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Post by Prometheus426 on Mar 1, 2023 20:45:55 GMT
This should've been the first single and not Lux.
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Post by BMus1 on Mar 1, 2023 20:49:44 GMT
Second listen. Like it, it’s going to grow on me a lot too. Suicide took a few listens before I liked it. This one I like off the bat because it’s different and creative and way less “samey” sounding to SS and Lux and most of Hardwired. Solo is terrible though. I miss loving Kirk Hammett solos. Now his main strength is little licks and leads in various songs, but he can’t seem to craft a main solo anymore, probably more improv. The main riff and the vocals are great. The chorus is almost a bit Foo Fighters-ish. I love hearing your reactions, they're always different than mine but I always find myself agreeing and understanding 
I'm still not hearing the "different" vibe of this one versus SS and Lux, but I appreciate the little things like the vocal effects and Kirk's licks throughout the song. Hardwired had very little Kirk outside of the solo spots. I wonder if we'll get any James solos or solo-less songs (like Wasting My Hate, not St. Anger). |
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Post by yepsure on Mar 1, 2023 21:06:24 GMT
Third listen. My god the snare and the snare rolls are so grating and annoying but it seems the volume of it gets turned down a notch when there’re vocals present which I appreciate. And the solo gets worse with each listen.
Love the vocal verse melody, love the chorus, the bass presence main riff.
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Post by Kimbo on Mar 1, 2023 21:12:16 GMT
Agreed, there’s a lot of Hw disc 2 in there.
The chorus to me sounds a little like a less melodic Ghost chorus.
Just without the flair, I kinda think it’s the worst part of the song.
Listening to Lux right after this once again puts Lux in a sweet light, dunno if I like it more now or because of the lacking quality of the two others.
It’s weird, Darkness is the closest to a killer Metallica track to me, but it’s also the worst of the bunch in certain parts.
How I wish the stars will align on some of the other songs, none of these are anywhere close to Dream, Halo or Moth
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Post by Kimbo on Mar 1, 2023 21:13:47 GMT
Third listen. My god the snare and the snare rolls are so grating and annoying but it seems the volume of it gets turned down a notch when there’re vocals present which I appreciate. And the solo gets worse with each listen. Love the vocal verse melody, love the chorus, the bass presence main riff. I noticed the snare right away, it’s way loader in parts, and also more pingey than on the other tracks |
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Post by spartanmcdoodle on Mar 1, 2023 21:18:27 GMT
I just wish their songs would start without the drum shit. It all sounds the same. Like cyanide and many of this eras tracks. BAMBAMBAM BAM BAM BAM BAMBAMBAM
Gimme some good intros like fuel, sleepz,king nothing, sandman, blackened, Thingy,seek etc.
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Post by BMus1 on Mar 1, 2023 21:38:44 GMT
Son/SS/Lux in a row actually work nicely as a little EP. It's gonna be a little weird adjusting to the album track list, also interesting they went with songs 3, 6, and 9 as singles.
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Post by Overkill on Mar 1, 2023 22:01:02 GMT
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Post by tribeleader on Mar 1, 2023 22:30:30 GMT
Son/SS/Lux in a row actually work nicely as a little EP. It's gonna be a little weird adjusting to the album track list, also interesting they went with songs 3, 6, and 9 as singles. Last single can be the 12th track then 18 is the release of the album which is 72 seasons.. But that's just a theory. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Mar 1, 2023 23:49:48 GMT
Loving everything Kirk is contributing on this one.
Got a Dream No More vibe on verses.
Whats with all the repeating words in James' writing?.... temptation, unforgiven in here, cyanide in the last one.
Love the solo, has a ManUnkind / Am i savage feel to it, maybe because of the slow chug that pops in now and then under it
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Post by ford71V8 on Mar 1, 2023 23:58:15 GMT
The album version won't have the droning sounds at the beginning and that pisses me off because I like the vibes that the tone of those sounds introducing the song. Thought the same, I really like that stuff and wish it was part of the album. Felt the same with Moth with those effects on the video |
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Post by SicJes on Mar 2, 2023 0:02:12 GMT
The verse sounds very Where The Wild Things Are on my last listen, the "Will this earth be good to you" part.
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Post by ford71V8 on Mar 2, 2023 0:09:27 GMT
Whoever said chorus is Ghost like, I really hear that too.
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Post by SicJes on Mar 2, 2023 0:16:31 GMT
How so? I've seen a lot of that remark, I love my Ghost and I just don't hear it.
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Post by ford71V8 on Mar 2, 2023 0:21:41 GMT
How so? I've seen a lot of that remark, I love my Ghost and I just don't hear it. Hard to explain. The way the first 2 lines are delivered have a Ghost vibe. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Mar 2, 2023 0:26:17 GMT
How so? I've seen a lot of that remark, I love my Ghost and I just don't hear it. Hard to explain. The way the first 2 lines are delivered have a Ghost vibe. ....and the chord progression underneath too I think. Would be more obvious if it had a grander production maybe. Definitely hearing something ghosty 🙂 |
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Post by jackers on Mar 2, 2023 0:36:23 GMT
You know those annoying people who say "how the dudes who wrote puppets, creep, one etc. can at the same time write their current material?"
Well I'm gonna go even further. How the same dudes who wrote Halo and Dream can at the same time write SS and Darkness ?
Sorry, I'm not digging the last 2 singles at all. Like what the hell is going on
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Post by Zalman on Mar 2, 2023 3:20:50 GMT
I'm enjoying this song, but I do feel like something is "off" about the last two singles. I can't pinpoint exactly what it is. I have issues with Hardwired, but I genuinely think songs like Moth and Dream are among their best in their career. Top tier Metallica songs on par with their 80s stuff. We're three songs into 72 Seasons and I still haven't had that feeling. I like Lux Æterna a lot, but it's not up there with those. It's like the songwriting has taken a noticeable hit in the last six years. But I'll reserve final judgment until I hear the full album because Hardwired was uneven too.
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Post by SicJes on Mar 2, 2023 5:12:26 GMT
I hate to throw out the age thing but you can't escape it. My dad was an unstoppable cycling addict my whole life. He took me on some amazing adventures growing up, and now that I have kids and it's time to really pack the camping gear and all that, he just doesn't have the juice anymore. It just kind of happened one day, like time finally caught up with him.
James has expressed this feeling recently. They are old guys now, trying to create something that has kind of left them behind both technically and mentally. They shine at the acoustic shows, like stars aged to perfection, definitely the pocket they should be settling into if longevity is the concern. Not these no repeat double night party mania conquer the world runs.
I love these guys with all my heart, and nothing makes me happier than to stand behind them with pride and enjoy the ride they've taken me on.
The 3 songs are decent enough for me to enjoy, but because I have such a deep history of fandom. If these last 3 songs were by some random band popping up in my YouTube feed being promoted by Napalm Records, I'd probably listen once and forget about them. The songs for me so far feel fun and new. They'll probably fade out of my regular playlists these days after the tour cycle runs it's course. Happened with HWTSD.
The songs sound like old guys trying to remain metal. But it's ok.
With all the time spent in isolation for James, Rehab, COVID, etc, he was really fiddling around on his acoustic, rewriting Blackened and all those little jams, preparing stuff for covers, and writing new material. I really hope that some of that makes it to the record, I'd love it if half the record was some great acoustic stuff with power, similar to Jar of Flies or something. Maybe these 3 singles were released because they were the more traditional kind of commercially appealing Metallica.
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Post by Prometheus426 on Mar 2, 2023 5:21:49 GMT
These songs have a really different vibe to DM and HWTSD, might be an interesting album.
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Mar 2, 2023 6:03:23 GMT
I hate to throw out the age thing but you can't escape it. My dad was an unstoppable cycling addict my whole life. He took me on some amazing adventures growing up, and now that I have kids and it's time to really pack the camping gear and all that, he just doesn't have the juice anymore. It just kind of happened one day, like time finally caught up with him. James has expressed this feeling recently. They are old guys now, trying to create something that has kind of left them behind both technically and mentally. They shine at the acoustic shows, like stars aged to perfection, definitely the pocket they should be settling into if longevity is the concern. Not these no repeat double night party mania conquer the world runs. I love these guys with all my heart, and nothing makes me happier than to stand behind them with pride and enjoy the ride they've taken me on. The 3 songs are decent enough for me to enjoy, but because I have such a deep history of fandom. If these last 3 songs were by some random band popping up in my YouTube feed being promoted by Napalm Records, I'd probably listen once and forget about them. The songs for me so far feel fun and new. They'll probably fade out of my regular playlists these days after the tour cycle runs it's course. Happened with HWTSD. The songs sound like old guys trying to remain metal. But it's ok. With all the time spent in isolation for James, Rehab, COVID, etc, he was really fiddling around on his acoustic, rewriting Blackened and all those little jams, preparing stuff for covers, and writing new material. I really hope that some of that makes it to the record, I'd love it if half the record was some great acoustic stuff with power, similar to Jar of Flies or something. Maybe these 3 singles were released because they were the more traditional kind of commercially appealing Metallica. I totally get what you mean. I feel the same for the most part. I've accepted the fact long ago that they likely won't churn out something crazy, but like Zalman mentioned, something feels off and I detect it too. The song structure is pretty samey and I fear the rest of the album is going to fall in between feeling "stock" and having some fun moments. When I heard Dream No More on HWTSD I was shocked how different it was even ManUNKind was a shocker despite people not liking it much. At least it felt different. These feel cookie cutter so far. Event his heavy song. If they follow their song formula like they always do, I hope that last track kills it. It usually does. |
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Post by Awake on Mar 2, 2023 7:20:05 GMT
I really don't hear TEMPTATION but DAMNATION;
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Post by jayc on Mar 2, 2023 9:49:43 GMT
How Lux Aeterna still sounds fucking fantastic to my ears after like 4 months, I can't tell. I never got bored of it. That's maybe one of the A-tier songs in the Metallica category. You can compare it with the songs like Memory Remains, Fuel, Frantic, Battery, Hit The Lights, Seek and Destroy and much more that I can't count. Darkness is fucking LEAGUES below Battery. I think they've been making a conscious effort to put back up all the barriers between fans and band that they spent the the 15-20 years prior removing. All the behind the scenes fly-on-the-wall videos of them in the studio like we had with St. Anger and DM are long gone. Tuning room videos are official retired. No meet and greet videos...hell no more meet and greets at all with the full band anymore. No backstage footage at all. MetOnTour is just highly produced and edited performance videos (which do sound great though). No MetClub, no SoWhat magazines. Not even really many interviews with the band at all. They've basically closed any windows in, they just focus on their touring, and obviously new album. The only other times we get any videos of them is when they're advertising their whiskey, cigars, boots, beach towels, etc... I wouldn't be surprised if they burnt themselves out on it. Looking back on some of those early tour videos, and going back even further to the Fan Cans in the 90s, Metallica were innovators in how a band talked to their audience by 15+ years. But nowadays a lot of artists will have talking heads on Instagram or Tik Tok to their fans. Combine that with their age, it'd make sense that they're closing the door on that level of interactivity in exchange for extremely highly produced performance videos that very few bands offer. That being said, please please please give me making of videos for 72 Seasons. I'm not optimistic about them, but I also remember thinking they wouldn't exist for HTSD either. Great points here. Totally agree. I also think a lot of this is down to Hetfield. I think he wants/needs to put the curtain back in place around the band so there's less 'him' out there in the world. |
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Post by Kimbo on Mar 2, 2023 10:27:34 GMT
This track really feels like a mixture of almost everything they've ever done, it's quite overwhelming actually.
Intro - straight up 80's metal. I'm thinking Am I evil
Verse - very Where The Wild Things meets Dream No More ish... For once I think I would have appreciated a more stock beat from Lars. That tom beat makes it difficult to listen to
Chorus - I have no Idea what this is. It screams Ghost to me, which normally is not a bad thing, it just lacks finesse and sits weirdly in the song with the other parts being way different
Bridge - Standard underwhelming lazy riff, reminds me of almost every bridge riff since 2016
Solo section - Pure Murder One and Am I Savage, Murder one on the shitty soloing, Savage from the awesome riffage behind. Very weird combination, but once again I listen to James instead of Kirk in these sections, was the same on most HW tracks
Outro - Back to the standard metal formular, but with great variety, both in drumming and in harmonies. The bass thing is awesome as well. This Outro is for me the best they've done in forever
The song excels in having very few bad transitions, which is great and a major difference from SS which is clunky as hell.
But the transition from the solo section to the 3rd verse is not good, it comes in too abrupt. Also the transition into the halftime beat near the end is also very sudden
and I get surprised every time. Probably just need more listens to accept that one.
I'm more positive about this today than yesterday, which is a good thing. I'm wondering how it will translate live, the obvious parts will be amazing, but the verse and chorus...
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Post by yepsure on Mar 2, 2023 11:04:01 GMT
The 3 songs are decent enough for me to enjoy, but because I have such a deep history of fandom. If these last 3 songs were by some random band popping up in my YouTube feed being promoted by Napalm Records, I'd probably listen once and forget about them. The songs for me so far feel fun and new. They'll probably fade out of my regular playlists these days after the tour cycle runs it's course. Happened with HWTSD. The songs sound like old guys trying to remain metal. But it's ok. With all the time spent in isolation for James, Rehab, COVID, etc, he was really fiddling around on his acoustic, rewriting Blackened and all those little jams, preparing stuff for covers, and writing new material. I really hope that some of that makes it to the record, I'd love it if half the record was some great acoustic stuff with power, similar to Jar of Flies or something. Maybe these 3 singles were released because they were the more traditional kind of commercially appealing Metallica. 100% spot on and completely agree. These songs are fun and enjoyable for me while they are new, the same way some of the songs on St. Anger, Death Magnetic and HWTSD were. But I'll get bored soon and I just don't see these songs having the staying power. Nor do they seem to have that passionate musicianship their earlier albums or those acoustic performances you mentioned do...especially that Helping Hands live record they did, that was a true peak of modern Metallica IMO. If early Metallica took the Merciful Fate philosophy of putting a few crazy quality riffs into songs, teasing the listener with one or two bars and never playing them again, and early 90s Metallica took A++ riffs and turned them into complete well crafted songs on the Black album, and riffs were naturally jammed out into complete flowing songs on Load/Reload, modern Metallica is known for taking an average riff, introducing it in an awkward intro, repeating it 16,000 times, joining it up with other repeating average riffs by way of cymbal count ins, pauses, pick scrapes and e string chugging. I'm actually enjoying the new songs, but once they novelty wears off, which it will, they'll just be more new middle of the road pieced together samey sounding Metallica songs - with on the nose lyrics with recognisable phrases and words reused from other songs, a forgettable improvised solo with some fast notes, some bends and wah, a super loud annoying snare rolling away on top of everything, and some average riffs often which are extremely similar to riffs found in other Metallica songs. I don't see myself regularly listening to these songs in 2053 the same way I still listen and love listening to the Black album or Load. I know Load isn't for everyone, but I really think that was them at their songwriting peak. Not your Poor Twisted Me's and your Better Than You's, but just the way the songs flow and seem so natural. The way the instruments sat and complemented each other. The way the vocals worked with the guitars. The way the drums were just drums not an instrument up front. No forced intros and then snap to verse then choruses, then generic middle riff, etc... The Bob Rock influence is must have been huge and understated not to mention underappreciated. |
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Post by BMus1 on Mar 2, 2023 12:20:33 GMT
I'll third the "something off" feeling about these songs. I also have been loving every release, but I can't help but think they feel a little more hollow than anything else they've put out. Like missing layers or missing depth in some of the parts; Lars and Rob's parts in these songs have been exceedingly boring. Lars has a habit of dumbing down drum parts live, even new songs (see Moth live versus the studio) but that seems like it's reached the studio.
Also feeling like production is playing a factor in it here? These songs with a more natural sounding Load production would work well, a lot of the times there's not much more going on than two guitars, bass, and drums. Especially Screaming Suicide which to me still sounds like a live take from the floor like Dream and NTWD were. But with the super sleek and modern HTSD sound, everything is just sounding empty. This kind of mixing necessitates some more layers or some more complexity or else it comes off as hollow.
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Post by Zalman on Mar 2, 2023 12:48:49 GMT
I have no issues with the production. It sounds good to me. Makes me sad we couldn't get DM with production like this. I genuinely think it would've been a contender for my favorite Metallica album.
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Post by BMus1 on Mar 2, 2023 13:02:20 GMT
I have no issues with the production. It sounds good to me. Makes me sad we couldn't get DM with production like this. I genuinely think it would've been a contender for my favorite Metallica album. What I would do for a Fidelman DM remix. Agreed 100% Also I love the sound of the production, and it works great for Lux. I just don’t think these simple songs are getting any favors done for them with it. That SS would sound great with the creamy, mid heavy tone at the start of Ain’t My Bitch. |
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Post by jayc on Mar 2, 2023 13:59:45 GMT
I know Load isn't for everyone, but I really think that was them at their songwriting peak. Not your Poor Twisted Me's and your Better Than You's, but just the way the songs flow and seem so natural. The way the instruments sat and complemented each other. The way the vocals worked with the guitars. The way the drums were just drums not an instrument up front. No forced intros and then snap to verse then choruses, then generic middle riff, etc... The Bob Rock influence is must have been huge and understated not to mention underappreciated. Fuck yes. Lyrics were also at their peak on that album too. |
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Post by jayc on Mar 2, 2023 14:08:18 GMT
More thoughts on Kirk's "solos"....
When you have different components, they don’t always match up in vibe or whatnot so when you jam them together it sounds like it is: bits stuck together.
Obviously, I’m not privy to the recording process but maybe what his solos now need is for Greg and Lars to put the pieces together and then Kirk sits down and finds the linking passages and phrase to smooth it all together into one coherent piece. It’s not so much, for me, that different phrasings and notes and whatnot, but the disjointed nature of it.
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