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Post by Bartman on Dec 7, 2020 0:41:48 GMT
I also think that re: Max and Charles,but today was the opposite. (Unless Max was still trying to power through the run-off bit before the gravel?). Maybe Bahrain needs to use this layout every other year, or we go twice there instead of Yas Marina :p more like "no, marina!" am i right? :p
aye, i think that max was probably not in the wrong today - unless he thought he could rallycross his way out as you say. probably just a victim of leclerc's accident.
on the whole though, aye, i think sharl is the more level headed driver. i doubt he'd have thrown away the race as max did the other week in turkey. excited for the future though between those two, russell and sainz at the front of the field - plus with bottas, gibernau won races here and there too!
gibernau was my favourite rider growing up. i'm used to being frustrated by this sport.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 9, 2020 21:29:40 GMT
i'm sure i posted somewhere in this thread about a former mclaren F1 driver showing up at indianapolis in a mclaren indycar car...
(montoya was the name i had in mind but i also thought that, maybe, magnussen or kimi might've been in that position. alonso possibly too but i tend to believe cyril when he says "absolutely not" to fred wanting another go. i amn't nostradamus or nuffink  ) |
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 9, 2020 21:42:45 GMT
I also think that re: Max and Charles,but today was the opposite. (Unless Max was still trying to power through the run-off bit before the gravel?). Maybe Bahrain needs to use this layout every other year, or we go twice there instead of Yas Marina :p more like "no, marina!" am i right? :p
aye, i think that max was probably not in the wrong today - unless he thought he could rallycross his way out as you say. probably just a victim of leclerc's accident.
on the whole though, aye, i think sharl is the more level headed driver. i doubt he'd have thrown away the race as max did the other week in turkey. excited for the future though between those two, russell and sainz at the front of the field - plus with bottas, gibernau won races here and there too!
gibernau was my favourite rider growing up. i'm used to being frustrated by this sport.
Sete had much more flair than Bottas. (Or maybe I'm stretching it, since with bikes riding style is completely on display). Maybe that makes Nico Crivillé. :p |
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Post by Bartman on Dec 9, 2020 22:34:09 GMT
Sete had much more flair than Bottas. (Or maybe I'm stretching it, since with bikes riding style is completely on display). Maybe that makes Nico Crivillé. :p haha, nico as crevillé i can completely understand 
i think bottas is actually quite a sophisticated driver, he doesn't have flair like leclerc or verstappen but i don't think he just puttles along and has success purely by having the best car. they seem to have a similar mentality or level of self doubt. as epic as the early 2000s were, one often got the feeling that gibernau was competing against his mind as much as he was rossi; even if he was often as good, if not better, than rossi, he'd often make daft wee mistakes once he was ahead or seize up in battle. rossi being willing to play dirty (assen 2004, jerez 2005 eg) probably also helped with that but i don't think that accounts for all of that. sete was quite aware that, even then, rossi was the GOAT and that he wasn't. i have similar feelings re bottas - he is great and we see often that he is as fast as hamilton (and russell) but, for all of the radio messages he has "to whom it may concern..." and all of the pole positions and evident race pace, something about him *knows* that he can't beat hamilton.
i've never seen someone's self belief and confidence collapse like gibernau's did in 2005 - between the bike, rossi bossing, the last laps at jerez and sachsenring (i remember this one vividly) and melandri being much better than anybody (especially the team) expected, he was a broken man. 2018 was an absolute beating for bottas - comrade kimi easily finished ahead of him and ricciardo had no luck mechanically otherwise he'd have finished ahead too - but 2020 feels no better, if not worse. he's lucky that russell will have at most only two races against him and at the end of the season else i'd have him on watch! :p
i feel really sorry for him. i know that it is sport and that results matter but i do believe that in any other team (maybe other than williams...) bottas would be looked at much much better: he'd do as much with that ferrari and mclaren as leclerc and sainz have, i don't think he's worse than ricciardo at renault. maybe he's frentzen and he's built for a midfield team and not a top team - fighting for a championship in a jordan vs being way off villeneuve in a williams - maybe hamilton (and maybe russell) are just that good that almost anybody looks average in comparison.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 10, 2020 18:14:11 GMT
i'm glad that he is well again and apparently not a risk to others but i was really hoping that hamilton would miss another race and that russell would get another go in the merc, plus aitken in the williams
at this point, if i was lewis and had won 7 championships and 724 races, i'd probably want to just take abu dhabi off and start my holiday early.
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 10, 2020 19:33:02 GMT
I don't fault him for wanting to race, they're competitive people, but yeah...lame :(
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 10, 2020 19:37:30 GMT
Sete had much more flair than Bottas. (Or maybe I'm stretching it, since with bikes riding style is completely on display). Maybe that makes Nico Crivillé. :p haha, nico as crevillé i can completely understand
i think bottas is actually quite a sophisticated driver, he doesn't have flair like leclerc or verstappen but i don't think he just puttles along and has success purely by having the best car. they seem to have a similar mentality or level of self doubt. as epic as the early 2000s were, one often got the feeling that gibernau was competing against his mind as much as he was rossi; even if he was often as good, if not better, than rossi, he'd often make daft wee mistakes once he was ahead or seize up in battle. rossi being willing to play dirty (assen 2004, jerez 2005 eg) probably also helped with that but i don't think that accounts for all of that. sete was quite aware that, even then, rossi was the GOAT and that he wasn't. i have similar feelings re bottas - he is great and we see often that he is as fast as hamilton (and russell) but, for all of the radio messages he has "to whom it may concern..." and all of the pole positions and evident race pace, something about him *knows* that he can't beat hamilton.
i've never seen someone's self belief and confidence collapse like gibernau's did in 2005 - between the bike, rossi bossing, the last laps at jerez and sachsenring (i remember this one vividly) and melandri being much better than anybody (especially the team) expected, he was a broken man. 2018 was an absolute beating for bottas - comrade kimi easily finished ahead of him and ricciardo had no luck mechanically otherwise he'd have finished ahead too - but 2020 feels no better, if not worse. he's lucky that russell will have at most only two races against him and at the end of the season else i'd have him on watch! :p
i feel really sorry for him. i know that it is sport and that results matter but i do believe that in any other team (maybe other than williams...) bottas would be looked at much much better: he'd do as much with that ferrari and mclaren as leclerc and sainz have, i don't think he's worse than ricciardo at renault. maybe he's frentzen and he's built for a midfield team and not a top team - fighting for a championship in a jordan vs being way off villeneuve in a williams - maybe hamilton (and maybe russell) are just that good that almost anybody looks average in comparison.
That's an interesting comparison to Frentzen. Maybe we will find out in 2022 if he leaves Mercedes* :p Claire Williams used to praise the guy to high heavens, but then they also said Rubens was more talented than several of their world champion drivers, so not sure of legit opinions or good man-management. *I'd actually go for Bottas if I was Red Bull. |
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Post by Bartman on Dec 10, 2020 19:52:15 GMT
That's an interesting comparison to Frentzen. Maybe we will find out in 2022 if he leaves Mercedes* :p Claire Williams used to praise the guy to high heavens, but then they also said Rubens was more talented than several of their world champion drivers, so not sure of legit opinions or good man-management. *I'd actually go for Bottas if I was Red Bull. i think a problem with bottas is that he's only had two team mates - one is one of the best of all time and the others pastor maldonado and felipe massa - so it's hard to really compare him. like you said, williams praised him, wolff loves him and a lot of non-team mates absolutely rate him but we've never seen him vs a more comparable driver. as you allude maybe claire williams and the williams team as a whole was a better environment for him than mercedes, team mate aside, for whatever reason.
bottas to red bull would be interesting. i like the sound of that. toyed with the idea of him at ferrari but i think that the politics would wear him out. mclaren might've been a nice spot for him too (and if norris isn't spectacular in 2021, a ricciardco/bottas pairing could be tasty).
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Post by ford71V8 on Dec 10, 2020 23:05:16 GMT
i'm glad that he is well again and apparently not a risk to others but i was really hoping that hamilton would miss another race and that russell would get another go in the merc, plus aitken in the williams
at this point, if i was lewis and had won 7 championships and 724 races, i'd probably want to just take abu dhabi off and start my holiday early.
Didnt realise it had been confirmed he will race.
SHame, last GP was a beaut and had Hamilton been there, I am sure it would have played out differently (obvious much?). Mercedes didnt know how to function without him  |
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Post by Bartman on Dec 11, 2020 15:35:31 GMT
Didnt realise it had been confirmed he will race.
SHame, last GP was a beaut and had Hamilton been there, I am sure it would have played out differently (obvious much?). Mercedes didnt know how to function without him it was fucking class, wasn't it? i think it was the first race since the start of 2014 that i was actually hoping a mercedes driver would win!
it's funny, mercedes are usually a pretty flawless race team but when a weekend goes wrong for them it tends to be crazy and go spectacularly wrong - last weekend, the italian gp, germany last year, that austrian one when haas might've ended up with a podium etc.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 11, 2020 20:33:32 GMT
this was sweet:
i'll miss this whole set up at haas. it's easy for me to say it being a fan of rogro and magnussen for years and years but they were a good underdog team to support, full of very "real" figures. i understand why they had to employ michael ii - between ferrari and the sponsorship he will attract - and why marzipan's money (and, in fairness, talent) appealed to them but it won't feel the same!
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Post by Bartman on Dec 12, 2020 12:44:17 GMT
i hate how qualifying and practice start on the hour (or at half past) but the race starts at 10 past. i never rememberwhen things are on and invariably get ready too early or miss the start.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 12, 2020 13:23:09 GMT
decent quali for pietro there. sounds increasingly like he'll be full time at dale coyne in indycar next season but it'd be nice if haas keep him around, for sure.
tonio fucking destroyed kimi and co on that last lap there, jeezo.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 12, 2020 14:05:06 GMT
lol albon finally looks to be even with verstappen, bottas gets distance on hamilton... then verstappen drops a lap like that.
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 12, 2020 21:10:53 GMT
Prediction time: an unfit Hamilton to take Bottas and himself out at turn 1 and give Max an easy win. And Albon still won't end on the podium.
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 12, 2020 21:27:08 GMT
McLaren selling stake to another Doritos...
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Post by Bartman on Dec 12, 2020 23:21:35 GMT
Prediction time: an unfit Hamilton to take Bottas and himself out at turn 1 and give Max an easy win. And Albon still won't end on the podium. bold but i could believe the first half. i think albon has been legitimately on the pace this weekend - if that happened i think he and sainz would have a battle over 2nd. i don't know who wins that though... :p
norris better than sainz over the year for qualifying. i realise there have been some reasons for sainz having had some poor qualis but it isn't bad for the boy. he's had a very quiet season and, though anonymous at points, he's matched up very well vs his team mate (who is in my top 3 drivers of the season).
not convinced on norris as a top tier driver but he's definitely a good midfield driver that, depending on the car, could be towards the sharp end one day. he's no george russell or charles leclerc though.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 13, 2020 13:20:35 GMT
fucking great move on ocon by gasly on lap 2,no DRS or anything
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Post by Bartman on Dec 13, 2020 13:26:59 GMT
respect to a brother and all but if albon maybe considered overdriving once in a while, he'd maybe have a guaranteed seat for next year :p
honestly him leaving the nissan seat in formula e might have been a massive mistake. the boy has a perfect style for the series, he's very conservative and but very smart in battle.
case in point that overtake on norris there - very smart, very assured and very much 5 laps too late. you could see the raw power of renault vs honda there too, same as with ocon repassing gasly (to be outbreaked again).
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Post by Bartman on Dec 13, 2020 13:44:49 GMT
looooool zero racing pit stop race, another classic at yas marina.
lance stroll with the future of his team riding on him today, no pressure lad
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Post by Bartman on Dec 13, 2020 13:55:35 GMT
if i was charles leclerc i would probably just go home now tbh
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 13, 2020 14:44:26 GMT
More steward bullshit with after race investigations...
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Post by Bartman on Dec 13, 2020 14:47:12 GMT
what a woeful race in a woeful year for haas. can't see a huge amount of scope for improvement next year - esp with two rookies - but hopefully they/ferrari/dallara come up with something decent for '22.
stroll almost singlehandedly costing jordan 3rd in the championship 😬
comrade kimi the best ferrari driver today, alfa the best ferrari team of the season
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Post by Bartman on Dec 13, 2020 14:48:44 GMT
More steward bullshit with after race investigations... it's a fucking joke, mate. palmer went on a rant about this earlier on the BBC, whats even the point? happened in turkey too with verstappen. |
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Post by Bartman on Dec 14, 2020 0:08:48 GMT
this is so sweet, the message vettel wrote to sharl when they did a helmet swap  |
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 16, 2020 20:20:41 GMT
Interlagos until 2025 :D
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Post by Bartman on Dec 16, 2020 21:14:17 GMT
i will like this 100 times |
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Post by Bartman on Dec 17, 2020 15:42:55 GMT
could be a great signing by doritos here:
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Post by Bartman on Dec 18, 2020 13:33:11 GMT
they at least managed to produce two world champions out of this gang. neither of them in formula one and neither with red bull but they achieved that at least
danny r won a few a races i suppose. maybe carlos will too one day, with la scuderia.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 18, 2020 17:17:19 GMT
albon/gasly should've been the alphatauri line up next season - tost seems to understand both of them and albon was fucking great his half season at minardi. i don't anticipate them keeping gasly beyond 2021, esp if the alpine murmurs turn into something, though tost is a fan and we know how long he kept kvyat around. either way, yuki could maybe stand another year in F2 - he's still only 20 after all and next year could've been a shootout for pierre and alex.
feels a bit early to buemi albon, imo. i don't think he deserves the RBR drive more than perez but i think he deserves a spot on the grid more than maybe half the grid.
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