about the vocals or the lyrical content but the music on it could be considered one of their boldest and most creative compositions.
Yes. For all of its faults, Lulu certainly has elements that I wish had been used on their own actual studio albums. Some of the compositions and arrangements are more ambitious and layered than what they tend to put on their regular albums these days, but they were mostly relegated to background music that didn't mesh well with the vocals. The mood on many tracks was quite somber and I'd like to hear more of that. And some of the riffs, like in Dragon or Frustration, are among the best ones they've written since the 90s. It would have been nice to see those being used in different songs, and not just played 128 times in a row behind Lou Reed's vocals. Also, for the first time since Garage Inc, the production sounded... professional. At least for the instruments, not so much for the vocals. The album was almost universally loathed, but - along with the Ronnie Rising medley - the production actually contributed to the hope that the next album might finally sound much better again, after the previous disasters.
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Post by Zalman on Mar 28, 2023 3:14:13 GMT
They have yet to write a better riff than the main ones from Dragon and Frustration, or a better ballad than Junior Dad. The unfortunate truth.
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Post by SicJes on Mar 28, 2023 4:12:04 GMT
I'm just super curious to hear Rob sing. I imagine he provided a recording with him singing something as a placement holder to guide James, and Greg said let's keep it as real as it gets. That's what I took from the interview.
Imagine him and James actually harmonizing together, properly recorded. Could have been meant for Avi to sing but they kept it as Rob as well.
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Post by jackers on Mar 28, 2023 5:42:46 GMT
They have yet to write a better riff than the main ones from Dragon and Frustration, or a better ballad than Junior Dad. The unfortunate truth. Haha that is so true. Parking lot riff was cool too. I'm a little bit annoyed of their talk of many gazillions riffs they have and then they put out things like Hardwired, Murder One or those recent singles. |
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Post by yepsure on Mar 28, 2023 6:44:13 GMT
They have yet to write a better riff than the main ones from Dragon and Frustration, or a better ballad than Junior Dad. The unfortunate truth. Haha that is so true. Parking lot riff was cool too. I'm a little bit annoyed of their talk of many gazillions riffs they have and then they put out things like Hardwired, Murder One or those recent singles. Especially because their writing process seems to be less about “how do we make a good flowing song out of this riff we love”, and more about “which of the other 500 submitted riffs can we join this one up to the easiest”… “ok riff #427 could work if we do a high hat count in or some pick stratches to stitch it in” Also this interview mentions a really cool bass section that Rob joins up with James on… which sounds really cool until it’s specifically mentioned there’s more high hat in the back ground. FMD… I know I should wait to hear it before I make judgement but I’m worried we’re getting a Lars counting on a high hat symbol solo album at this point. |
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Post by Awake on Mar 28, 2023 7:03:39 GMT
Rob sings on 72 seasons ...
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Post by jayc on Mar 28, 2023 8:18:33 GMT
I follow this forum since the late 90's, when it was still part of the official Metallica site Just for info: this is a fan set up forum and nothing to do with the OG Metallica forums on the official site. It was set up when the got rid of the old boards and everything became annodyne. I'm just super curious to hear Rob sing. I imagine he provided a recording with him singing something as a placement holder to guide James, and Greg said let's keep it as real as it gets. That's what I took from the interview. Imagine him and James actually harmonizing together, properly recorded. Could have been meant for Avi to sing but they kept it as Rob as well. It will be backing vocals or harmonies. Definitely not lead vocals. |
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Post by silentflames on Mar 28, 2023 8:30:36 GMT
They have yet to write a better riff than the main ones from Dragon and Frustration, or a better ballad than Junior Dad. The unfortunate truth. This could lead us to conclude that on their own in HQ, they're too comfortable in their own skin. There's no pressure to perform, no competition or peer to outclass. They need a no-nonsense first-class producer with them that wouldn't even mind being fired for being too honest. |
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Post by silentflames on Mar 28, 2023 8:35:07 GMT
Haha that is so true. Parking lot riff was cool too. I'm a little bit annoyed of their talk of many gazillions riffs they have and then they put out things like Hardwired, Murder One or those recent singles. Especially because their writing process seems to be less about “how do we make a good flowing song out of this riff we love”, and more about “which of the other 500 submitted riffs can we join this one up to the easiest”… “ok riff #427 could work if we do a high hat count in or some pick stratches to stitch it in” Also this interview mentions a really cool bass section that Rob joins up with James on… which sounds really cool until it’s specifically mentioned there’s more high hat in the back ground. FMD… I know I should wait to hear it before I make judgement but I’m worried we’re getting a Lars counting on a high hat symbol solo album at this point. Lars once spoke at a conference that in the past their biggest worry was where to eat and how to get by because they were penniless, riffs weren't so much at the the top of the priority list because they were so few that the arrangements took care of themselves. I don't think Hetfield became more prolific in his 50s than in his 20s, I think it's a question of recording every riff that comes to his mind while playing while in the past they had much higher standards while trying to make a name for themselves while worrying about being outshone by a new album of their peers. |
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Post by jorn on Mar 28, 2023 9:24:38 GMT
In their defense, though...they sort of tried the aspect you defined with the collaboration with Lou Reed. From the musical point of view, it is one of their most unique and creative products. I am not talking about the vocals or the lyrical content but the music on it could be considered one of their boldest and most creative compositions.
Yes. For all of its faults, Lulu certainly has elements that I wish had been used on their own actual studio albums. Some of the compositions and arrangements are more ambitious and layered than what they tend to put on their regular albums these days, but they were mostly relegated to background music that didn't mesh well with the vocals. The mood on many tracks was quite somber and I'd like to hear more of that. And some of the riffs, like in Dragon or Frustration, are among the best ones they've written since the 90s. It would have been nice to see those being used in different songs, and not just played 128 times in a row behind Lou Reed's vocals. Also, for the first time since Garage Inc, the production sounded... professional. At least for the instruments, not so much for the vocals. The album was almost universally loathed, but - along with the Ronnie Rising medley - the production actually contributed to the hope that the next album might finally sound much better again, after the previous disasters.
Again, brilliant analysis. Totally agreed. Both on the musical quality of some of those riffs and on the production. By the way, Junior Dad could have been considered a classic had it been on one of their albums. Powerful song. Especially the live rendition of it. And yes, Dragon and Frustration feature great riff work. To this day, I still give them credit for trying out such a bold thing. They just didn't care at all in true Metallica way. It's not just the content. They basically were a session band for whatever Lou Reed was going to bring in. This is delibarately giving away the control and we all know these guys have trouble with sharing the control with others. |
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Post by jorn on Mar 28, 2023 11:18:06 GMT
the jazz pianist he mentions, Hiromi, is a phenomenal talent. I am a big fan. I find it very cool that a member of Metallica collaborates with a legendary pianist like Hiromi Uehara. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Mar 28, 2023 11:18:07 GMT
I like it.
Gotta say Im a bit more pumped about this album after reading that Rob intrview
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Post by jorn on Mar 28, 2023 11:21:44 GMT
Yeah that interview hyped me more than anything.
This a bit longer version sounds very cool. Kinda like Garage Inc. vibes I'm getting with this one.
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Post by yepsure on Mar 28, 2023 12:13:35 GMT
I swear I am getting less hyped with every new song, clip, interview being released.
That clip above, even on first listen, it's already like we've heard it 200 times before, and you actually anticipate/expect it going into a half speed version, then a power chord version.
I'm trying to keep the hope up high and fight the negativity but man it's tough. Still hoping for some surprises.
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Post by Wolfish on Mar 28, 2023 12:23:09 GMT
I can't believe we're less than 3 weeks away. Something has to happen between now and the release date to fan the flames of suspense. It looks like the 4th single along with these So What! mag interviews with the band members should tide us over until the release date. |
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Post by BMus1 on Mar 28, 2023 13:09:02 GMT
I swear I am getting less hyped with every new song, clip, interview being released. That clip above, even on first listen, it's already like we've heard it 200 times before, and you actually anticipate/expect it going into a half speed version, then a power chord version. I'm trying to keep the hope up high and fight the negativity but man it's tough. Still hoping for some surprises. Kinda where I'm at. Most hyped for anything mid-tempo that it sounds like we're getting from that Rob interview.
Comparing these boards to the official forums is super funny though. The loud majority of Metallica fans are YEAH THRASH YEAH which I'm sure has to influence what the band wants to work on at least a little bit.
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Post by silentflames on Mar 28, 2023 13:16:15 GMT
I swear I am getting less hyped with every new song, clip, interview being released. That clip above, even on first listen, it's already like we've heard it 200 times before, and you actually anticipate/expect it going into a half speed version, then a power chord version. I'm trying to keep the hope up high and fight the negativity but man it's tough. Still hoping for some surprises. Kinda where I'm at. Most hyped for anything mid-tempo that it sounds like we're getting from that Rob interview.
Comparing these boards to the official forums is super funny though. The loud majority of Metallica fans are YEAH THRASH YEAH which I'm sure has to influence what the band wants to work on at least a little bit.
The genre of the songs isn't the problem; it's that they're a bit generic and predictable and being rated higher than they actually should for the sole fact that it's Metallica. Remove James from the vocals, and publish the songs online not as a completely new band but as Exodus, Anthrax, or Megadeth, and you'll notice a number of the approbators have tuned to castigators. |
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Post by Kimbo on Mar 28, 2023 14:25:53 GMT
the jazz pianist he mentions, Hiromi, is a phenomenal talent. I am a big fan. I find it very cool that a member of Metallica collaborates with a legendary pianist like Hiromi Uehara. Yeah and it’s a freaking awesome performance. |
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Post by davi84 on Mar 28, 2023 14:34:32 GMT
I follow this forum since the late 90's, when it was still part of the official Metallica site Just for info: this is a fan set up forum and nothing to do with the OG Metallica forums on the official site. It was set up when the got rid of the old boards and everything became annodyne. I'm well aware of that, but to me it always seemed like this was the true old forum, since many of you guys that posted in the original forum just migrated from that to this one. I've deliberately chosen to follow this one instead, since the official one is just a mess... That was what I meant. I just wanted to say I'm here reading your posts even before this forum existed. |
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Post by davi84 on Mar 28, 2023 14:36:35 GMT
I swear I am getting less hyped with every new song, clip, interview being released. That clip above, even on first listen, it's already like we've heard it 200 times before, and you actually anticipate/expect it going into a half speed version, then a power chord version. I'm trying to keep the hope up high and fight the negativity but man it's tough. Still hoping for some surprises. Exactly the same here. |
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Mar 28, 2023 15:00:54 GMT
You know what. The more I hear more of this album the more I think the issue isn't with structure, riffs, or songwriting. I think the issue is Lars. Even on Hardwired and Death Magnetic, it seemed like his drumming and his arrangements popped out. This sounds 'stock'. I think he is the one too comfortable in his own skin. The riffs and the songwriting is what I like about these songs, not the arrangement or the structure. It's clear to me now after listening to that snippet of the new song. It's the same thrash pattern he used in the last album. I hope to God I'm wrong, but it ain't looking good for the home team.
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Post by Prometheus426 on Mar 28, 2023 15:44:10 GMT
I like it. Gotta say Im a bit more pumped about this album after reading that Rob intrview It sounds like a hybrid between Hardwired and That Was Just Your Life. Not great. |
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Post by Zalman on Mar 28, 2023 15:54:34 GMT
I'll be positive this time and say I like the snippet. Sounds cool to me. I hope the song as a whole delivers.
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Post by SicJes on Mar 28, 2023 16:25:45 GMT
I can't wait for the part in this new song when the double bass kicks in over that Hardwired riff 😉 you know it's coming, and then the solo starting with wah over the halftime version before kicking back into the thrash beat version.
What are some boomer words that rhyme with Season? There's the chorus, with a stop and hi-hat while James shouts one of these.
72 Seasons! What are the Reasons! Riff
72 Seasons! Gonna hang me for Treason! Riff
Stupidity asides, I'm pumped 👍
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Post by BMus1 on Mar 28, 2023 16:39:47 GMT
Snippets for these songs might not be the way to go. I'm feeling negative about the new one because of how samey it sounds to some HTSD songs, but I already forgot that I prefer Screaming Suicide over Atlas lmao
After listening to the 3 singles a bunch I don't think I have any qualms about the structure. For the album I'm predicting stronger lyrics and tighter structures than we saw with Hardwired, but at the expense of more simplistic playing and some recycled sounding parts. Hoping for a "Hardwired walked so 72 Seasons could run" sort of situation, but if the new single doesn't feel as standout-ish as Moth Into Flame was, I won't feel as confident.
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Post by Kimbo on Mar 28, 2023 16:39:49 GMT
I will say that Hardwired could have been a decent thrash spurt which I would have enjoyed if these aspect were better.
Better intro
Better main riff
Better breakdown riff
Better solo
The lyrics are not important in a song like this and the vocals are delivered with aggression.
This snippet has the better riff against hardwired but I’m sure it will be just as generic.
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Post by Zalman on Mar 28, 2023 16:47:13 GMT
Imagine if they released a ballad. You know, to spice things up. That would be nice.
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Post by BMus1 on Mar 28, 2023 16:59:03 GMT
Imagine if they released a ballad. You know, to spice things up. That would be nice. If there's one thing I'm optimistic about after that Rob piece, it's that Inamorata has the chance to be even 50% of the song Outlaw or Bleeding Me is. I'm not sure if my optimism got that from the interview, but I haven't heard a Metallica song described as "raw, but at the same time, it’s got this dark beauty to it". My gut is telling me this isn't a Spit Out the Bone or Dyers Eve. |
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