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Post by Awake on Jan 23, 2023 16:05:09 GMT
Metallica is my favorite band of all time and it probably always will be. There are definitely people who blindly hate everything the band does but you won't find those people here. When we criticize their work it's because we know they can do better. How do you know? They aren't the same as 40 years ago. |
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Post by Zalman on Jan 23, 2023 16:08:00 GMT
Metallica is my favorite band of all time and it probably always will be. There are definitely people who blindly hate everything the band does but you won't find those people here. When we criticize their work it's because we know they can do better. How do you know? They aren't the same as 40 years ago. Because their last album had some all-time classics. |
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Post by joeyr on Jan 23, 2023 16:09:54 GMT
I will never understand the amount of obsessive complaining when it comes to metallica fans. It is absurd! >> Have you never interacted with a Metallica fan before? Obsessive complaining (or praising...) is kinda what we do.
Yes, and I am just pointing out it's pretty shocking how overtly negative it is. I understand people do not like the new track, of course it is not up there with the classics that people have loved and grown familiar with over the decades, but I see people here complaining about the mixing decisions, the arrangement, the lack of gain on James guitar, lyrics… the list goes on. >> Well, people have opinions on lots of areas that they want to voice.
Opinions yes, are welcome. But I am only stating I find it very nit picky. My opinion. What qualifies you to say your knowledge of how you would mix this record is better? Why should you dictate the guitar tone James Fucking Hetfield decided on? >> Well I studied (but never graduated from) a Music Technology degree, have been in bands and recorded albums since the mod-90s. But none of that is relevant. Beacue, my issue with the mix or his tone is an OPINION based on many many personal factors of personal preference. That's how opinions work.
Of course. But I would assume the opinion and creative decisions made by the professionals were made for a reason and therefore, don't get the non technical ripping apart of specialist technical issues. But I know, as you said, people are entitled to their opinion. I am not disputing that. I just find the opinions to be overtly negative in tone, and not just regarding SS, on many Met issues over the years. I never see this with other bands. Log release an album, fans are happy. Rammstein release? Fans are happy. >> Looking forward to seeing your empirical data to back-up up this opinion (there's that word again...)- I read other forums. It has been like this on here for years, going back to 06 when I had my first account. It is so tiresome and I don’t understand the sense of entitlement of ripping everything they do apart. >> Hate to break it to you, but this is the official Metallica forums that you are referring to. Loko at the URL. You think Metallica would ever have a message board with that URL - ".boards.net"? This is a forum set up (many years ago) to provide a place for those to go who aren't a fan of the "Everything is awesome" vibe of the official forums. Feel free to head over there: forums.metallica.com/
I am not a fan of everything is awesome, nor do I think that one needs to be. Again, just expressing my reaction to what I see as overtly negative comments from people that I do not witness on other band forums to the SAME EXTENT. They will never release albums like MOP, AJFA, black again. That’s like expecting 80 years old Bob Dylan to release Blone on blonde pt 2 again. Not gonna happen. The expectations should be realistic. >> No one has said anything like that. We're not idiots. They couldn't release albums like that again if they tried. They're too far into their career and too rich from those kids who wrote those albums. None of us are expecting MOP2. What some of us are expecting, though, is for the band to release something that at least sounds exciting or engaging and not some cut and paste nonsense with the drums too loud. When I make reference to wanting a Load style album. the key word is STYLE. Not Load 2. But the same STYLE. Personally, I think the "thrash" songs they write now are kinds boring. Lyrics are kinda meh too. But again: OPINION.
Lots of people in this forum write about wishing they want MoP 2 so maybe your comment should be towards them. I understand wishing for similar stylistic approaches, and the weight of that expectation. But I think you as well as I know that many met fans wish they would make Black album 2.0, and have done so since the 90s. Many fans don't even consider albums beyond AJFA. Not saying this applies to you, but just pointing that out. Enjoy them while they’re still with us. 72 Seasons doesn’t have to be the album of the year. I’m just glad we’re hearing 60 year old metallica have a bit of fun and still feel the need to release music. >> Me too. You are mistaking personal critical opinion as hate. Not so. I love this band. Will do until either they are me shuffle off this mortal coil. I pre-ordered the new album. I have 3 formats of it coming in April. Have all the deluxe box sets. Spent thousands of vinyl and CDs and gigs and t-shirts and shit. I'm glad they're still here and wanting to make new music rather than just touring the hots all the time. But that doesn't mean that I have to like everything they release. Nope. Again, I am commenting on how I think in my opinion (that word you seem to love) people are insanely negative to the point of moaning.
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Post by Awake on Jan 23, 2023 16:16:48 GMT
How do you know? They aren't the same as 40 years ago. Because their last album had some all-time classics. But also some filler. Maybe they kept the best for last. |
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Post by tribeleader on Jan 23, 2023 16:56:48 GMT
How do you know? They aren't the same as 40 years ago. Because their last album had some all-time classics. Singles were not the best songs on the album. So I say we shall wait... |
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Post by Awake on Jan 23, 2023 18:34:51 GMT
Because their last album had some all-time classics. Singles were not the best songs on the album. So I say we shall wait... Agreed. Spit out the bone and Dream no more weren't singles. |
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Post by SicJes on Jan 23, 2023 19:47:47 GMT
Did we ever find out what happened to the original Atlas Rise video?
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Post by yepsure on Jan 23, 2023 23:25:05 GMT
Opinions on music are not “complaints”. If you can’t handle people expressing their opinions about Metallica music that’s not just blind praise then I’d suggest Metallica internet forums are not for you. Especially this one. You must live a pretty sheltered life if you’ve never seen people on the internet express negative opinions about other bands or art in general. Ever read a review? Or watched an interview with a musician? Read an article about music? Visited IMDB and looked at user rating? Watched coverage of any single sport in the world with commentary? Read the comments on a YouTube video of a bands live performance? Actual spoken to a human being face to face about a movie, album, song, TV show? Someone saying they don’t like James Hetfield’s guitar tone on a new song doesn’t mean they hate James Hetfield, or think they know better than James Hetfield, or that they’re going to write a letter of complaint to Metallica about James Hetfield’s guitar tone, it just means they don’t like James Hetfield’s guitar tone on that particular song. It’s ok if people don’t like something you like. I understand the points you make, but with Metallica fans I sometimes fine the sense of self entitlement to shit on everything is more extreme that I witness in ornater band fan groups in my opinion. As I mentioned, I was on this forum in 06 for a number of years and then left. I am aware of how it is here. My sheltered life as working as a music producer, music analyst, educator, film composer and artist is very open to the idea of critique, thank you very much ;) I have no problem with critique. What I see here is simply comments of unrealistic expectations (mop2.0, its not the black album etc) placed on a band of artists who are entitled to change and do whatever they see fit. I am not arguing that people should like everything they release. I certainly don't (Don't have much time for DM, Reload or KEA for example). I am simply commenting that Metallica fans community seem to shit on their supposed favourite band more than other fans do. And I understand it is their right to do so. It just blows my mind. They are artists. They eb and flow through different styles. My point wasn't about people liking or hating something I like. It is just about the constant false expectation and bitter overtones I see. But, as you said; people are entitled to do that. And I get that! As Jayse pointed out this isn't the official Metallica forum, this one was created by a grumpy fan for all of us grumpy fans to be grumpy together after the official forums went in a different direction. You'll see a lot more positivity over on the official forums - forums.metallica.com/With that said, I actually don't see anyone here expecting another Master of Puppets or Black album or anyone acting entitled. Why don't even agree here on what our favourite songs and albums are. There's even one guy here who thinks Hardwired is the best song Metallica ever written. We each talk about what we like and dislike. Metallica has had so many different forms, styles and sounds over the years, so naturally when the prospect of new Metallica music comes up we all have an idea in our heads of what we're hoping for (e.g. a guitar sound that's like The Black Album, another Outlaw-esq epic, etc...), and often thoses hopes are reactions to what the band delivered previously...(e.g. we hope the snare isn't as loud and overbearing on this next album, we hope there's a bit less filler and more creativity, etc...). The negative opinions and disappointed reactions aren't out of entitlement. We're all grateful Metallica are releasing new music and usually with us expressing what we don't like about the new music, we're also expressing what we do like about it. The reactions are out of love for a band who have delivered for us in so many different ways in the past, seemingly continue to incorporate the things we all personally in our own minds perceive to have been negatives over the last couple of albums. And those things are different for all of us. This latest new song has grown on me quite a lot. I actually enjoy listening to it now, but that still doesn't mean I like that the snare drum is louder than the vocals. Or that it's seemingly just a fairly generic/safe middle of the road song musically, landing similar to a lot of the tracks on HWTSD. Or that, like with DM and HWTSD, the song seems pieced together and disjointed, where they use all the same tricks to join it together as they have with most other songs over the last two albums. I'm looking forward to and excited to hear what else is going to be on the album, I'm sure there will be a couple of stinkers I hate and a couple of songs I love. The main thing I now hope for is that it's not all "samey" sounding - these first two songs are fairly similar. Throw some Mama Said/Low Man/NEM type songs in, a thrasher, an epic, an instrumental, a mid tempo radio rocker, a slow and heavy like a Sad / Harvester. Let's see. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Jan 23, 2023 23:38:12 GMT
I dont recall ever seeing anyone here want for a MOP2 or Black Album 2.
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Post by tribeleader on Jan 23, 2023 23:58:19 GMT
After a few listens I give SS a solid 6/10. Not because it's a bad track but because Metallica made some other tracks that are at the top of their game. I can give examples starting from RTL to HTSD. Even Load, Reload, and St. Anger have those masterpieces. Listening to SS feels like listening to Phantom Lord or Trapped Under Ice, nothing bad but nothing breathtaking either.
I'd like to see more of what they were going for in the latest years like the S&M2 version of AWMH, the newest version of NEM from the movie, or like those fresh covers of Borderline and It's Killing Me but I guess they are going for more NWOBHM sound this time. Lux and SS don't have that 'menacing' sound like Hardwired or Moth Into Flame. However, just two singles are not enough to make a judgment. Imagine they released ManUNkind as a single in 2016. How entertaining it would've been.
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Post by SicJes on Jan 24, 2023 0:26:33 GMT
I really doubt there will be 10 more "NWOBHM" style songs on this album. These 2, plus another if we get one before April, have a fun lively sound that I'm sure is intentional as releases to get the tour machine rolling. It's a big summer stadium tour which was probably already being worked out as the album was being written. They probably have some sick killer tracks cut and pasted together that won't get played live because they got to save that gas for MOP etc. So, a few songs written that they enjoy and are not the biggest workload to pull of live was probably intentional.
I have no issues with the 2 tracks anymore, and can't wait to see them live. They're not the best songs in the catalog, but they are The best songs that they've put out in the last five years 😉
I put on SS this morning and the wife strolled into the kitchen, she hasn't heard it yet and is a casual fan through my fandom. She was like "What the fuck is wrong with his voice?" And then walked out saying fuck this shit LoL.
We are entering a new era of James vocals. These tracks are really gruff, like he has been smoking for years.
I'm ok with them, they took a bit of getting used to, all the live shows we've watched the past few years has eased the shock that someone like my wife might have to the new sound of the vocals.
I can see the beginning of recording going a bit sour as James feels self conscious about his age and all that, and then the other guys saying that he sounds really cool, like Lemmy or something, and that he needs to embrace the reality of being old, but still rocking. Once James embraced it, I'm sure he went full throttle.
KEA - no pubes, just acne
RTL and MOP - got balls now, look at me
Justice - I'm so tough
90s - I'm a man now, and I can croon your panties off.
St Anger - Who am I? I'm a fucking mental case
DM - Hardwired - Aged like fine whiskey with big hairy balls.
72 Seasons - coughing up dust at 100 miles an hour.
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Post by Overkill on Jan 24, 2023 0:53:02 GMT
I dont recall ever seeing anyone here want for a MOP2 or Black Album 2. Saint Anger 2 FTW |
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Post by jackers on Jan 24, 2023 4:05:42 GMT
Ok my turn.
Musically I don't like Screaming Suicide. For my taste it may very well be their worst single that they've released since DM. I appreciate the subject matter though. And James vocals sound amazing to me.
On the other hand I like Lux Aeterna more and more. To the point that I actually love it.
Still very excited about album.
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Post by Kimbo on Jan 24, 2023 7:08:22 GMT
Well done JayC and Yepsure, you covered it all.
And my reactions might sound negative, but I was probably one of the first in the entire world to obtain legacy tickets for a full weekend in Germany. It’s just pure passion, nothing to do with hate.
That said SS still sucks :P Nah I’m just kidding, I think it’s one of those songs that will fall into place when we have listened to the album as a whole a few times. I LOVE the verse btw.
The best thing about SS though, is that I like Lux more and more when I’m hearing the two in a row. It’s weird and I can’t explain it, but when it starts I just get pumped up. I haven’t really had that feeling before only listening to Lux.
And one last thing, I love it when people changes their opinions after multiple listens and owns in to it. There’s no rule that your first impression should be written in stone.
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Post by BMus1 on Jan 24, 2023 7:29:33 GMT
It’s just pure passion, nothing to do with hate. Bam. |
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Post by Awake on Jan 24, 2023 9:07:08 GMT
'Listen well, better listen well' not really 'feeling' that line. EDIT: see? I can analyse too  |
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Post by jayc on Jan 24, 2023 9:49:44 GMT
KEA - no pubes, just acne RTL and MOP - got balls now, look at me Justice - I'm so tough 90s - I'm a man now, and I can croon your panties off. St Anger - Who am I? I'm a fucking mental case DM - Hardwired - Aged like fine whiskey with big hairy balls. 72 Seasons - coughing up dust at 100 miles an hour. I love ALL of this. |
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Post by tribeleader on Jan 24, 2023 12:04:52 GMT
Ok my turn. Musically I don't like Screaming Suicide. For my taste it may very well be their worst single that they've released since DM. I appreciate the subject matter though. And James vocals sound amazing to me. On the other hand I like Lux Aeterna more and more. To the point that I actually love it. Still very excited about album. Yes, Lux pumps me up just like Fuel, maybe even better. It's so fun to play drums too. |
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Post by yepsure on Jan 24, 2023 12:38:32 GMT
That bridge section after the shitty solo, where there is some bridge verse thing kicks in that ends in “telling you you’re left behind” is fucking awesome and so is the lead lick that Kirk plays. Then it leads into the spoken section. So good.
Ok fine I like this song now.
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Post by SicJes on Jan 24, 2023 12:41:49 GMT
The best thing about SS though, is that I like Lux more and more when I’m hearing the two in a row. It’s weird and I can’t explain it, but when it starts I just get pumped up. I haven’t really had that feeling before only listening to Lux. Exactly, the 2 together energize eachother. Lux feels way faster after listening to SS. I really hope that the first to 2 tracks to open the album are not released. They must be some real bangers, and 72 Seasons, the song, is the first track and album title, this is very intriguing. I can't see them using a crappy "Free Speech for the Dumb" style, in and out thing to name, and base the theme of the entire album. It must be some crazy ass, epic piece, with all kinds of different things going on if it follows through with the explanation we were given. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Jan 24, 2023 13:07:06 GMT
'Listen well, better listen well' not really 'feeling' that line. EDIT: see? I can analyse too  Haa  That little hooky vocal is the one that sticks in my head. |
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Post by Zalman on Jan 24, 2023 18:13:21 GMT
The breakdown around the 4-minute mark followed by the spoken section is the best part of the track. Honestly it's really good. The song has some qualities for sure.
I also don't mind Kirk's playing here. It's at least semi-inspired unlike whatever the heck he did on Lux Æterna.
The more I think about it, it's the chorus that takes the energy out of the song for me. Which is a shame since a chorus is kind of supposed to do the opposite.
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Post by Prometheus426 on Jan 24, 2023 18:17:41 GMT
The breakdown around the 4-minute mark followed by the spoken section is the best part of the track. Honestly it's really good. The song has some qualities for sure. I also don't mind Kirk's playing here. It's at least semi-inspired unlike whatever the heck he did on Lux Æterna. |
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Post by Awake on Jan 24, 2023 18:44:47 GMT
At first listen I loved the song but now I think it sucks. It is boring, uninspired and bland.
EDIT: wrong forum. I thought I was on the Megadeth boards.
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Post by Kimbo on Jan 24, 2023 19:17:45 GMT
The breakdown around the 4-minute mark followed by the spoken section is the best part of the track. Honestly it's really good. The song has some qualities for sure. I also don't mind Kirk's playing here. It's at least semi-inspired unlike whatever the heck he did on Lux Æterna. The more I think about it, it's the chorus that takes the energy out of the song for me. Which is a shame since a chorus is kind of supposed to do the opposite. They have become almost incapable of writing good choruses, it’s rather weird. There’s a few good ones on HW but most are pretty bland, even if the rest of the song is awesome. |
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Post by jackers on Jan 24, 2023 20:05:29 GMT
The breakdown around the 4-minute mark followed by the spoken section is the best part of the track. Honestly it's really good. The song has some qualities for sure. I also don't mind Kirk's playing here. It's at least semi-inspired unlike whatever the heck he did on Lux Æterna. The more I think about it, it's the chorus that takes the energy out of the song for me. Which is a shame since a chorus is kind of supposed to do the opposite. They have become almost incapable of writing good choruses, it’s rather weird. There’s a few good ones on HW but most are pretty bland, even if the rest of the song is awesome. Give me 2-3 killer choruses on 72 seasons and I'll be happy. |
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Post by Kimbo on Jan 24, 2023 20:07:34 GMT
They have become almost incapable of writing good choruses, it’s rather weird. There’s a few good ones on HW but most are pretty bland, even if the rest of the song is awesome. Give me 2-3 killer choruses on 72 seasons and I'll be happy. That would be very nice indeed |
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Post by Wolfish on Jan 25, 2023 3:06:59 GMT
The two songs, especially Screaming Suicide, do have replay value. That's a good thing!
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Post by SicJes on Jan 25, 2023 3:26:34 GMT
I listen to SS, then I want to hear Lux, so I play Lux. Lux makes me want to listen to SS again, So I listen to SS, then I want to hear Lux, so I play Lux. Lux makes me want to listen to SS again, So I listen to SS, then I want to hear Lux, so I play Lux. Lux makes me want to listen to SS again, So I listen to SS, then I want to hear Lux, so I play Lux. Lux makes me want to listen to SS again, So I listen to SS, then I want to hear Lux, so I play Lux. Lux makes me want to listen to SS again,
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Post by ford71V8 on Jan 25, 2023 4:57:38 GMT
This one had me laughing then sombre then enjoying it all....Justin rides again spartanmcdoodle |
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