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Post by Bartman on Sept 6, 2020 15:05:43 GMT
FORZA MINARDI
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 6, 2020 15:13:41 GMT
I should have drank more beer to be joyous, Hamilton with the extra point loses nothing to Bottas :(
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 6, 2020 15:17:07 GMT
Latifi so eloquent after driving a full race, sheer class there.
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Post by Bartman on Sept 6, 2020 15:32:11 GMT
between this race and the tour de france stage being almost as mad, i had to go and wash the dishes just to calm down I should have drank more beer to be joyous, Hamilton with the extra point loses nothing to Bottas :( yep, we have a crazy and topsy turvey race and the championship doesn't change. in fact, verstappen not scoring is probably a net benefit to hamilton. bleak.
the race itself was great. almost like how motogp has been all year without marquez and the honda factory team struggling and yamaha's race pace being very patchy, it's wide open and exciting and almost anyone can win a race - there's been 3 first time winners from 5 races so far! including tech3 getting their first win, essentially the toro rosso of motogp - and so the championship is appropriately close.
today felt almost like they gave us a treat, a fun race without any real consequence to the championship. i definitely won't complain of course but knowing that it hasn't really changed the championship picture is a bit disappointing.
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Post by Bartman on Sept 6, 2020 15:49:50 GMT
fucking love franz tost on sky there totally shooting down the idea of having a party after winning the race
"i have to go to a meeting in vienna now and they should be going to get ready for mugello next weekend! maybe we can have a party in december..."
i'm sure i read that he is kvyat's biggest backer in red bull because during the insane training camps he sends the drivers on, kvyat was the most dedicated and willing to, basically, punish himself, which helped him back into the team in 2019. tost seems terrifying but the most sincere of the team principles.
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 6, 2020 16:03:58 GMT
This is will easily be the worst episode of the Netflix documentary because inevitably we will have infinite footage of Sainz's cousin shouting "venga venga venga" in the garage. :P
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Post by Bartman on Sept 6, 2020 22:32:55 GMT
i mean if you just remove the mercs and verstappen from things, this is a 2012 level of open season:
Latifi so eloquent after driving a full race, sheer class there. it was so lovely, wasn't it? same with george russell. you could really hear how emotional they were too.
i must admit, i found myself feeling a little emotional this weekend as it really hit me that the williams family were leaving F1. they were never my favourite team but i always respected them and as much as i criticsed them over squandering the BMW relationship, they always strove to be an independent constructor that did things the way they wanted to/thought was right. the team is still maybe the last of the true independent teams (even if mr wolff has been able to exert some influence over the past few years) and i hope that they continue to retain that characteristic going forth.
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Post by ford71V8 on Sept 7, 2020 3:06:22 GMT
New Senna Netflix series announced. The movie was excellent, gonna be tough to better.
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 7, 2020 8:55:04 GMT
New Senna Netflix series announced. The movie was excellent, gonna be tough to better. Senna had ridiculous charisma and was a very mercurial character, if it's a biopic, I wouldn't want to be in that actor's shoes.
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 8, 2020 12:01:11 GMT
Williams CEO O'Driscoll is 64 and has just announced his retirement, so there goes Doritos' habit of working with the existing management teams...
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Post by Bartman on Sept 8, 2020 17:56:58 GMT
seen a lot of folk syaing the race on sunday was the best of the hybrid era - including the race writing a whole article about it!
i thought it was excellent and exciting even before magnussen broke down and things went off the rails, it was maybe looking to be an interesting race: would bottas finish on the podium, potential double podium for mclaren, how long would leclerc hold up, the renault/pink merc race etc. obviously the result was a delight and sainz in pursuit of gasly in those last laps gave us a finish we rarely see.
as dull as the overarching hybird era has been - i didn't realise until yesterday that this was first race in 7.5 YEARS that wasn't won by a merc, red bull or ferrari - there have still been some fantastic and exciting races in that time: bahrain 2014, canada 2014, hungary 2014, hungary 2015, brazil 2019, usa 2018, azerbaijan 2017, austria 2016 and 2019 to name a few. i personally don't want to rank and rate races, or to detract from sunday, because the joy and excitement that these races bring are unique to their own historical circumstance: i can't remember the 2008 italian grand prix being terribly exciting but i remember being overjoyed that sebastian vettel won his first grand prix and that toro rosso, minardi, won their first grand prix. similarly, a lot of the excitement of sunday was centered on it being likely that gasly, sainz or stroll were going to win a grand prix: it wasn't decided on the track beyond the restart and stroll having wheelspin, though sainz tried, but the event was very exciting - as our posts here show! there's just a tendency within sports media to call everything the best thing ever, every time something nice or good happens (i got into beef with the wrestling observer newsletter about something similar in MMA this weekend, so it's a bugbear of mine :p)
i tell you what is worrying me now though...
if toro rosso or haas win races every other month because of the reverse grid, the excitement of sunday stops being exciting. it's the same as the reverse grid race in GP2 and GP3: finishing 8th in the first race and finishing 1st in the second is cool and all but everybody thinks that you probably didn't have the best car and likely not the best performance over the weekend - whether that's the truth or not. a sprint will be exciting and fun but the race on sunday afternoon over 310km is always going to be the important one: a sprint race is just adds more races to dilute a calendar that is already at 22 races (in a non-rona year) and lasts 9 months.
artificial excitement detracts from the very real excitement of races like sunday, or germany 2019, or the monaco race with 3 finishers that panis won. like with cinema, i can't remember who said it zizek or deleuze or someone, but if everything can be created via CGI as opposed to analogue set design and animation, the possibility of imagination and the possibility of infinity will decrease: if pierre gasly can have a shot to win a 20 lap race every weekend, the excitement of him winning the big one on a sunday is less because he's already done it, even if it isn't quite the same.
anyway, the race on sunday was fucking class and once race per weekend is fine by me. qualifying should be one lap or a one hour open session, or merged with practice imo. also keep the standing starts after red flags.
Senna had ridiculous charisma and was a very mercurial character, if it's a biopic, I wouldn't want to be in that actor's shoes. yep, the person cast to play senna certainly has a lot to live up to.
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Post by Bartman on Sept 8, 2020 17:59:34 GMT
Williams CEO O'Driscoll is 64 and has just announced his retirement, so there goes Doritos' habit of working with the existing management teams... i wouldn't rule out that he left voluntarily, either to give them a fresh start of with his age not being bothered anymore...
...or maybe doritos decided the organisation needed a fresh start given how it's been over the past decade :p
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 8, 2020 18:11:46 GMT
seen a lot of folk syaing the race on sunday was the best of the hybrid era - including the race writing a whole article about it!
i thought it was excellent and exciting even before magnussen broke down and things went off the rails, it was maybe looking to be an interesting race: would bottas finish on the podium, potential double podium for mclaren, how long would leclerc hold up, the renault/pink merc race etc. obviously the result was a delight and sainz in pursuit of gasly in those last laps gave us a finish we rarely see.
as dull as the overarching hybird era has been - i didn't realise until yesterday that this was first race in 7.5 YEARS that wasn't won by a merc, red bull or ferrari - there have still been some fantastic and exciting races in that time: bahrain 2014, canada 2014, hungary 2014, hungary 2015, brazil 2019, usa 2018, azerbaijan 2017, austria 2016 and 2019 to name a few. i personally don't want to rank and rate races, or to detract from sunday, because the joy and excitement that these races bring are unique to their own historical circumstance: i can't remember the 2008 italian grand prix being terribly exciting but i remember being overjoyed that sebastian vettel won his first grand prix and that toro rosso, minardi, won their first grand prix. similarly, a lot of the excitement of sunday was centered on it being likely that gasly, sainz or stroll were going to win a grand prix: it wasn't decided on the track beyond the restart and stroll having wheelspin, though sainz tried, but the event was very exciting - as our posts here show! there's just a tendency within sports media to call everything the best thing ever, every time something nice or good happens (i got into beef with the wrestling observer newsletter about something similar in MMA this weekend, so it's a bugbear of mine :p)
i tell you what is worrying me now though...
if toro rosso or haas win races every other month because of the reverse grid, the excitement of sunday stops being exciting. it's the same as the reverse grid race in GP2 and GP3: finishing 8th in the first race and finishing 1st in the second is cool and all but everybody thinks that you probably didn't have the best car and likely not the best performance over the weekend - whether that's the truth or not. a sprint will be exciting and fun but the race on sunday afternoon over 310km is always going to be the important one: a sprint race is just adds more races to dilute a calendar that is already at 22 races (in a non-rona year) and lasts 9 months.
artificial excitement detracts from the very real excitement of races like sunday, or germany 2019, or the monaco race with 3 finishers that panis won. like with cinema, i can't remember who said it zizek or deleuze or someone, but if everything can be created via CGI as opposed to analogue set design and animation, the possibility of imagination and the possibility of infinity will decrease: if pierre gasly can have a shot to win a 20 lap race every weekend, the excitement of him winning the big one on a sunday is less because he's already done it, even if it isn't quite the same.
anyway, the race on sunday was fucking class and once race per weekend is fine by me. qualifying should be one lap or a one hour open session, or merged with practice imo. also keep the standing starts after red flags.
Senna had ridiculous charisma and was a very mercurial character, if it's a biopic, I wouldn't want to be in that actor's shoes. yep, the person cast to play senna certainly has a lot to live up to. I agree with you overall, when I happen to watch GP2 I never ever bother with the sprint race. Of course it might end up being a good one, just like any other, but I always think it "doesn't count." :p
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Post by Bartman on Sept 8, 2020 21:15:16 GMT
obviously property is theft yaddy yadda but we should ban property development imo:
nascar is framing it as them being gracious and listening to the fans by giving them a 0.5 mile short track when in reality nascar has been wanting to build on or even sell off some of the land for years now - obviously a 0.5 mile oval takes up less space than a 2 mile oval. the track used to be a haven for indycar and had the reputation for being the fastest track in CART - faster even than indianapolis in quali trim. it holds the record for the fastest closed circuit lap time (as avg speed) ever recorded, gil de ferran recording an average speed of 241.428 mph/388.541 km/h during qualifying for the 2000 CART race and the track held until 2014 the record for fastest ever 500 mile race at 2:33:42 (the 2014 race at pocono smashed that by over four minutes though).
when penske left CART in 2002, the track moved to the IRL and then eventually open wheeled cars stopped going there. penske also built the track before merging their track management division with nascar's. for years only nascar raced there and in that time penske's influence had dwindled to non-existence. indycar returned for a few years from 2012 on and insisted on racing into the night on a saturday and being the season finale - giving the series even worse ratings and in their second most important race (i think one year the race finished at 22:30 local time and thus 01:30am on the east coast (and 06:30am here )). in 2015, indycar insisted on another date and the only date nascar would give them was a saturday afternoon at the end of june. being california, it was some 40c and the race day attendance was only around 3000 (1/40th full). it was also one of the most exciting races of all time* - there were officially 80 lead changes over 250 laps however the lead often changed 4-5 times a lap. just with the same car leading at the start and end of the lap - and of course, in true indycar fashion, it ended in a terrifying accident. also in true indycar fashion, airing at midday on a saturday, television viewers were low (though it did do spectacular numbers in bars with casuals!). also in true indycar fashion, they never went back. with indycar and penske out the way, nascar were basically free to do whatever they wanted and taking note of the california land prices (especially in the los angeles area) nascar decided that it wanted to BUILD condos or sell expensive land in order to BUILD condos. attendance has been falling for years now but nascar but zero effort into advertising any of its events - NBC sports and MAVTV, who aired and sponsored indycar events there did more work - and the racing has been unspectacular - due to the aero package that nascar mandates for it. i am sure that the new half mile track will be great and nice for the fans, i'm sure also that the cool buck nascar will make from development will also be great for them.
maybe brewdog can put one of their bars there. keep the new folk hydrated.
*you know that italian grand prix when like 6 cars crossed the line within 1.5s of each other? it was like that but for 3 hours. when you have mad lads like jp montoya, tony kanaan, will power, helio castroneves, takuma sato, graham rahal, ryan briscoe etc up front all day too you know that it was crazy shit they were pulling.
(lap 1 or lap 200 i honestly don't know)
I agree with you overall, when I happen to watch GP2 I never ever bother with the sprint race. Of course it might end up being a good one, just like any other, but I always think it "doesn't count." :p i remember during the 2016 GP2 season when we had all of those great gasly vs giovinazzi races, satuday was appointment viewing for me. it was class. the 2016 feature race at sepang was one of my favourite races that year, so good. but the sprint race was usually skipped. even though it meant something, it felt like it meant nothing.
i don't mind the partially reversed grid in BTCC because it's only one out of three races in a meeting and i can accept a little more gimmicks in touring car racing. in formula racing - per the FIA, the second most important open wheel series in the world! - there's no place for it.
the only f1 support race for me is the porsche supercup :p
as an aside, i don't mind actual format of the BTCC: the race one grid is decided based on a 25 minute qualifying session, race two is decided by race one finishing positions and race three is the reverse grid. what is good with the BTCC format though is that it is partially random the point at which they reverse the grid. the grid can only be reversed as far back as 12th position and what they do is, between race two and three each meeting, pull a number out at random and the grid is reversed from that number down i.e. number 8 is picked and so on pole would be 8th place from the last race, 7th starts 2nd, 6th starts 3rd etc all the way back to the race two winner starting 8th and then the grid carries as normal. it's good because it discourages drivers from just settling for a 11th/12th place finish or from drivers taking excessive risks and causing carnage (ironic for BTCC :p) over the lower points positions. also, because there is a success ballast system in the BTCC that is dependent on your previous race results it means that a driver can't win race one, have the 60kg added and let themselves slide down to 12th, and start race three on pole with no ballast again. the race is still full points but as far as reverse grids go, it is probably the fairest and most sporting form of it.
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Post by Bartman on Sept 8, 2020 22:33:31 GMT
Hitech
Hitech Racing
Hitech Racing Team
HRT.
call karthikeyan and de la rosa ASAP. we're getting the band back together.
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 8, 2020 22:59:45 GMT
Is NASCAR that desperate for cash? :| or it's just capitalists gonna capitalist?
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Post by Bartman on Sept 8, 2020 23:37:18 GMT
Is NASCAR that desperate for cash? :| or it's just capitalists gonna capitalist? latter, i'd assume. they probably aren't making much money off the circuit at all with the poor attendances and FOX & NBC pay them for 39 or whatever races a year no matter what the venue is so i understand the business case - but the business case is due to almost 20 years of neglect after roger penske stopped being the sole proprietor. super gt had planned to race there (but iirc a typhoon got in the way, so they held their foreign race at sepang instead ¯\_(ツ)_/¯) and i'm sure that GRAND-AM and ALMS into the WEC could've considered it viable had nascar not left the infield road course to rot.
the site sits just along the road from the old ontario speedway which was regarded as the "indianapolis of the west", itself sold to build a hilton, mixed use development, interstate adjacent housing and an entertainment centre. in the case of auto club/fontana there will at least still be a race track on site but it's still disappointing to lose another track that, in its short history, was extremely emblematic and iconic for open wheel racing.
the chicagoland speedway looks to be on the same path and there's been an uncomfortable amount of murmurs regarding sonoma/sears point also. the former for years has been a prime site for development and, again, with nascar being its only client and on one weekend a year...who is to stop them?
for sonoma, their president more or less since the track opened is stepping down at the end of the year. they lost their indycar date to laguna seca (that track in itself is a story atm) and top level american sportscars haven't gone there since the reunification (i think world challenge goes?), WTCC lasted a couple of years but other than that it's...nascar. who run one weekend a year with the cup series and with the west coast series (the west coast series only runs the premier west coast track once a year, on the undercard of nascar, go figure). sonoma is owned by a different company - speedway motorsports, which is owned by the same fella that operates charlotte motor speedway. it isn't within ISC/nascar/the french family but it's extremely close, with charlotte essentially being the base for nascar and its adjacent industries (even penske's indycar team is based out of charlotte). the company is known for buying independent circuits and putting their tracks onto the schedule in their place - meaning there is very few independently owned circuits on the calendar and effectively closing shop for a lot of non-nascar affiliated series, indycar being a notable victim.
both circuits were taken off of the calendar very early on in the coronavirus and originally scheduled for june. it should be pointed out that illinois and california generally had more cautious approaches to the coronavirus and interstate travel but it should also be said that imsa didn't cancel its laguna seca round outright and that indycar only postponed its west coast races officially as a cost reduction (but politics, local and less local played a huge part in that). virginia also had stricter coronavirus rules in place that neighbouring states but martinsville still held a nascar race. in june. so feel free to read between the lines there.
tl;dr capitalists are gonna capitalist and knocking down a race track in a desirable place in order to build condos is going to be profitable for the landlord even if the landlord is a racing series.
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 9, 2020 21:48:15 GMT
As if the civilisational/cultural landscape changing, with cars not the allure of yesterday, wasn't enough in difficulting regeneration of audiences, they have to go and do sketchy stuff like that...
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 9, 2020 21:48:56 GMT
Jimmie Johnson to Indycar and Checo out of Force India :o
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Post by Bartman on Sept 9, 2020 22:21:45 GMT
As if the civilisational/cultural landscape changing, with cars not the allure of yesterday, wasn't enough in difficulting regeneration of audiences, they have to go and do sketchy stuff like that... i think the thing is, with nascar in particular, they are desperate to reach a moneyed, middle class and, dare i say, yuppie type audience. nascar and indycar both have been looking at returning to nashville for a few years now, being one of the booming cities in the south/adjacent to the midwest, and the cup series is going there in next year and indycar is looking set to have a street circuit* there for 2022.
i get that motorsports need money and need an audience. i also get that motorsports has always needed lots of money and sponsors in order to, like, exist. but i am still of the mind that motorsport, as a spectator, is one of the great egalitarian sports - rich or poor, watching a superbike or touring car fly through the at knockhill, or fly through pouhon, or down the dipper at mount panorama, is an enthralling sight to see! the reason it appealed to me as a three year old was seeing these multi-coloured missile things dive around at 200mph; as nice and profitable as it'll be to have a short track next to LA, surrounded by expensive condos and serving the nicest craft ales, and it'll be a nice night out for those that can afford to be let in to watch, i amn't sure what it'll do to appeal to the ordinary person. idk.
Jimmie Johnson to Indycar and Checo out of Force India :o busy afternoon, right?
checo out at jordan shocked me - it was him and his management team that allowed stroll to buy the team in the first place! i hope that the stroll family have sorted them out financially and, perhaps, with a job for next year. i'd be worried if i were driving a haas or alfa with this news though! (i'm assuming that renault alpine won't drop ocon so soon...)
johnson hooking up with ganassi is very interesting though! he certainly impressed the team with his approach in his tests but his timing, though unofficial, was not said to be great (though we don't know what his fuel load was, what tyres firestone provided or what kind of downforce they gave him give his stock car experience). fordy and i have been speculating about scott mclaughlin joining penske and them expanding to four cars (despite their team principle's aversion to it). with andretti running 3 or 6 cars, depending on how you count it, and penske running a minimum of 3, ganassi fielding 4 on the road courses next year certainly sets up an interesting dynamic! mclaren are also looking to expand and rahal-letterman-lannigan-sato-honda-rahal-etc racing want to add pigot on full time...it's a boom time for indycar!
if you'd told me three years ago that scott dixon, felix rosenqvist, marcus ericsson and jimmie johnson would all be racing in the same series, let alone as teammates, i'd probably pass out but it seems like that's what we're going to see next season. sweet.
(i so hope checo lands somewhere in f1, he's such a good driver)
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Post by Bartman on Sept 10, 2020 12:16:37 GMT
vettel/stroll is a fine line up, definitely a strong midfield combo. vettel/perez would probably have been next best to hamiton/bottas and leclerc/sainz in 2021 - it's probably better than verstappen/albon or gasly and ricciardo/norris overall.
i wish all the best for seb at aston martin. i'm really optimistic for the team going foreward and i hope that stroll can learn a lot of from him.
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 11, 2020 17:56:45 GMT
I hope they don't consistently give Seb the Perez strategy so that Lance finishes ahead of him :p
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Post by Bartman on Sept 12, 2020 0:32:31 GMT
mclaren are saying that they'd sign perez to their indycar programme. i can't honestly say i have ever heard any rumours surrounding perez even having a remote interest in the series, beyoned maybe racing the 500. perez strikes me as being a driver focused on f1 above anything - racing point owes its existence to him, in many ways - so i'd be curious to see if he would pick a decent indycar ride, though he'd have no experience on any circuit, over a spot with alfa or haas (those being the only teams i could foresee having vacancies). they did this with hulk last year and so if perez denies them but if another tenured driver comes available by season's end, it'd be interesting to see if that invitation is extended further. the real twist would be perez joining alphatauri :p as for mclaren and indycar, i don't think perez will go next year but i do think there will be at least one other mclaren alumni racing for them at some point in 2021... (based off of nothing but my own speculation, a little bit of history and also my own hopes and dreams)
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 12, 2020 4:30:05 GMT
mclaren are saying that they'd sign perez to their indycar programme. i can't honestly say i have ever heard any rumours surrounding perez even having a remote interest in the series, beyoned maybe racing the 500. perez strikes me as being a driver focused on f1 above anything - racing point owes its existence to him, in many ways - so i'd be curious to see if he would pick a decent indycar ride, though he'd have no experience on any circuit, over a spot with alfa or haas (those being the only teams i could foresee having vacancies). they did this with hulk last year and so if perez denies them but if another tenured driver comes available by season's end, it'd be interesting to see if that invitation is extended further. the real twist would be perez joining alphatauri :p as for mclaren and indycar, i don't think perez will go next year but i do think there will be at least one other mclaren alumni racing for them at some point in 2021... (based off of nothing but my own speculation, a little bit of history and also my own hopes and dreams) AlphaTauri? You think they're not going to push for Tsunoda? (Honda hasn't commited beyond 2021, so not sure how much influence they have in their setup) Also Red Bull seems to need an experienced driver more than them. :P
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Post by Bartman on Sept 12, 2020 12:19:00 GMT
AlphaTauri? You think they're not going to push for Tsunoda? (Honda hasn't commited beyond 2021, so not sure how much influence they have in their setup) Also Red Bull seems to need an experienced driver more than them. :P oh no, i was just saying that that'd be the really shocking possibility of all the ones available :p
red bull (as a whole) is in kind of a bind there because honda are really, really behind tsunoda but i would want to give him a couple of seasons in F2 first, even if he wins in his first season, before putting him into formula one. if he's to be a long-term player i don't think they need to rush him*. if i had to take a honda backed japanese driver, i would be more interested in naoki yamamoto - even if he is 32 - or even nobuharu matsushita, who has years of experience in europe, but red bull loves youth, so we'll see. if honda are wavering, i think i would be trying my best to keep them on board of course! with that said 2022 regs in theory will put an emphasis back onto power, no? honda have not been strong in that department over the past couple of years.
*the again, sato entered f1 immediately off of winning british f3 and is still a factory driver - winning their past two indy 500s, so there you go!
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Post by Bartman on Sept 12, 2020 12:59:30 GMT
absolute bullshit
liberty clearly learning nothing from nascar, dtm and indycar and seeing that closed shops kills car counts and further stratifies the existing teams lol.
if zak brown is worried about his share of prize money falling, maybe mclaren should always make sure that they have a competitive car then? for sure, only paying prize money to the top 10 teams killed off caterham, marussia & hrt and effectively offed sauber as an independent concern but that's the risk you take when you enter motorsports(they were also lied to re budget caps too but that's another story)! i don't really think someone like prodrive or campos or that asian team that always gets rumoured or a future manufacturer like BMW, nissan, VW really owe zak brown or larry stroll or doritos anything for wanting to join the grid.
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 12, 2020 16:12:17 GMT
And it's a whole season's and a third more of budget money. :|
Funny it comes out when the whole Racing Point/Haas saga has just been settled.
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 12, 2020 16:14:53 GMT
That was a farcical F2 race. The first safety car was a bit stupid, Zhou accelerating into a gap between two cars practically on a corner entry, and Schumacher inherits the championship lead after doing nothing all race. (And his car didn't get any damage when Aitken and Zhou were dead on the spot).
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Post by Bartman on Sept 12, 2020 17:32:55 GMT
And it's a whole season's and a third more of budget money. :| Funny it comes out when the whole Racing Point/Haas saga has just been settled. aye, it's a fucking disgrace imo. i saw some justification of it being to stop USF1 or stefan grand prix or phoenix types from taking one of the available slots and pissing around with drawings of front wings and trying to jose maria lopez but it's not as if there's a line of teams waiting to join the series or that $200 fucking million is easy to come across atm.
i saw an idea put forth i think from sam collins saying that it'd be a better scheme if the $200 million acted as a deposit that can be repaid either over a couple of seasons or when the team exits formula one. that's slightly better as it at least demonstrates the capability to fund a team over two-three seasons and pay the money back, but i think with the cost of entry already being so prohibitive, if a group have enough to fund a couple of seasons they should be let in! if the car is too slow, well enforce the 107% rule. easy.
haas i don't mind because they've always been up front about wanting to make money out this and were honest enought to admit that's why they've behaved how they've behaved. fucking zak brown crying about how it isn't fair that he'll get less prize money because of the new concorde agreement, so this is only fair, can get so far fucked. design a strong car and get paid - there's already a budget cap and mercedes will build and maintain your engine/power unit for you. i'd take 40 cars, 20 of which are barely GP2 cars, trying to pre-qualify than there be 10 permanent franchises leeching money off each other and any sucker that wants in.
nascar's grid has literally been decimated because of its franchise model; every new team that joins indycar ends up merging with andretti or dale coyne after a couple of years because the leader's circle payment scheme freezes out the small teams; we saw what happened when a non-german privateer tried to enter DTM (and save the series) last year...
tl;dr capitalists need to learn to play by the rules of their game, if they can't win or raise the money to continue competing in F1, they can go away for a few years and try to raise it. gutting that these businesses have figured out collective bargaining better than, say, the track workers or indeed most of us :p
That was a farcical F2 race. The first safety car was a bit stupid, Zhou accelerating into a gap between two cars practically on a corner entry, and Schumacher inherits the championship lead after doing nothing all race. (And his car didn't get any damage when Aitken and Zhou were dead on the spot). i still need to catch up on this. F2 sounding a lot of like the worst of indycar this year with the inconsistent calls, half the grid winning races and daft driving. if schumacher wins the championship it'll be in no way because he was the best driver overall. it'll get him the alfa seat no doubt though.
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Post by forgotten in space on Sept 12, 2020 20:35:00 GMT
And it's a whole season's and a third more of budget money. :| Funny it comes out when the whole Racing Point/Haas saga has just been settled. aye, it's a fucking disgrace imo. i saw some justification of it being to stop USF1 or stefan grand prix or phoenix types from taking one of the available slots and pissing around with drawings of front wings and trying to jose maria lopez but it's not as if there's a line of teams waiting to join the series or that $200 fucking million is easy to come across atm.
i saw an idea put forth i think from sam collins saying that it'd be a better scheme if the $200 million acted as a deposit that can be repaid either over a couple of seasons or when the team exits formula one. that's slightly better as it at least demonstrates the capability to fund a team over two-three seasons and pay the money back, but i think with the cost of entry already being so prohibitive, if a group have enough to fund a couple of seasons they should be let in! if the car is too slow, well enforce the 107% rule. easy.
haas i don't mind because they've always been up front about wanting to make money out this and were honest enought to admit that's why they've behaved how they've behaved. fucking zak brown crying about how it isn't fair that he'll get less prize money because of the new concorde agreement, so this is only fair, can get so far fucked. design a strong car and get paid - there's already a budget cap and mercedes will build and maintain your engine/power unit for you. i'd take 40 cars, 20 of which are barely GP2 cars, trying to pre-qualify than there be 10 permanent franchises leeching money off each other and any sucker that wants in.
nascar's grid has literally been decimated because of its franchise model; every new team that joins indycar ends up merging with andretti or dale coyne after a couple of years because the leader's circle payment scheme freezes out the small teams; we saw what happened when a non-german privateer tried to enter DTM (and save the series) last year...
tl;dr capitalists need to learn to play by the rules of their game, if they can't win or raise the money to continue competing in F1, they can go away for a few years and try to raise it. gutting that these businesses have figured out collective bargaining better than, say, the track workers or indeed most of us :p
That was a farcical F2 race. The first safety car was a bit stupid, Zhou accelerating into a gap between two cars practically on a corner entry, and Schumacher inherits the championship lead after doing nothing all race. (And his car didn't get any damage when Aitken and Zhou were dead on the spot). i still need to catch up on this. F2 sounding a lot of like the worst of indycar this year with the inconsistent calls, half the grid winning races and daft driving. if schumacher wins the championship it'll be in no way because he was the best driver overall. it'll get him the alfa seat no doubt though.
When Mercedes and Alpine pull out they'll have to scramble to remove the bloody rule and get someone else in. Daft bastards.
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