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Post by Bartman on Jul 4, 2021 11:49:46 GMT
they're supposed to be formula 3 cars but seem to be closer to formula 4 on pace... i don't know if these cars have been detuned or what but they aren't fast that's for sure.
it's a shame too because someone like jamie chadwick is a properly decent driver that probably should be further along the single seater ladder. i appreciate that racing in w series is building her profile (which should boost her profile) but dicking around for two years in those go karts (plus extreme e, tbf) seems like a waste of talent to me. at the very least she'll get some super licence poitns.
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 4, 2021 20:09:09 GMT
You'd think a wise old head like Derek Warwick would check the steward team from going full retard...Perez getting a penalty because Leclerc forced the outside mid-corner, unbelievable.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 5, 2021 11:03:42 GMT
You'd think a wise old head like Derek Warwick would check the steward team from going full retard...Perez getting a penalty because Leclerc forced the outside mid-corner, unbelievable. one of those penalties i think maybe, maybe, if the stewards were being extremely harsh i can understand. but it's shit, utterly nonsense. what's with all of these kids trying to force their video game lines on to the real tracks in real cars all about too. the red bull ring is one of the few tracks where there are consequences for that kind of nonsense too so you'd expect maybe a bit more prudence. but nah.
first couple of laps aside, the indycar race at mid-ohio was much more orderly and respectful. if the finish line was in the same place as the start line, i think marcus ericsson would have win #2.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 5, 2021 11:12:49 GMT
speaking of derek warwick, saw on wiki and heard loads of chat over the years that he is considered maybe to be the best driver to never win a race. i suppose he's definitely high up the list with heidfeld, johansson, amon, brundle, kobayashi (imo), cheever...
romain grosjean is a figure whom i do not know if he belongs there or not. spent most of his career, save three seasons (2012, 2013, 2018) in lower midfield cars - though doing some miraculous things, spa 2015 was one of the last true underdog podiums surely - and the three good seasons he spent a lot of the time crashing out and throwing away possible chances (and in that 2012 car, possible victories undoubtedly). unless God truly was smiling upon alonso that day, i reckon that valencia 2012 was a sure win if the alternator didn't fry. he wasn't far off kimi at all, his podiums in canada and italy were not just tyre luck. post summer break 2013 he was sublime... it's frustrating that the lotus project was run by shysters and morons and that they got majorly caught out by the regulation change in 2014 because i feel like he was on the verge of a huge breakthrough. had the v8 formula remained a few more seasons - or they adopted indycar-esque regs - he might not be a winless formula one driver.
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 5, 2021 11:29:34 GMT
Didn't Amon win three Grand Prix? :P
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Post by Bartman on Jul 5, 2021 11:47:36 GMT
Didn't Amon win three Grand Prix? :P only non-championship ones, so technicallllyyy he is a grand prix winner, yes :p |
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 5, 2021 20:29:12 GMT
Pole times at Spielberg
F1 1:03.7
F3 1:19.7
W series 1:28.4
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Post by yepsure on Jul 6, 2021 9:18:55 GMT
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Post by Bartman on Jul 7, 2021 7:54:40 GMT
trying to guess what the calender will look like after monza should be its own sport |
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Post by Bartman on Jul 7, 2021 7:55:25 GMT
Pole times at Spielberg F1 1:03.7 F3 1:19.7 W series 1:28.4 :| formula 4, in the snow, only 2 seconds off...
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Post by Bartman on Jul 7, 2021 8:38:47 GMT
trying to guess what the calender will look like after monza should be its own sport
on this note, the world endurance championship race at fuji has been cancelled, as of this morning. this probably casts the formula one race (due for the week before or after, i can't fully mind) into doubt. obviously formula one is a much more prestigious event but the october fuji is an iconic event in itself plus the track is owned by toyota (who also promote), suzuka and honda might not be so different. despite what huge sections of formula one twitter and media think ("of course they'll race in japan, honda have yuki t to show off!!!). |
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 7, 2021 22:59:09 GMT
Reutemann :(
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Post by Bartman on Jul 8, 2021 20:13:53 GMT
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 14, 2021 11:27:26 GMT
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Post by Bartman on Jul 17, 2021 15:55:07 GMT
i was unsure about the validity of this sprint race but let me tell you, i'm glad that they have given us the non-stop excitement and the rush of max verstappen leading lewis hamilton but 2 seconds and them in turn leading the field by about 7 seconds. this is exactly what i was promised from this innovation, revolution and situation.
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 17, 2021 19:27:36 GMT
It was absolute pish.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 17, 2021 20:04:38 GMT
struggling to find the motivation to bring myself to watch this race the morra tbh
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Post by yepsure on Jul 18, 2021 10:49:22 GMT
struggling to find the motivation to bring myself to watch this race the morra tbh Lights out is at midnight my time, so I might skip watching this one live and watch it tomorrow morning before work...although I have to remember to avoid the internet before watching it. |
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Post by Bartman on Jul 18, 2021 14:21:41 GMT
struggling to find the motivation to bring myself to watch this race the morra tbh Lights out is at midnight my time, so I might skip watching this one live and watch it tomorrow morning before work...although I have to remember to avoid the internet before watching it. for some reason i thought that you were in perth, no idea why. anyway, avoiding the interwebs is always the challenge with sporting events such as these. godspeed. |
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Post by Bartman on Jul 18, 2021 14:22:26 GMT
pretty sure that lewis attempted murder there. this is the development in this rivalry that i have been waiting for.
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 18, 2021 18:26:14 GMT
pretty sure that lewis attempted murder there. this is the development in this rivalry that i have been waiting for. I don't supoort either driver, but I wouldn't have penalised Lewis there. Max drives on the red line, sometimes it doesn't work 🤷 |
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Post by Bartman on Jul 18, 2021 18:54:53 GMT
I don't supoort either driver, but I wouldn't have penalised Lewis there. Max drives on the red line, sometimes it doesn't work 🤷 i think that that a fair view tbh. i also don't think that it was necessarily an accident but there wasn't a need for lewis to move. folk can say that lewis was being dangerous but that's motor racing and if you don't want cars to go flat out around copse corner, don't have regulations that let that kind of thing happen and then get upset when the inevitable eventually happens :p
given his rep, it's a miracle verstappen hasn't had more huge accidents in his time in F1
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 18, 2021 22:08:50 GMT
Red Bull deliberately ruining Checo's race to steal one point from Hamilton isn't sport. Where's the 'throw the sport into disrepute' clause when we need it? :p
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Post by yepsure on Jul 18, 2021 23:20:21 GMT
I support Mercedes so may be biased, but I really think this was just a "racing incident", and had it been between a Haas and a Williams it would have been deemed as such.
Max is always aggressive in corners like this, normally second driver backs out and Max comes out on top. This time around Hamilton kept pushing and Max came out second best. Glad he's ok, and can't help but feel for Leclerc as entertaining as it was to watch Hamilton hunt him down and take P1 in the last lap or two.
Safe to say though, 90% of F1 commentary across Reddit, other socials etc...is so aggressively anti-Hamilton calling him a cheat, etc...
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Post by Bartman on Jul 20, 2021 21:52:25 GMT
without putting too much bad faith onto lewis but i am sure that it wasn't a straight up accident, more an accident of convenience. the intention wasn't to send max flying into the barriers at goodness knows what kph with wheels flying all over but he had to have been 100% aware of where max would be and know that max wasn't ever going to back out of that move. if it's bottas or leclerc or perez, he might have waited a lap, but verstappen he had to act and had to either force an error or, inadvertently, let max cause an accident.
it's the spark that the championship needed, i thought. a leopard doesn't change it's spots and nobody is as well educated in the dark arts as hamilton - he drove under ron dennis, he was the team mate of fernando alonso and learned all of those tricks, he's been in a title fight with kimi and with webber, the rosberg years, vettel... he knows how to get in the mind of an opponent and he knows when to let it go (imola turn 1; bahrain when max passed him, knowing the likelihood that there'll be a penalty; maybe a softer defence at paul ricard) and when to stick the car in and if max clips him, hell will mend them.
it'll be genuinely interesting to see how max handles the pressure of a hamilton title fight/rivalry. he hasn't fought a championship battle since like the ferrari winter series in 2014 (which, err, will buxton competed a few races in), he's never had a great deal of pressure put on him by red bull or by formula 1 at all and now he's going 1-1 with the statistical GOAT, maybe the most driven driver since MSC who is not afraid to get dirty to win. the season has properly begun!
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 20, 2021 22:45:52 GMT
without putting too much bad faith onto lewis but i am sure that it wasn't a straight up accident, more an accident of convenience. the intention wasn't to send max flying into the barriers at goodness knows what kph with wheels flying all over but he had to have been 100% aware of where max would be and know that max wasn't ever going to back out of that move. if it's bottas or leclerc or perez, he might have waited a lap, but verstappen he had to act and had to either force an error or, inadvertently, let max cause an accident. it's the spark that the championship needed, i thought. a leopard doesn't change it's spots and nobody is as well educated in the dark arts as hamilton - he drove under ron dennis, he was the team mate of fernando alonso and learned all of those tricks, he's been in a title fight with kimi and with webber, the rosberg years, vettel... he knows how to get in the mind of an opponent and he knows when to let it go (imola turn 1; bahrain when max passed him, knowing the likelihood that there'll be a penalty; maybe a softer defence at paul ricard) and when to stick the car in and if max clips him, hell will mend them. it'll be genuinely interesting to see how max handles the pressure of a hamilton title fight/rivalry. he hasn't fought a championship battle since like the ferrari winter series in 2014 (which, err, will buxton competed a few races in), he's never had a great deal of pressure put on him by red bull or by formula 1 at all and now he's going 1-1 with the statistical GOAT, maybe the most driven driver since MSC who is not afraid to get dirty to win. the season has properly begun! Yeah, snide Hamilton will return, maybe without the personal needle of the Rosberg fight, but with the added dimension of a stupid child being trolled into petulance (as if it's needed) by one of the greats. :p But will also be interesting to see how far Lewis will take it IF Mercedes genuinely loses the development race. |
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Post by Bartman on Jul 21, 2021 19:08:06 GMT
Yeah, snide Hamilton will return, maybe without the personal needle of the Rosberg fight, but with the added dimension of a stupid child being trolled into petulance (as if it's needed) by one of the greats. :p But will also be interesting to see how far Lewis will take it IF Mercedes genuinely loses the development race. aye that's it, max is a much better/more rounded driver but he's still a verstappen and if hamilton needles him, he's going to react. it'll definitely be an interesting season to watch unfold. hamilton/merc on the back foot would be a really interesting story, we'll really see the dark arts at work there.
the only time i can recall hamilton giving up on a championship before was 2012...when he leaked his own team mate's set up and data on twitter and communication seemed to all but break down with mclaren and he left. i wonder what 2021 lewis does?
one last thing about the accident on sunday, i feel that if seb vettel did it we'd see loads of people calling for a race ban, saying that he's lost his head etc. seb has previous but it's interesting to me how hamilton, relatively, gets away with a lot in the press and more educated fan base. obviously, this is not to excuse or play down the awful comments about him online and stuff but i did notice that.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 24, 2021 9:08:59 GMT
rewatching the first lap from the other day there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that lewis had made the decision that max wasn't finishing that first lap and if it meant that he also wouldn't, so be it - max verstappen was not winning the british grand prix. the way that he was driving - not unsafe whatsoever, just giving max less than no quarter and either letting max make the mistake or just by being in the place to make contact.
lewis hamilton will make a great character study once he's retired. i amn't a fan (though i'd take him over jos jr and mr ginger spice) but as a figure... there are few like him. the rest of this season should be great, excited to see where this will go and how verstappen responds.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 24, 2021 23:39:35 GMT
feel like pure shit just want mclaren mp4-17D, one lap qualifying, top class kimi, v10s, gravel and grass run off, pre-indianapolis 2003 spec michelin tyres so that kimi or juan pablo can win the title, grooved tyres and, again, one lap qualifying back
(grooved tyres i think should be brought back solely because i really want to see the current formula LOOK like they are at the edge of adhesion and a struggle to drive. occasionally bring back grooved tyres every regulation cycle would be cool imo)
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Post by Bartman on Jul 29, 2021 10:23:23 GMT
red bull are a fucking joke lol
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