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Post by forgotten in space on Nov 4, 2020 12:45:44 GMT
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Post by Bartman on Nov 4, 2020 22:33:25 GMT
It would have been great to see Scotty take a final win for 2020 before heading to the US. But the car never seemed to be dialed in to the track all thru the lead up sessions. And each year I quietly hope for a winner from a smaller, less-funded team. Previous years I have had my money on Scott Pye for top spot (and he came 2nd each time  ) For 2020 I was just happy for anyone to win other than 2 cars. The first 888 car crashed out early (lap 33, what was Whincup thinking? totally impatient with a whole day of racing to go) and the other one dominated through the 7 minutes of rain there was and held position from that point on to take the win. Bah!  aye, he just always seemed that little bit off. not as much as to be concerning but *just* off by a tiny amount every lap. it would've been lovely for him to leave with a win at the mountain though... ...his debut was very solid i thought. very low key but he was very very impressive. st petersburg is not a track you want to make your debut at (save the 2018 race when you had two rookies lead 75 laps, two qualify on the second row and one came within a lap of winning but generally speaking...), with a full testing programme for the season i think he'll impress. i don't think he'll be under pressure to beat any of his team mates, at least not immediately, his focus should be getting the better of jimmie johnson! 
scott pye always runs well at bathurst - hopefully nexg year!
i went to bed after winchup threw it. that was ever so slightly uncharacteristic of him. i suppose all the greats sometimes have complete failures like that right enough but still. caught the rest of the race in the morning and it was fine - if a 888 car is going to win, i'm glad it was giz's and i've always like tander so that's fine.
i see de pasquale has officially left erebus now too, waiting for when the DJR move is official :p
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Post by Bartman on Nov 4, 2020 22:38:02 GMT
imo if formula one doesn't go full electric or hydrogen and doesn't short term adopt the crazy 2014-2017 LMP1 regs, they should just do an 180 on the environment stuff and bring back V16s imo. or go back to the 1980s turbo devils you need to change 4 times a weekend and qualifying tyres that last 3.5 miles before exploding. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Nov 4, 2020 22:59:21 GMT
aye, he just always seemed that little bit off. not as much as to be concerning but *just* off by a tiny amount every lap. it would've been lovely for him to leave with a win at the mountain though... ...his debut was very solid i thought. very low key but he was very very impressive. st petersburg is not a track you want to make your debut at (save the 2018 race when you had two rookies lead 75 laps, two qualify on the second row and one came within a lap of winning but generally speaking...), with a full testing programme for the season i think he'll impress. i don't think he'll be under pressure to beat any of his team mates, at least not immediately, his focus should be getting the better of jimmie johnson! 
scott pye always runs well at bathurst - hopefully nexg year!
i went to bed after winchup threw it. that was ever so slightly uncharacteristic of him. i suppose all the greats sometimes have complete failures like that right enough but still. caught the rest of the race in the morning and it was fine - if a 888 car is going to win, i'm glad it was giz's and i've always like tander so that's fine.
i see de pasquale has officially left erebus now too, waiting for when the DJR move is official :p
The most telling session of Scottys debut was the 90minute prac session. I watched him slowly get faster lap after lap. Will P put his car into P1 on the soft reds and Scotty went P2 with blacks still on. 12 minutes to go and he was the only driver in the top 9 to do that time on blacks. So I was getting excited to see what he could do in the last part of prac with reds.....unfortunately he never really adjusted to the grip.
And 90 minutes total in the car before a qualy session - c'mon thats a tough gig, so wasn't surprised where he finished there. Race looked good but with so many restarts from a SC he was up against there. I was very impressed overall and a bit proud he managed all of that only days out from being here in the B1000. Am looking forward to following my first full season of Indycar.... no longer just a part timer viewer 
Yep, just read about Anton. No secret really, but his team mates next step will be interesting as he recently signed a 10yr contract (unheard of!) and one year in is butting heads with Bettys team owner partner. Predicting Will Davo to get the other DJR seat.
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Post by Bartman on Nov 5, 2020 0:50:56 GMT
The most telling session of Scottys debut was the 90minute prac session. I watched him slowly get faster lap after lap. Will P put his car into P1 on the soft reds and Scotty went P2 with blacks still on. 12 minutes to go and he was the only driver in the top 9 to do that time on blacks. So I was getting excited to see what he could do in the last part of prac with reds.....unfortunately he never really adjusted to the grip.
And 90 minutes total in the car before a qualy session - c'mon thats a tough gig, so wasn't surprised where he finished there. Race looked good but with so many restarts from a SC he was up against there. I was very impressed overall and a bit proud he managed all of that only days out from being here in the B1000. Am looking forward to following my first full season of Indycar.... no longer just a part timer viewer
Yep, just read about Anton. No secret really, but his team mates next step will be interesting as he recently signed a 10yr contract (unheard of!) and one year in is butting heads with Bettys team owner partner. Predicting Will Davo to get the other DJR seat.
this was the one weekend that i barely saw anything of until the race as well! i read up on scotty's practice and listened to some of the radio commentary back and they were raving about him. scotty's approach is perfect for this kind of series - very dixon and newgarden-esque, which is a good start to say the least. he seems to appreciate that the indycar series is not a series you can expect to jump into any weekend and have pace. he did as much at the tests he had at the start of the season (CoTA definitely and i think also at sebring?) so if he keeps this approach up he can only get better.
it's always interesting to see drivers from other series come in and what their approaches are. marcus ericsson and felix rosenqvist, who in fairness has half a season of indy lights in 2015 under him, seem to take the sato-esque approach of finding the limit and then dialing back (which actually i think is a very swedish approach generally looking at history); alex palou is relentlessly consistent; scotty has interalised the penske method tremendously and works himself up. it's less spectacular but staggeringly effective.
indycar is a tremendous series. it's been my #1 series for the past decade or so, the glory of F1 in 2012 aside, so it's good to have you onside for the year mate!
jeezo i didn't realise that reynolds had a 10 year deal. crazy. i suppose at his age that'll give him good security right enough. from how you've described erebus and that partner before i can't say i'm surprised that's a heck of long deal for the team to commit to too. i'm well up for davison getting that ride. he had a strong on the mountain too actually and it'd be nice to see him in a top top team again!
have you seen much of james davo's nascar adventure thus far? backmarker team in old equipment and generally finishing 6-7 laps back, with zero practice and beyond indy no oval racing experience i'd say he's doing a cracking job just being able to to keep up with the other backmarkers. he's been very very impressive. hopefully he gets a run in the season finale next week.
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Post by ford71V8 on Nov 5, 2020 4:33:25 GMT
this was the one weekend that i barely saw anything of until the race as well! i read up on scotty's practice and listened to some of the radio commentary back and they were raving about him. scotty's approach is perfect for this kind of series - very dixon and newgarden-esque, which is a good start to say the least. he seems to appreciate that the indycar series is not a series you can expect to jump into any weekend and have pace. he did as much at the tests he had at the start of the season (CoTA definitely and i think also at sebring?) so if he keeps this approach up he can only get better.
it's always interesting to see drivers from other series come in and what their approaches are. marcus ericsson and felix rosenqvist, who in fairness has half a season of indy lights in 2015 under him, seem to take the sato-esque approach of finding the limit and then dialing back (which actually i think is a very swedish approach generally looking at history); alex palou is relentlessly consistent; scotty has interalised the penske method tremendously and works himself up. it's less spectacular but staggeringly effective.
indycar is a tremendous series. it's been my #1 series for the past decade or so, the glory of F1 in 2012 aside, so it's good to have you onside for the year mate!
jeezo i didn't realise that reynolds had a 10 year deal. crazy. i suppose at his age that'll give him good security right enough. from how you've described erebus and that partner before i can't say i'm surprised  that's a heck of long deal for the team to commit to too. i'm well up for davison getting that ride. he had a strong on the mountain too actually and it'd be nice to see him in a top top team again!
have you seen much of james davo's nascar adventure thus far? backmarker team in old equipment and generally finishing 6-7 laps back, with zero practice and beyond indy no oval racing experience i'd say he's doing a cracking job just being able to to keep up with the other backmarkers. he's been very very impressive. hopefully he gets a run in the season finale next week.
Scotty also got through his Indy500 testing. I really like how they run those tests in stages - ramping up the speeds progressively and letting the driver prove themselves step by step.
I still keep an eye on NASCAR but unfortunately our Fox channel dropped the ball last year and we only get a highlights package now (sometimes this can be good for a NASCAR race!) . James having that link with the 2 Davisons in V8SC meant that the local motorsport forums keep an eye on his performances and comment online.
And just read Will Davison locked in with DJR, so we have our 2 drivers now....no word on Fabians destination, only rumours still. Will back to DJR I never expected - funny how things work out. He lost his 2020 drive due to his teams sponsor bailing because of COVID, and my gut feel is that he was on for a great year in the Tickford stable. He looked to be starting the season strongly.... then he had a long wait to get back in a car as a codriver for Bathurst, and it was like he'd never left (and they came 2nd that day)
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Post by Bartman on Nov 6, 2020 12:12:10 GMT
Scotty also got through his Indy500 testing. I really like how they run those tests in stages - ramping up the speeds progressively and letting the driver prove themselves step by step.
I still keep an eye on NASCAR but unfortunately our Fox channel dropped the ball last year and we only get a highlights package now (sometimes this can be good for a NASCAR race!) . James having that link with the 2 Davisons in V8SC meant that the local motorsport forums keep an eye on his performances and comment online.
And just read Will Davison locked in with DJR, so we have our 2 drivers now....no word on Fabians destination, only rumours still. Will back to DJR I never expected - funny how things work out. He lost his 2020 drive due to his teams sponsor bailing because of COVID, and my gut feel is that he was on for a great year in the Tickford stable. He looked to be starting the season strongly.... then he had a long wait to get back in a car as a codriver for Bathurst, and it was like he'd never left (and they came 2nd that day)
aye, he did. there's the two races at texas before the 500 next year too so hopefully with a good test programme + those races he'll be comfortable in the 500 (then again, james davison might've won the thing a couple of years ago with barely any testing). penske was nowhere at indy last year so i hope for scotty they make themselves known in 2021! for sure, the rookie tests they hold there are smart. it puts an emphasis upon consistency which is crucial on those tracks and at those speeds. it is a bit funny though when you drivers like scotty or alonso, or when kurt busch and jacques villenueve ran in 2014, have to do the speed test almost as if they are at driving school! (2014 actually was especially funny as you also had montoya returning and so with him and villeneuve, you had two formers winners having to do the speed tests!)
oh brother, i can think of very few nascar races that i think wouldn't be better if the distance was measured in kms rather than miles... far too many 500 and 400 mile races for my liking. though even still, 500km race at phoenix this weekend...yawn. anyway, it's a shame that you lost the full race package because when it's good, it's really good. the xfinity series is my preferred series, the martinsville race last weekend was great.
it's good that people are aware at least! i think that he's done admirably thus far, being thrown into the cup series the way he has been. he was having a good run at daytona in the rain until the carnage started happening. not sure what next year holds for rick ware racing, i know that some of the other backmarker teams have charters for next year which might put a bit of pressure on them for results(bj mcleod's team is extremely professional, just without funding and until 2021, a charter) but i think the plan is for james to drive for them long term. i hope that he keeps his indy appearences up too, i always root for him.
yeah, will found himself back at DJR didn't he. quite a year he had, or didn't have, right enough. that's a good team that DJR have for next season, losing scotty (and fabian, i suppose) will be tough for them but with these two i think they'll be in safe hands. question, is the shell/penzoil sponsorship staying with DJR, even though they were brought in by penske, or is it too early to say?
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Post by Bartman on Nov 6, 2020 12:23:31 GMT
i thought that there was a grand prix this weekend. apparently not. apparently also the grand prix next week is at 10am for us (and forgotten in space too, right?), so alarms might be needed just in case. motogp this weekend should be a hoot. valencia. i don't rossi is back and lacuona is out in quarantine due to andorra's rules, which is a shame because he's had a quietly impressive season basically being the KTM test mule for espargaro, oliveira and binder and the only circuit he'd raced previously in the class is ricardo torno. he might be back for next weekend but it might be him until portugal now. i won't make any predictions because motogp has been wild this year and i don't want to jinx anybody but i think alex marquez has a shout to win a race in the coming weeks. joan mir is so close as well. nascar's season finisher this weekend too. elliott, hamlin, keselowski and logano are the final 4. i like chase elliott so that i hope that he wins. truex failed to make it because his team prioritised kyle busch winning a race over having truex and hamlin in the final 4... thankfully the FIA revised their superlicence points and are now saying that drivers with 75% of the 40 points (so 30) are eligible for one so the nascar-F1 pipeline is still in tact. ironically, still no haas drivers are eligible if my maths is right. |
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Post by forgotten in space on Nov 6, 2020 12:50:32 GMT
What is your take on the Yamaha decision
? Docking constructor points but not riders'.
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Post by Bartman on Nov 6, 2020 13:16:51 GMT
What is your take on the Yamaha decision ? Docking constructor points but not riders'. i understand it from the POV that it had nothing to do with the riders but to me, it's bullshit. if quartararo, vinales or morbidelli win the championship then yamaha will still get the benefit of that and they can still market the fact and get sponsorship from a world champion riding a yamaha. if what yamaha has done merits constructor points being dropped *imo* it follows that riders riding the bikes with modified engines should be docked points, even if that means handing the title effectively to joan mir.
plus they can still win the contructor's championship - and given how honda and aprillia are nowhere, ktm is still a developing project, there are only two suzukis and every since misano or so jack miller and andrea dovizisoso have been way back or in the gravel, yamaha probably will win! adding up to no real punishment at all. i'd rather they just got away with it and made a deal with the FIM in the post-season like ferrari and the FIA last year promising not to use the magic engine.
tyrell got disqualified from the entire formula one championship in 1984 - as were their drivers. it wasn't the fault of martin brundle or stefan belhoff or stefan johansson but they drove the cars that were illegal as much as valentino rossi, maverick vinales, fabio quartararo and franco morbidelli rode bikes with illegal modifications.
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Post by Bartman on Nov 6, 2020 14:49:27 GMT
suzuki with the more or less expected response
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Post by ford71V8 on Nov 7, 2020 0:07:15 GMT
aye, he did. there's the two races at texas before the 500 next year too so hopefully with a good test programme + those races he'll be comfortable in the 500 (then again, james davison might've won the thing a couple of years ago with barely any testing). penske was nowhere at indy last year so i hope for scotty they make themselves known in 2021! for sure, the rookie tests they hold there are smart. it puts an emphasis upon consistency which is crucial on those tracks and at those speeds. it is a bit funny though when you drivers like scotty or alonso, or when kurt busch and jacques villenueve ran in 2014, have to do the speed test almost as if they are at driving school! (2014 actually was especially funny as you also had montoya returning and so with him and villeneuve, you had two formers winners having to do the speed tests!)
oh brother, i can think of very few nascar races that i think wouldn't be better if the distance was measured in kms rather than miles... far too many 500 and 400 mile races for my liking. though even still, 500km race at phoenix this weekend...yawn. anyway, it's a shame that you lost the full race package because when it's good, it's really good. the xfinity series is my preferred series, the martinsville race last weekend was great.
it's good that people are aware at least! i think that he's done admirably thus far, being thrown into the cup series the way he has been. he was having a good run at daytona in the rain until the carnage started happening. not sure what next year holds for rick ware racing, i know that some of the other backmarker teams have charters for next year which might put a bit of pressure on them for results(bj mcleod's team is extremely professional, just without funding and until 2021, a charter) but i think the plan is for james to drive for them long term. i hope that he keeps his indy appearences up too, i always root for him.
yeah, will found himself back at DJR didn't he. quite a year he had, or didn't have, right enough. that's a good team that DJR have for next season, losing scotty (and fabian, i suppose) will be tough for them but with these two i think they'll be in safe hands. question, is the shell/penzoil sponsorship staying with DJR, even though they were brought in by penske, or is it too early to say?
Looks like Shell are staying onboard...Ludo the best engineer in the paddock is staying with them also (thought he'd been poached by Penske with Scotty) Shell have a big history with DJR before Penske - think of the Sierra days  Sorry for invading your F1 thread with Supercars fellas ! |
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Post by ford71V8 on Nov 7, 2020 0:08:46 GMT
Ah, and I did not realise that the 2 F1 drivers had to go to driving school - haha - thats hilarious, but I do like that Indy stuck to their programs and made every driver go through the process.
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Post by Bartman on Nov 7, 2020 1:33:11 GMT
Looks like Shell are staying onboard...Ludo the best engineer in the paddock is staying with them also (thought he'd been poached by Penske with Scotty) Shell have a big history with DJR before Penske - think of the Sierra days Sorry for invading your F1 thread with Supercars fellas ! aw maaaaaaaan i love that car so much. the ford sierra is one of my favourite touring cars of all time. they are featured on project cars 2 and i always want to drive with them but i'm too bad, especially only being able to use a controller :p but easily one of my favourite racing cars...i had several toys of it when i was young
i mind us talking/speculating over the past couple of months but it seems that DJR have come out alright from the penske withdrawal and taking one of the best drivers of the current generation. keeping key personnel, hopefully keeping shell, new and smart owners, probably the second best line up in the series...not bad!
yes, indycar makes everyone undertake their rookie training at indianapolis and before their first oval. even if you've raced 100 oval races before your first 500, you have to undertake training. part-timer that missed a year or two (alonso for example, regulars like pippa mann, buddy lazier (former winner), stefan wilson, tristan vautier...refresher training), even if you've raced in formula one you have to do your training before you can race, former winner away for a while...you get me. it's good. for all the flack people give indycar for danger and exposing drivers to risk, i can't think of a series that is more thorough and takes the safety of its drivers more seriously than indycar. from having their own specialised safety crew, advancing the use of HANS devices, SAFER barriers and the like, the driver training and even facing down the FIA re the halo and developing their own alternative the indycar series is very good on safety and not taking anything for granted.
all motor racing chat is welcome here boys. F1 is one of the least exciting things happening at the moment, though the last couple of races have been really good, so anything goes the more the merrier!!
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Post by Bartman on Nov 7, 2020 1:39:40 GMT
mare for yamaha today - as well as the contructor penalty, several members of vinales' crew have tested positive for the rona, he's starting from the pitlane on sunday because he's run out of his engine allocation and the team are fearful for the rest of quartararo and morbidelli's allocations...
turns out rossi is back at least!
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Post by Bartman on Nov 8, 2020 13:25:53 GMT
yamaha doing their best impression of ferrari in 2020 here 🤦♀️
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Post by Bartman on Nov 8, 2020 13:46:54 GMT
it'd be fucking class if, despite this season being completely wide open, joan mir somehow manages to win the title with a race in hand
it'd be ace if portimão had a title decider though
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Post by Bartman on Nov 8, 2020 14:05:58 GMT
three spaniards on the podium (it is motogp after all), has there been a time in formula one when this has happened?
my presumption would be that if it happened it'd be three italians on the early 1950s or three british from the late 1950s to late 1960s. i considered germans more recently but i think MSC, RSC, heidfeld, vettel, rosberg and glock's podium days never aligned with each other.
there's the indy 500s in the 1950s if you'd want to count that - they were part of the championship after all but they weren't formula one
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Post by forgotten in space on Nov 8, 2020 18:23:32 GMT
three spaniards on the podium (it is motogp after all), has there been a time in formula one when this has happened? my presumption would be that if it happened it'd be three italians on the early 1950s or three british from the late 1950s to late 1960s. i considered germans more recently but i think MSC, RSC, heidfeld, vettel, rosberg and glock's podium days never aligned with each other. there's the indy 500s in the 1950s if you'd want to count that - they were part of the championship after all but they weren't formula one Who was there before Alonso? Luis Perez Sala? Marc Gene? And then Sainz Jr? Guess nothing close to it ever happened :p |
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Post by forgotten in space on Nov 8, 2020 18:27:38 GMT
Maybe same nationality podium was the French in the 80s? Arnoux, Prost, Tambay etc
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Post by Bartman on Nov 8, 2020 19:01:16 GMT
Maybe same nationality podium was the French in the 80s? Arnoux, Prost, Tambay etc aye, i meant same nationality rather than all spaniards, i should've been clearer :p that's another possible one - i will fire wiki up at half time in the seahawks game |
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Post by forgotten in space on Nov 10, 2020 8:28:54 GMT
Hanoi already scrapped. Maybe I won't feel conditioned to keep playing it in the game:p |
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Post by Bartman on Nov 10, 2020 17:29:29 GMT
Hanoi already scrapped. Maybe I won't feel conditioned to keep playing it in the game:p on the day that they announce a race is being dropped, they still announce a 23 race calendar
i know that vietnam falling off the calendar is not related to coronavirus but it still speaks to their ceaseless optimism that they expect to pull that off :p
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Post by Bartman on Nov 12, 2020 13:54:40 GMT
when the cars burl through turn 8 tomorrow, it's going to be an astonishing mechanical and aerodynamic feat and also completely ruin the mystique of the corner innit
kind of like how maggotts and becketts is an incredible visual and sight but the driving challenge is not what it once was.
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Post by Bartman on Nov 14, 2020 12:19:11 GMT
i have no idea what has been happening this weekend
i think that heikki kovalainen's Q1 time in 2011 was quickest than verstappen's P2 best
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Post by forgotten in space on Nov 14, 2020 12:53:11 GMT
They completely messed up with the new asphalt. And Pirelli allocated the hardest of all compounds before knowing about it :|
This is a bit of a farce.
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Post by Bartman on Nov 14, 2020 13:11:10 GMT
there's every chance it might be somewhat entertaining once we get past the nonsense
i forgot that there was a WEC race the day too. i think i would rather watch LMP1s for 10 more years rather than these cars.
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Post by Bartman on Nov 14, 2020 13:52:53 GMT
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Post by forgotten in space on Nov 14, 2020 13:56:37 GMT
But everything is under investigation, isn't it? What a joke.
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Post by Bartman on Nov 14, 2020 14:04:43 GMT
But everything is under investigation, isn't it? What a joke. let me have this one glimmer of happiness
magnussen got fucking screwed, that's for sure.
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that's a heck of long deal for the team to commit to too.