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Post by ModerusPrime on Apr 15, 2023 18:37:55 GMT
It was like a glitched out version of Pong.
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Post by herodreamer79 on Apr 15, 2023 18:42:59 GMT
I'm glad I didn't go to the theater. looks like the videos really fucked with people's first impressions of the songs.
that kind of happened to me a little bit with hardwired and it's still the first thing i think of when i hear some of those songs.
that's a no go for me.
this time i'm avoiding them all together.
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Post by Prometheus426 on Apr 15, 2023 18:51:44 GMT
Too Far Gone? has really grown on me, what a great song!  Still don't like Chasing Light and You Must Burn Though.  |
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Post by warhorsewarhead on Apr 15, 2023 19:00:05 GMT
It sounds fine. It has lots of riffs, but almost none are memorable. I really don't think the band are being pushed hard enough to self-edit, find hooks and just generally make things varied and interesting. They seem to have established a way of working and a sound which they'll probably stay with until they retire, and I think that's a bit of a shame because if they had a Bob Rock again, but not Bob Rock himself, rather someone who would help them get out of their rut and be a fresh and educated pair of ears, then they have a possibility of achieving that album Kirk was talking about - that is where Kirk said if he didn't genuinely think the band had their best album ahead of them, then they wouldn't continue making records. They're never going to achieve that by camping out in Metallica HQ and have Greg Fidelman being a glorified sound engineer.
I think the album is strongest on the lyrical front and that Hetfield still has something vital to say, but it's badly let down by the music, which isn't even necessarily 'bad', it's just that there's nothing to put it above the hundreds of commercial metal albums which come out every year either. It certainly wouldn't be getting the cinema release treatment if it weren't for the Metallica association, to put it that way.
In one sense, a slab of heavy riffage is in the spirit of what Metallica do, but there's another part of that spirit which is to go against the grain. Even in their early days, they were putting slow acoustic passages into their songs before it was cool in the thrash world to do it. I think they need to find that aspect of themselves again, before they hang it up, if only just one time.
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Post by herodreamer79 on Apr 15, 2023 19:19:11 GMT
i absolutely agree that if Metallica puts out another record they should set out to find a producer who can push and challenge them the way Bob Rock used to do. bring back those passages (they kind of did it with Inamorata). someone who can kick Lars out of the room and get Kirk back to writing real solos again instead of this off-the-cuff wanking that Lars has reduced him to. someone who can help shore of some of their transitions and tighten up their structures.
Metallica's biggest problem right now is way too much Lars. James has made this conscious effort to back off and let the other guys do their thing which i think is a great thing for metallica.
the problem is now Lars has too much control to the point it feels like he's the only real voice in the room now and it's becoming evident.
they need a fresh voice in the room - especially with james taking more of a back seat.
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Post by heini92 on Apr 15, 2023 19:48:26 GMT
There are so many great songs on this record. I'm just in awe how much it has connected with me during these last two days of non-stop listening.
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Post by heini92 on Apr 15, 2023 19:53:31 GMT
I'm starting to think the whole end of Mirrors - starting with the lead into the harmonizing - is one of the best things they have ever done.
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Post by BMus1 on Apr 15, 2023 19:55:13 GMT
It's cool how they channeled a lot of their influences on this record, but then songs like Crown and Burn feel more modern metal than anything they've done.
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Post by ModerusPrime on Apr 15, 2023 20:18:10 GMT
So....the Apple Spatial Audio tracks split into 6 stems. I can remix this....  |
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Post by matsacchi on Apr 15, 2023 20:55:51 GMT
72 seasons songs sound like B-sides from the Hardwired sessions. I kinda wonder if that's not the case...
Production is the same watered-down plastic sound from Hardwired; lyrics are St.Anger pt.II, so post-rehab cliché, self-help bs; Kirk's solos all sound the same, super uninspired pentatonic crap, like he doesn't want to be there; and Lars's drumming is tasteless and annoying (nothing new there).
Having said that, James's vocals are good and Rob does a great job.
Here's my song-by-song:
72 Seasons - Decent, solid melody. Best song in the album. Honest effort. 7/10
Shadows Follow - Interesting melodies, Ok riffs, deletable solo, and a bit too long. 6.5/10.
Sleepwalk My Life Away - Great bass intro. In regards to everything else, Lars's dad said it best: "DELETE THAT". 2/10
You Must Burn - Good song, one of the best, but still feels like a b-side from Hardwired. It's Dream No More's poor cousin. 7/10
Lux - A bit meh, but it's an honest effort. At least it's short. 6.5/10
Crown of Barbed Wire - Lyrics are actually good on this one, which is rare these days. One of the best of the album, but nothing special. Solos are deletable once again and Lars does all he can to ruin it. Still kind of enjoyable. 7/10
Chasing Light: Awful. It's one of those where the lyrics are so bad that I wish I didn't understand English, maybe I could enjoy it. To me, this is Invisible Kid 2. Cringe, cringe, cringe! (puke) 1/10
If Darkness Had Son - You know what? Compared to the likes of Chasing Light and Sleepwalk My Life Away, this is actually a masterpiece. The chorus's melody is pretty good and I must admit, catchy as hell. One of the most enjoyable. 6.5/10
Too Far Gone? This one has pop punk vibes. It's Metallica trying to be Green Day. Melody is catchy, but it's a B-side of something good from Hardwired. Maybe Spit out the bones? 5/10
Rooms of Mirrors - another pop punk song, with cringy lyrics. Again, good melodies, I'll give them that, but pretty forgettable. 5/10
Inamorata: I honestly don't know what the hype is all about. It has some good moments melody-wise and that bass interlude is nice, but other than that it didn't sound like anything special. It's ok. 6/10
Screaming Suicide: Again, I wish I didn't understand English... Some good melodies though. 5/10.
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Post by SicJes on Apr 15, 2023 21:45:52 GMT
It's cool how they channeled a lot of their influences on this record, but then songs like Crown and Burn feel more modern metal than anything they've done. Yes, this album has all the good ingredients from their career sprinkled throughout with some nice new decorations to go on top. |
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Post by Zalman on Apr 15, 2023 21:59:30 GMT
The Room of Mirrors video is a really cool idea, but it's so low budget lol. Just a handful of the same scenes they keep cycling through.
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Post by BMus1 on Apr 15, 2023 22:22:06 GMT
I wish I liked any of the transitions in Room of Mirrors. I love every part of that song but getting from one to the other feels like a sharp turn.
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Post by spartanmcdoodle on Apr 15, 2023 22:41:23 GMT
So....the Apple Spatial Audio tracks split into 6 stems. I can remix this.... Awesome. I was hoping that was the case as I presumed the cinema mix was not just a standard stereo format. Please make a mix with Lars toned down and no hi hat over the soft section in inamorata! |
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Post by lightning master on Apr 15, 2023 22:52:12 GMT
I'm happy for you guys that 72s means so much for you but I feel like there are about 4-5 HTSD songs (and couple on DM too) that own everything that is on the new one. Just goes to show you how subjective music is as an art. Easily the most subjective form of media. Yup, agreed. |
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Post by lightning master on Apr 15, 2023 23:04:46 GMT
72 seasons songs sound like B-sides from the Hardwired sessions. I kinda wonder if that's not the case... Yup, more or less. Beyond Hardwired. I think the best songs on 72 Seasons are definitely better than the worst songs on HWTSD, but there's no Dream no more on it, there's no Spit out the bone on it, there's no Halo on fire on it and there's certainly no Moth into flame on it.
So far I think 72 Seasons is filled with good songs but overall the Great songs are missing.
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Post by BMus1 on Apr 15, 2023 23:06:31 GMT
Wtf, James plays the intro of Lux at 0:41 when they were writing Hardwired.
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Post by SicJes on Apr 15, 2023 23:44:10 GMT
Wtf, James plays the intro of Lux at 0:41 when they were writing Hardwired. I've seen this claim here and there the past week. What are you all talking about? At 0:41 there is nothing being played and everything surrounding it is just Hardwired. ? |
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Post by yepsure on Apr 15, 2023 23:49:48 GMT
The intro to Lux is basically the chorus to Leper Messiah sped up.
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Post by herodreamer79 on Apr 16, 2023 0:13:52 GMT
The intro to Lux is basically the chorus to Leper Messiah sped up. it's just a chromatic walk down on A right? i challenge anyone to write 130 songs and not have at least a few that have similar parts and sound a little samey |
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Post by SicJes on Apr 16, 2023 1:22:39 GMT
That ASL interpreter video for 72 Seasons is really quite something. The whole lot of them coming soon will definitely be an interesting watch. What a move.
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Post by ford71V8 on Apr 16, 2023 1:27:36 GMT
 Can't wait, flashing black and white squares right? Yes!! To an epileptic level The missus had to look away, it was that intense |
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Post by davi84 on Apr 16, 2023 1:34:37 GMT
i absolutely agree that if Metallica puts out another record they should set out to find a producer who can push and challenge them the way Bob Rock used to do. bring back those passages (they kind of did it with Inamorata). someone who can kick Lars out of the room and get Kirk back to writing real solos again instead of this off-the-cuff wanking that Lars has reduced him to. someone who can help shore of some of their transitions and tighten up their structures. Metallica's biggest problem right now is way too much Lars. James has made this conscious effort to back off and let the other guys do their thing which i think is a great thing for metallica. the problem is now Lars has too much control to the point it feels like he's the only real voice in the room now and it's becoming evident. they need a fresh voice in the room - especially with james taking more of a back seat. I partially agree with about the heavy Lars influence on the recording process, but to me this album screams "Hetfield" much more than HWTSD. I think James' back seat attitude is a reality, but maybe not at the level you're saying. He's well aware of how things go on studio and he sure could use some real producer guidance from a top shelf professional, as much as the rest of the band. |
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Post by joeyr on Apr 16, 2023 1:47:25 GMT
It sounds fine. It has lots of riffs, but almost none are memorable. I really don't think the band are being pushed hard enough to self-edit, find hooks and just generally make things varied and interesting. They seem to have established a way of working and a sound which they'll probably stay with until they retire, and I think that's a bit of a shame because if they had a Bob Rock again, but not Bob Rock himself, rather someone who would help them get out of their rut and be a fresh and educated pair of ears, then they have a possibility of achieving that album Kirk was talking about - that is where Kirk said if he didn't genuinely think the band had their best album ahead of them, then they wouldn't continue making records. They're never going to achieve that by camping out in Metallica HQ and have Greg Fidelman being a glorified sound engineer. I think the album is strongest on the lyrical front and that Hetfield still has something vital to say, but it's badly let down by the music, which isn't even necessarily 'bad', it's just that there's nothing to put it above the hundreds of commercial metal albums which come out every year either. It certainly wouldn't be getting the cinema release treatment if it weren't for the Metallica association, to put it that way. In one sense, a slab of heavy riffage is in the spirit of what Metallica do, but there's another part of that spirit which is to go against the grain. Even in their early days, they were putting slow acoustic passages into their songs before it was cool in the thrash world to do it. I think they need to find that aspect of themselves again, before they hang it up, if only just one time. Not disagreeing with you, however I would suggest that I don’t think Fidelman is the issue, as he has done some incredible records (Slipknots We are not your kind for example, irrelevant of your thoughts on the band, is an aural adventure) which were wonderfully produced. I think it’s Metallicas relationship with him that’s the main issue. His role is probably very defined and Lars it would seem has final call. I would be so stoked for metallica to their final album with Bob Rock again, after the 20 year break they’ve had from him. That would be potentially very cool. Or, get someone like Joe Barisi to produce their next record. That would be fucking killer. |
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Post by herodreamer79 on Apr 16, 2023 2:00:36 GMT
im old enough to remember when every metallica fan hated bob rock how times have changed.  That would be pretty cool to see them come back around to Bob. Though I think there's a big part of the fan base that will never forgive him for the sound on St Anger. |
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Post by ModerusPrime on Apr 16, 2023 3:33:12 GMT
im old enough to remember when every metallica fan hated bob rock how times have changed. That would be pretty cool to see them come back around to Bob. Though I think there's a big part of the fan base that will never forgive him for the sound on St Anger. Some people hated Bob Rock. Wasn't every fan, and it wasn't even a majority. |
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Post by Spleen on Apr 16, 2023 4:04:59 GMT
yeah they just aren't making what i'm into
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Post by herodreamer79 on Apr 16, 2023 5:01:51 GMT
yeah they just aren't making what i'm into Well if you came here expecting something like Overkill's Scorched or a continuation of the Master of Puppets days Those days are long over my friend |
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Post by ModerusPrime on Apr 16, 2023 6:49:58 GMT
So....the Apple Spatial Audio tracks split into 6 stems. I can remix this.... Awesome. I was hoping that was the case as I presumed the cinema mix was not just a standard stereo format. Please make a mix with Lars toned down and no hi hat over the soft section in inamorata! It won't be that easy I'm afraid. I can tone it down but not erase it.
That hi-hat during the middle part is probably the single biggest mistake Metallica has made since getting on a bus in Sweden.
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Post by herodreamer79 on Apr 16, 2023 8:37:36 GMT
Ouch!
everyone is really going off about the hi-hat. lol i barely notice it.
maybe its because i've dealt with bad tinnitus for 10 years and i have a high tolerance for annoying ringing noises and just instinctively tune it out.
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Can't wait, flashing black and white squares right?
