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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 1, 2020 13:35:43 GMT
george in the merc this weekend? vandoorne making a comeback? big paul di resta getting a go???? Vandoorne deserves it for sure, but give it to Nico so he can get a podium :P Typical Hamilton good luck, already has the titles in the bag, so no consequences from this :P |
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Post by Bartman on Dec 1, 2020 13:45:24 GMT
Vandoorne deserves it for sure, but give it to Nico so he can get a podium :P Typical Hamilton good luck, already has the titles in the bag, so no consequences from this :P the man lives in fergie time...
i like vandoorne and quite fancy him to end up with the team if they continue post-hamilton so i wouldn't complain. hulk would be the sentimental choice right enough, that'd be nice.
do something mental and recall ocon :p
i have hunners of hours around the outer ring logged on toca race driver 3 so if toto finds himself at a loose end, i'll step up if he needs me
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 1, 2020 13:53:22 GMT
The "rational" but bold move for me would be, rest Hamilton for two races, get George in the car and Nico in the Williams. As seen in Silverstone, he could give them valuable feedback as he gave to Force India.
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 1, 2020 14:29:17 GMT
Vandoorne deserves it for sure, but give it to Nico so he can get a podium :P Typical Hamilton good luck, already has the titles in the bag, so no consequences from this :P the man lives in fergie time...
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Post by Bartman on Dec 1, 2020 17:47:50 GMT
The "rational" but bold move for me would be, rest Hamilton for two races, get George in the car and Nico in the Williams. As seen in Silverstone, he could give them valuable feedback as he gave to Force India. aye, i can understand that. i also understand them wanting to put vandoorne in - even as a test of his ability - so i can see how it'd be a bit of a decision for them. depends also if doritos are willing to give up russell for a race, even if it could be for a driver like hulk, that they could conceivably score points in.
latifi is by all accounts a nice guy and a competent, fairly fast, racing driver, but imagine how strong williams would be with hulk and russell as their drivers. obviously there is only so much that they could do with the car but between nico's talent behind the wheel and his technical feedback, matched with russell's obvious talent, that'd be a hell of a team.
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Post by ford71V8 on Dec 1, 2020 23:39:37 GMT
Hamilton wont be racing after a loooong run of no DNS's.
Problem : Covid +ve
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Post by Bartman on Dec 2, 2020 0:06:16 GMT
Hamilton wont be racing after a loooong run of no DNS's. Problem : Covid +ve aye, am i right in thinking that he's started every grand prix he's entered? or at least, he's missed literally 1-2 races due to pre-race gremlins or something. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Dec 2, 2020 8:11:56 GMT
Hamilton wont be racing after a loooong run of no DNS's. Problem : Covid +ve aye, am i right in thinking that he's started every grand prix he's entered? or at least, he's missed literally 1-2 races due to pre-race gremlins or something. I only saw a headline so not sure on details but I cant recall hearing him missing a race and has been there for a good time now. |
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 2, 2020 10:09:36 GMT
So it's Russell and Aitken after all :o
It's awesome Mercedes didn't go for the safe and boring alternative but I hate seeing Williams giving up their only asset capable of collecting points.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 2, 2020 11:14:51 GMT
I only saw a headline so not sure on details but I cant recall hearing him missing a race and has been there for a good time now. ahhh, fair enough mate.
per wikipedia he has 265 race starts from 265 grand prix, which surely has to be some kind of record in itself! vettel has 9 less races than him but has one DNS, when the ferrari imploded before the start at bahrain a few years ago. i seem to remember that race in kimi might've had a chance in that race too. so his 255 race starts aren't in consecutive grand prix.
So it's Russell and Aitken after all :o It's awesome Mercedes didn't go for the safe and boring alternative but I hate seeing Williams giving up their only asset capable of collecting points. i do feel for williams for aitken is a great talent. he's been in the car before at least so he'll know what he's doing. hopefully latifi can put them team on his back...
george russell in the merc and jack aitken in the williams is everything that 2016 bartman wanted to see. i really like this.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 2, 2020 20:42:38 GMT
no audition for pietro this weekend...marzipan and the wong shoemaker full time at haas next year, alas
i won't give up on you, ralf <3
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Post by Bartman on Dec 2, 2020 22:24:01 GMT
ford71V8 might be able to elucidate better but supercars are planning to go ahead with a race at albert park over the formula one weekend... obviously F1 are still scheduled to go there next year but it's ambitious. WSB aren't planning to go until the end of the year, close to motogp's meeting, and maybe it is still a bit ambitious to think we'll race there in 4 months. but aye, fordy, if F1 cancelled/pulled out for whatever reason, would supercars still race at albert park or would the event be scrapped? www.touringcartimes.com/2020/12/02/supercars-confirm-12-round-2021-calendar/
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Post by ford71V8 on Dec 2, 2020 23:20:41 GMT
ford71V8 might be able to elucidate better but supercars are planning to go ahead with a race at albert park over the formula one weekend... obviously F1 are still scheduled to go there next year but it's ambitious. WSB aren't planning to go until the end of the year, close to motogp's meeting, and maybe it is still a bit ambitious to think we'll race there in 4 months. but aye, fordy, if F1 cancelled/pulled out for whatever reason, would supercars still race at albert park or would the event be scrapped? www.touringcartimes.com/2020/12/02/supercars-confirm-12-round-2021-calendar/ Yeah interesting question and it will only be a guess. If there is any reason why F1 cant go ahead I would suggest it would be problematic enough to also rule out the V8s. Unless it was an issue about traveling to Aust. (obv if there is a CV scare like last time, all bets are off) I think it would then be considered in regards to how much work had been put in to setup, how far they are into getting the show underway at the time F1 calls it a no-go. I know the TV contracts have been sorted which is always an extra deal to sort for this one round (due to F1 telecast contracts and V8s modifying their regular telecast avenues), so that would also play a part in a decision if there is a track ready to race on and F1's are not in the country. Lets hope things roll out as we all want - hassle free and solid start to the season. (will be V8s R2, we get a Bathurst500 for our opener with no Clipsal500 - I should be happy but...yeah) |
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 3, 2020 22:24:38 GMT
George has trouble fitting in the cockpit and is already doing drastic stuff like using shoes smaller than his size :P
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Post by yepsure on Dec 4, 2020 0:34:36 GMT
Should be an interesting one this weekend
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Post by Bartman on Dec 4, 2020 21:10:35 GMT
george is absolutely being humble but he has it down already. i have no expectations for his race - because that would be unfair - and i know that he has problems with his starts in a car that he's used to and that he can fit into but he has been sparkling thus far.
i'll tell you what though, lads, i know i have been a long time fan of both of them but i have to admit i'm surprisingly upset knowing that grosjean and magnussen are at the end of their time (for now) in the series - and that haas are fully going down the pay route. obviously i'll be back and excited for next season but it feels a bit like after kimi left and bmw/toyota dropped out in 2009, i'm surprisingly upset that this chapter of formula one is closing!
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Post by Bartman on Dec 6, 2020 0:07:32 GMT
russell in the red bull next year? :p
i'm kidding but i do wonder what happens if he has a convincing result this weekend. i don't see mercedes dropping bottas oor anything but, and it is a big but, if he actually wins the thing merc will surely have to get him in a good seat soonish. not sure what norris' contract situation is like but i wouldn't rule out seeing russell in ora---papaya in 2022, if lewis chooses to stick around.
kvyat finding form lately sure to give red bull more to think about and increase anxiety for poor albon.
sharl - lap one in the second austrian race aside - maybe a contender for driver of the season? he's simply outstanding.
i suppose we'd better wait for the race first.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 6, 2020 16:11:53 GMT
no malice or disrespect to seb ogier here, he is one of the GOATs, but i'm so so so disappointed for elfyn evans here. he put together a really solid and consistent campaign where others around him maybe weren't, came into the monza rally with a 14 point lead whick in the toyota more or less meant he just had to keep it on the road and get a top 5 finish. he made one mistake yesterday, found himself a little bit too far off the road to drive back on and lost it. neuville had a similarly daft incident on friday i think it was, clipped a concrete barrier and that was his championship over.
monza rally was really good, from what i have seen. reminds me of the classic rally GBs we used to see in the burns, gronholm, mcrae, sainz, makkinen and co era. very rally GB weather also - freezing, pishing with rain and sleet, mud everywhere and even some snow! as with the algarve and motogp & f1, i hope the that the monza rally becomes a regular feature on the WRC calendar.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 6, 2020 16:13:24 GMT
also under the "do they have a scottish granny?" rules we apply to the fitba, jack aitken is scottish (his da was born here) and so we are supporting him today, over the SASSANACH george russell.
obvs kidding, huge fan of george russell. i hope that the SNP/scottish government fund aitken into a seat next year however - i'll take the tax increase - to ensure scottish adjacent representation on the grid going forth  |
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Post by Bartman on Dec 6, 2020 17:20:29 GMT
i almost put money on perez too 😬😬😬
though if anyone can make anything out of that situation, he's the man
excellent start by george. bottas isn't always great on restarts so he might have a good shot here.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 6, 2020 17:45:57 GMT
PEREZ & RUSSELL IN THE MERCS NEXT YEAR PLEASE
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Post by Bartman on Dec 6, 2020 18:23:03 GMT
are you fucking kidding me ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
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Post by Bartman on Dec 6, 2020 18:42:37 GMT
i have ran out of emotions
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Post by Bartman on Dec 6, 2020 18:43:07 GMT
also valtteri bottas is the sete gibernau of f1
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Post by Bartman on Dec 6, 2020 18:53:25 GMT
17 years and 4 name changes but i am so glad that jordan won another race.
as sad as i am for george i am so happy for checo. of course the race he won was one of chaos, needing tyre management and a cool head among the chaos, plus a little bit of luck - and a drive through the field - was going to be this way. bless the boy.
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 6, 2020 22:03:24 GMT
i have ran out of emotions Seriously, that was all kinds of bonkers. Operationally, Mercedes deserve this. (Teams overall do), trying to be cute with unnecessary "safety" pitstops, double-stacks, pitting for softs for the fastest lap. It just had to happen today, when everyone actually wanted Mercedes to win.  Another race when Albon's finishing position is completely distorted by shenanigans. Sorry mate, you do not deserve the seat next year. With Max out, Leclerc out, Mercedes and Norris having a shocker, this was one for Red Bull. Leclerc almost torpedoed Vettel last race, today he does the daft divebomb again. He has overall done an astonishing season, but today serves as a defence of Seb, he isn't the only one deserving of criticism for trying to overcompensate for the shit car. |
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 6, 2020 22:08:18 GMT
Stroll also seriously flattered by circumstances there.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 6, 2020 22:48:12 GMT
i have ran out of emotions Seriously, that was all kinds of bonkers. Operationally, Mercedes deserve this. (Teams overall do), trying to be cute with unnecessary "safety" pitstops, double-stacks, pitting for softs for the fastest lap. It just had to happen today, when everyone actually wanted Mercedes to win. Another race when Albon's finishing position is completely distorted by shenanigans. Sorry mate, you do not deserve the seat next year. With Max out, Leclerc out, Mercedes and Norris having a shocker, this was one for Red Bull. Leclerc almost torpedoed Vettel last race, today he does the daft divebomb again. He has overall done an astonishing season, but today serves as a defence of Seb, he isn't the only one deserving of criticism for trying to overcompensate for the shit car. i've only just caught my breath. rueing not putting money on perez *after* the first lap now, i'm telling you...
yes. yes i agree with you. every time hamilton or verstappen pit from 2nd or 3rd with 4 laps to go to get the fastest lap i hope for a long pitstop or tyre mix up. tired of it. it was annoying when red bull did it back in the vettel/webber days and it sucks with this too. poor george though. having the race taken from him twice is just painful.
hopefully he can at least keep his points finish from today - at the very least he deserves it. one thing we know for sure is that he is the real deal. mercedes better look after him better than they did ocon and wehrlein because i would be making inquries if i were another factory or red bull.
this is one of the times in which, unless *something* turns up wrong with the honda in the back, i think albon's performance is inexcusable and not becoming of a red bull driver. were it not for an unlucky VSC, kvyat might've been involved with the podium battle today - albon should've been in that position. even if he'd been in that spot and simply outpowered by the panthers and renault, he at least would've been up there: albon was totally irrelevant today.
a few of sharl's first laps now have been disappointing - plus his moment of madness at istanbul right at the end. i think he generally has a better head on him than max but he does perhaps need to take a step back and look at the race long picture. he could've been up there today too and given their disasterous position in the constructor championship, any points would've been better than being 3rd halfway around lap one. i think seb has totally checked out now - he was absent.
after the bbc commentary ended i unmuted my sky stream and they tried to frame stroll as being unlucky vs russell, perez and ocon - nah mate he was just outclassed. russell in fairness was on new tyres and in the mega car but the other two should've been more of a fight. no beef with lance at all but perez in his current form teamed with a motivated vettel would be the best line up on the grid. easy.
i don't know what bottas has to do now. being beaten by hamilton is one thing but being beaten over the weekend by russell - an obvious talent but also a very young and very much untested talent - is a lot for him to take. maybe (likely?) we'll see them again next weekend on a more "normal" track but this has to be the biggest test of his career, for him and for wolff (who as we know has backed him for a decade plus now).
great race though, more of that please.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 6, 2020 22:52:42 GMT
also lots of respect to pietro and jack this weekend. only a few errors here and there (did pietro have an incident? there was a point before VSC when he was 25s off the back of kimi i think it was but i don't know if he had a puncture or an excursion or what? radio didn't cover it) but both kept pace and didn't get in the way of anybody's race. rumour is that pietro is indycar bound once again so hopefully he has a more involved race next week; as for jack, i hope williams or renault want him back full time going forth or aston sign him as the token british development driver because he's great. might be opportunities in FE soon and definitely in WEC with hypercar but he needs to be in full time, world championship level racing next year (or one of the top american or japanese series).
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 7, 2020 0:02:19 GMT
Seriously, that was all kinds of bonkers. Operationally, Mercedes deserve this. (Teams overall do), trying to be cute with unnecessary "safety" pitstops, double-stacks, pitting for softs for the fastest lap. It just had to happen today, when everyone actually wanted Mercedes to win. Another race when Albon's finishing position is completely distorted by shenanigans. Sorry mate, you do not deserve the seat next year. With Max out, Leclerc out, Mercedes and Norris having a shocker, this was one for Red Bull. Leclerc almost torpedoed Vettel last race, today he does the daft divebomb again. He has overall done an astonishing season, but today serves as a defence of Seb, he isn't the only one deserving of criticism for trying to overcompensate for the shit car. i've only just caught my breath. rueing not putting money on perez *after* the first lap now, i'm telling you...
yes. yes i agree with you. every time hamilton or verstappen pit from 2nd or 3rd with 4 laps to go to get the fastest lap i hope for a long pitstop or tyre mix up. tired of it. it was annoying when red bull did it back in the vettel/webber days and it sucks with this too. poor george though. having the race taken from him twice is just painful.
hopefully he can at least keep his points finish from today - at the very least he deserves it. one thing we know for sure is that he is the real deal. mercedes better look after him better than they did ocon and wehrlein because i would be making inquries if i were another factory or red bull.
this is one of the times in which, unless *something* turns up wrong with the honda in the back, i think albon's performance is inexcusable and not becoming of a red bull driver. were it not for an unlucky VSC, kvyat might've been involved with the podium battle today - albon should've been in that position. even if he'd been in that spot and simply outpowered by the panthers and renault, he at least would've been up there: albon was totally irrelevant today.
a few of sharl's first laps now have been disappointing - plus his moment of madness at istanbul right at the end. i think he generally has a better head on him than max but he does perhaps need to take a step back and look at the race long picture. he could've been up there today too and given their disasterous position in the constructor championship, any points would've been better than being 3rd halfway around lap one. i think seb has totally checked out now - he was absent.
after the bbc commentary ended i unmuted my sky stream and they tried to frame stroll as being unlucky vs russell, perez and ocon - nah mate he was just outclassed. russell in fairness was on new tyres and in the mega car but the other two should've been more of a fight. no beef with lance at all but perez in his current form teamed with a motivated vettel would be the best line up on the grid. easy.
i don't know what bottas has to do now. being beaten by hamilton is one thing but being beaten over the weekend by russell - an obvious talent but also a very young and very much untested talent - is a lot for him to take. maybe (likely?) we'll see them again next weekend on a more "normal" track but this has to be the biggest test of his career, for him and for wolff (who as we know has backed him for a decade plus now).
great race though, more of that please.
I also think that re: Max and Charles,but today was the opposite. (Unless Max was still trying to power through the run-off bit before the gravel?). Maybe Bahrain needs to use this layout every other year, or we go twice there instead of Yas Marina :p |
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