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Post by BMus1 on Jun 9, 2021 13:22:42 GMT
The band actually ditched the drums in 2019, and didn't do them again for the live stream last Summer. So it's safe to say they're gone.
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Post by Wolfish on Jun 9, 2021 15:29:52 GMT
I've never been that fond of Cyanide. It sounds choppy, it doesn't flow well. It has to do with that "happy", bouncy part which doesn't gel with the heavy riff of the chorus.
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Post by SicJes on Jun 9, 2021 15:36:32 GMT
Cyanide is mega awesome fool!
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Post by Wolfish on Jun 9, 2021 16:38:46 GMT
I agree with Moth and Harwired to be staples, tho. But Cyanide... I like bits and pieces, not the whole song. Love Kirk's short solo, for example.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 16:47:57 GMT
lol, I think Kirk's solo is the worst part of Cyanide. Then again, I could say Kirk's solo is the worst part of most of the songs on that album.
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Post by BMus1 on Jun 9, 2021 18:55:33 GMT
I've never been that fond of Cyanide. It sounds choppy, it doesn't flow well. It has to do with that "happy", bouncy part which doesn't gel with the heavy riff of the chorus. I used to think it flowed a lot better than I do now. Hardwired (the album) really put into perspective how sloppy a lot of the songwriting was on DM, it gave a lot of great perspective, and also re-set the bar higher for the band. |
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Post by Wolfish on Jun 9, 2021 23:48:43 GMT
lol, I think Kirk's solo is the worst part of Cyanide. Then again, I could say Kirk's solo is the worst part of most of the songs on that album. Yes, Kirk's solos were hit and miss, with the exeption of, maybe, Unforgiven III, S&R and Day. As for Cyanide, I like the lyrics and the drumming, the second part of the song where James goes "Say, is that rain or are they tears?/That stained your concrete face for years..." is not too bad either, but on the whole it just doesn't sound right. |
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Post by Wolfish on Jun 9, 2021 23:54:44 GMT
I've never been that fond of Cyanide. It sounds choppy, it doesn't flow well. It has to do with that "happy", bouncy part which doesn't gel with the heavy riff of the chorus. I used to think it flowed a lot better than I do now. Hardwired (the album) really put into perspective how sloppy a lot of the songwriting was on DM, it gave a lot of great perspective, and also re-set the bar higher for the band. Replace Cyanide with Hell and Back and it's solid thru ad thru. DM is damn good but I feel there were still some traces of the St. Anger days here and there in the sense that the band was putting together pieces as in a puzzle rather than actualy making songs, as if resorting to Pro-Tools to write the songs. At least on a few cases. |
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Post by SicJes on Jun 9, 2021 23:58:26 GMT
Hell and back, besides the cool eerie, chill parts, is a horrible mess.
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Post by SicJes on Jun 9, 2021 23:59:51 GMT
If you took all the good bits from BM and stitched them together, you'd have something really fantastic.
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Post by Zalman on Jun 10, 2021 11:38:02 GMT
One thing I'll give DM over Hardwired is that I think it's a more consistent album. Disc 2 of Hardwired is a noticeable step down from Disc 1. And Hardwired could have used a ballad for variety.
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Post by Alan-P on Jun 10, 2021 11:50:39 GMT
One thing I'll give DM over Hardwired is that I think it's a more consistent album. Disc 2 of Hardwired is a noticeable step down from Disc 1. And Hardwired could have used a ballad for variety. Lose the solo from Manunkind and the entirety of Murder One and I think it's a solid back end to the album. |
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Post by BigBunny on Jun 10, 2021 11:58:42 GMT
Lose the solo from Manunkind and the entirety of Murder One and I think it's a solid back end to the album. Murder One is a b-side, I don't understand how it made the cut. |
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Post by Alan-P on Jun 10, 2021 12:01:17 GMT
Lose the solo from Manunkind and the entirety of Murder One and I think it's a solid back end to the album. Murder One is a b-side, I don't understand how it made the cut. You'd have thought a Lemmy tribute would have been bass front and center too |
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Post by BigBunny on Jun 10, 2021 12:05:28 GMT
Murder One is a b-side, I don't understand how it made the cut. You'd have thought a Lemmy tribute would have been bass front and center too with a bass solo  |
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Post by SicJes on Jun 10, 2021 13:01:13 GMT
And good.
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Post by Wolfish on Jun 10, 2021 15:20:25 GMT
Hell and back, besides the cool eerie, chill parts, is a horrible mess. Yeah, it's a tad better than Cyanide, tho, but it still reeks of the cut-and-paste feel that I was talking about; also the groovy/ "happy" riff and that eerie vibe just don't mesh well. The New Song suffered from that too. Either you go all the way groovy, or you go eerie/mellow, not both on the same song. |
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Post by Wolfish on Jun 10, 2021 15:27:11 GMT
One thing I'll give DM over Hardwired is that I think it's a more consistent album. Disc 2 of Hardwired is a noticeable step down from Disc 1. And Hardwired could have used a ballad for variety. Yes, the album needs a typical ballad. That said, I am keen on the second part of the record. I may be in the minority but I love ManUnkind and Am I Savage? and dig Murder One. For the next album I hope two things hppen: 1. Kirk steps up on the solos department 2. Lars stops using the cymbals to count before transitions. I can understand live but in the studio he could do without it. Sorry, I'm no musician so I lack the jargon or technical terms to describe that situation, but it sometims kinda kills the flow of the song, if you know what I mean. |
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Post by SicJes on Jun 10, 2021 15:42:24 GMT
It'd be awesome if the next record has Un4given, except instead of being another slow one like everyone would expect, it was a murderous rampage of a song with blast beats and super fast tempo to end the series.
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Post by BMus1 on Jun 10, 2021 16:12:28 GMT
2. Lars stops using the cymbals to count before transitions. I can understand live but in the studio he could do without it. Sorry, I'm no musician so I lack the jargon or technical terms to describe that situation, but it sometims kinda kills the flow of the song, if you know what I mean. So much this!!! You hit the nail on the head. DM & HTSD started a trend of Lars taking his live quirks and translating them directly into the studio and I still can't understand where it came from. Especially since he uses a metronome to record. The sleek production on HTSD made it a little less distracting but DM will never not sound like a demo to me, or at the very least rough mixes. |
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Post by BMus1 on Jun 10, 2021 16:14:42 GMT
One thing I'll give DM over Hardwired is that I think it's a more consistent album. Disc 2 of Hardwired is a noticeable step down from Disc 1. And Hardwired could have used a ballad for variety. I sort of agree with this but the last 3 tracks of DM really bring the whole album down. My Apocalypse is one of my least favorite Metallica songs of all time (hurr durr drums go fast) and S&R is way too long. Judas has cool sections but also suffers from the length issue that plagues the album, probably more so than any other song. Plus disc one of HTSD is as perfect as 21st century Metallica can get so it's a high bar. |
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Post by Zalman on Jun 10, 2021 17:00:26 GMT
One thing I'll give DM over Hardwired is that I think it's a more consistent album. Disc 2 of Hardwired is a noticeable step down from Disc 1. And Hardwired could have used a ballad for variety. I sort of agree with this but the last 3 tracks of DM really bring the whole album down. My Apocalypse is one of my least favorite Metallica songs of all time (hurr durr drums go fast) and S&R is way too long. Judas has cool sections but also suffers from the length issue that plagues the album, probably more so than any other song. Plus disc one of HTSD is as perfect as 21st century Metallica can get so it's a high bar. I agree on song length, especially Judas is just way too long. I've always had a soft spot for S&R though, even if it could have been shorter. The middle section in particular is great. My Apocalypse is weak but I still enjoy it more than Murder One and Am I Savage. But yeah, overall Hardwired definitely has higher highs. I just think Disc 2 could have really benefitted from a ballad or even an instrumental. |
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Post by BMus1 on Jun 10, 2021 18:38:14 GMT
I definitely agree with that. I liked Halo being an "alternative" to a ballad for disc one, but for a 12 song album disc two especially doesn't change the dynamics up at all.
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Post by yepsure on Jun 11, 2021 0:36:30 GMT
Hardwired is the worst song on the album and you guys want it as a staple. I don't get it. Cyanide is about 20 times a better song than Hardwired is.
Moth is great though and absolutely should stick around.
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Post by BigBunny on Jun 11, 2021 0:40:40 GMT
Hardwired is the worst song on the album and you guys want it as a staple. I don't get it. Cyanide is about 20 times a better song than Hardwired is. Moth is great though and absolutely should stick around. agreed about Hardwired, if and when MetallicA tour Australia I won't care if it's not played. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Jun 11, 2021 3:21:12 GMT
2. Lars stops using the cymbals to count before transitions. I can understand live but in the studio he could do without it. Sorry, I'm no musician so I lack the jargon or technical terms to describe that situation, but it sometims kinda kills the flow of the song, if you know what I mean. This surprised me when HW was first released. He has literally incorporated his live playing habits (necessary and dynamic on stage) into the studio songs. It doesn't annoy me but I do find it an unusual choice. |
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Post by Alan-P on Jun 11, 2021 5:28:13 GMT
Hardwired is the worst song on the album and you guys want it as a staple. I don't get it. Cyanide is about 20 times a better song than Hardwired is. Moth is great though and absolutely should stick around. Yeah, hardwired is removed from my Walkman thing, but so is the entire Death Magnetic album |
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Post by Awake on Jun 11, 2021 6:17:06 GMT
My favorite songs are Dream No More and Spit Out The Bone. Moth into flame got ruined for me because I always 'hear' Lady Gaga.
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Post by BigBunny on Jun 11, 2021 6:28:45 GMT
My favorite songs are Dream No More and Spit Out The Bone. Moth into flame got ruined for me because I always 'hear' Lady Gaga. Gaga's good, boooooo booooo  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2021 6:34:57 GMT
My favorite songs are Dream No More and Spit Out The Bone. Moth into flame got ruined for me because I always 'hear' Lady Gaga. That might have been the case for me but I shut it off real quick and don't remember it. Will never listen again. Don't like that they did it either. Fuck mainstream pop, Metallica should be doing nothing but pulling metal bands up until they are done. They should also make a Metallica festival that lives long after the are done and dead. Metfest/Metallifest should be a thing. Remember Ozzfest? Why doesn't Metallica do that? They have more power than Ozzfest ever had. Pretty disappointed in them that they haven't been the bigger guiding light for 'metal' that they should be. |
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