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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 15, 2020 14:40:23 GMT
turkey has been mentioned? i like this news a lot - one of the better major circuits in europe, tilke designed or not. i'm guessing the talk of sepang making a return has quietened down a bit though? at this point, ferrari may as well offer gasly a 10 race deal or whatever until the end of the season :p Yeah, he seems to be on fire in quali. Never really understood if his problems at RB were only mental or if it was to do with car (RB seem to have come up with a twitchy bastard the last few years). Albon should have been closer to Max there, methinks. Seb out by 0.002 |
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Post by Bartman on Aug 15, 2020 23:09:05 GMT
ever since he was leading the championship by indy in 2013, it's been PAIN and SADNESS supporting him. if the lad pulls it off in the race it'll all be worth it. Yeah, he seems to be on fire in quali. Never really understood if his problems at RB were only mental or if it was to do with car (RB seem to have come up with a twitchy bastard the last few years). Albon should have been closer to Max there, methinks. Seb out by 0.002 aye, he's been mega. that toro rosso this year has been quite handy i think. kvyat has been stout during the races too but gasly has really impressed me this year. i don't know what happened with RBR last year - i do think that for a team that is supposedly all about competition and rivalry, they do operate much better/more effectively when there is one dominant driver (vettel > webber, they were a bit lost afterwards until they figured out verstappen was their boy, then max > gasly/albon) and maybe, as well as the car being a twitch bastard, everything else about the car was just geared towards max; mark webber was the lead driver until the summer break in 2012, when they came back with an updated car suddenly he's miles off the pace and seb goes on a run.
i saw a post during the week (lost now, sorry) that seemed to show max having extra aerodynamic gimmicks on his car viz. albon's car; suppose it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to think that maybe was so with gasly as well. not necessarily out of spite, just because the lead driver is and always will be max verstappen. combine that with an already difficult car and the immense pressure gasly would've been under within the team, in the public eye and within himself, it seems like a perfect storm of negative conditions for the lad.
gasly is legitimately great though and i hope he finds his way somewhere competitive again.
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Post by Bartman on Aug 16, 2020 13:32:41 GMT
giving valtteri bottas corner by corner updates on his tyre wear is fine and acceptable but asking kevin magnussen if he wants to switch to dry tyres on the formation lap is an overreach by strategists and engineers and explicit driver coaching which detracts from the driver skill and purity of our great sport!
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Post by Bartman on Aug 16, 2020 14:06:39 GMT
49 second gap between bottas and stroll :cries:
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Post by Bartman on Aug 16, 2020 14:39:56 GMT
i would appreciate it if they started scheduling the motogp for after the formula one so that there's at least something to look forward to afterwards. i quite like a formulaic F1 or nascar race after something like le mans or another 24 race, a 6 hour race, the indy 500 or whatever but as the day's big race, its a no from me.
3 straight weeks of motogp or indycar or btcc is an exciting thing that i look forward to, the rare times they happen. 3 straight weeks of F1 and i don't want to watch another race for a month :p
indy 500 fast 9 qualifying this evening at least
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 16, 2020 14:40:55 GMT
Why was Albon sent to do a short stint on the tires everyone said was absolute shit? :|
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Post by Bartman on Aug 16, 2020 14:57:26 GMT
i thought he was going to be on a one-stop strategy when he went onto the hard tyres. i don't know what the plan was from the bulls.
remove the mercs and verstappen from the picture and we'll have a mega title fight ala motogp :p
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Post by Bartman on Aug 16, 2020 18:04:08 GMT
<3 <3 <3 <3 <3
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Post by Bartman on Aug 18, 2020 22:14:49 GMT
the FIA, via amazon, has decreed that heikki kovalainen is the 8th fastest driver of all time and so it's time to launch our own series outwith the FIA's rules, albeit offering super licence points, ala indycar because this is bullshit imo. the best driver not to win a championship in the 2000s is nick heidfeld and you will not convince me otherwise.
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 19, 2020 2:33:43 GMT
the FIA, via amazon, has decreed that heikki kovalainen is the 8th fastest driver of all time and so it's time to launch our own series outwith the FIA's rules, albeit offering super licence points, ala indycar because this is bullshit imo. the best driver not to win a championship in the 2000s is nick heidfeld and you will not convince me otherwise.
(okay, after juan (pablo) montoya of course ) I didn't even bother reading that thing. |
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 21, 2020 11:37:21 GMT
Williams sold to American investment fund :(
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 21, 2020 11:54:36 GMT
massinvestordatabase.com/publicfirm.php?name=Dorilton+CapitalSeems like a small family company, so hopefully it isn't a faceless vulture who will dismantle everything at the first hiccup...but at the same time it probably means things will be like they currently are, no massive Manchester-citying their way to the top. Cautious optimism?
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Post by Bartman on Aug 28, 2020 16:10:12 GMT
i was watching practice in the pub with a couple of pals, so i may have missed something, but of all the tracks for force india to be a little off the bulls (and renault!) spa was not the one i'd expect. gary anderson has speaking out this lately but historically this team (since jordan) has been great at spa - barrichello on pole in '94, fisi podium in '97, the 1-2 in '98, jordan's only full grid points in '05, fisi's heroics in '09 and it's easy to forget that this was the 2018 race before the race was neutralised after alonso's flight:  practice is practice, i understand, and the order is a little mixed but if there was a track where i'd expect the pink mercs to be challenging the batmobiles, this would be the place. utterly miserable from the ferraris again today. being split by george russell would surely be the nadir of the year buuuuut we still have monza next week and... the decision to run the full ring circuit at bahrain is a terribly good one from the lads but it's going to absolutely murder the ferrari engined cars and the williams drag machine. it should be absolutely class. obviously it's a video game but i used to have a lot of fun racing round that circuit in the lancia group 5 car round there on the toca race driver games (3, i think). it was a real battle with the sim handling! lots of nerds talking about it as an "oval", which is absolutely ridiculous given that a) there literally is a near oval layout at bahrain (it was on the game a few years back) using the straight between turns 10 and 11 as a backstrech and b) while the track does form a ring, following a clockwise direction there's still a good number of left-hand turns that make the place a proper road course. if we're calling this outline an oval, we'd may as well call somewhere like thruxton an oval: actual kind of oval bahrain thruxton |
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Post by Bartman on Aug 28, 2020 16:23:11 GMT
massinvestordatabase.com/publicfirm.php?name=Dorilton+CapitalSeems like a small family company, so hopefully it isn't a faceless vulture who will dismantle everything at the first hiccup...but at the same time it probably means things will be like they currently are, no massive Manchester-citying their way to the top. Cautious optimism? yes! initially it was completely heartbroken by the news that they'd been taken over by an american investment fund but after doing the reading, i think they'll be in safe hands. they seem the type who are committed to creating valuable assets rather than strip selling them and the team existing in name only, if at all. i'd be interested to see if they have a 3-5 year plan and if they choose to keep the team or if the plan is to sell it on after they make them competitive (with lmp1 almost over, kolles might after a team eg).
their review of the management structure will be interesting and i wonder what will become of claire: she was frank's pick to take over, even though jonathan was the sibling most interested in and with the most experience around motorsport (i think they punted him off to the historic racing side?). maybe someone outside the family (and the frank/patrick head sphere of influence) would be a better shout. hopefully it's a good future for them either way.
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 28, 2020 18:21:05 GMT
i was watching practice in the pub with a couple of pals, so i may have missed something, but of all the tracks for force india to be a little off the bulls (and renault!) spa was not the one i'd expect. gary anderson has speaking out this lately but historically this team (since jordan) has been great at spa - barrichello on pole in '94, fisi podium in '97, the 1-2 in '98, jordan's only full grid points in '05, fisi's heroics in '09 and it's easy to forget that this was the 2018 race before the race was neutralised after alonso's flight: practice is practice, i understand, and the order is a little mixed but if there was a track where i'd expect the pink mercs to be challenging the batmobiles, this would be the place. utterly miserable from the ferraris again today. being split by george russell would surely be the nadir of the year buuuuut we still have monza next week and... the decision to run the full ring circuit at bahrain is a terribly good one from the lads but it's going to absolutely murder the ferrari engined cars and the williams drag machine. it should be absolutely class. obviously it's a video game but i used to have a lot of fun racing round that circuit in the lancia group 5 car round there on the toca race driver games (3, i think). it was a real battle with the sim handling! lots of nerds talking about it as an "oval", which is absolutely ridiculous given that a) there literally is a near oval layout at bahrain (it was on the game a few years back) using the straight between turns 10 and 11 as a backstrech and b) while the track does form a ring, following a clockwise direction there's still a good number of left-hand turns that make the place a proper road course. if we're calling this outline an oval, we'd may as well call somewhere like thruxton an oval: actual kind of oval bahrainthruxtonIt isn't going to happen, but I so wish they will disable DRS for that..first time they went back to Paul Ricard, it was a joke, DRS on the Mistral straight made passing automatic. |
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 28, 2020 18:25:40 GMT
massinvestordatabase.com/publicfirm.php?name=Dorilton+CapitalSeems like a small family company, so hopefully it isn't a faceless vulture who will dismantle everything at the first hiccup...but at the same time it probably means things will be like they currently are, no massive Manchester-citying their way to the top. Cautious optimism? yes! initially it was completely heartbroken by the news that they'd been taken over by an american investment fund but after doing the reading, i think they'll be in safe hands. they seem the type who are committed to creating valuable assets rather than strip selling them and the team existing in name only, if at all. i'd be interested to see if they have a 3-5 year plan and if they choose to keep the team or if the plan is to sell it on after they make them competitive (with lmp1 almost over, kolles might after a team eg).
their review of the management structure will be interesting and i wonder what will become of claire: she was frank's pick to take over, even though jonathan was the sibling most interested in and with the most experience around motorsport (i think they punted him off to the historic racing side?). maybe someone outside the family (and the frank/patrick head sphere of influence) would be a better shout. hopefully it's a good future for them either way.
Yeah, it's a full review to see where investment should go, plus the management side. but them also saying they invest in companies and work with existing management teams, what will it mean in this instance? Retaining actual managers like Mike O'Driscoll, the CEO, and the rest of the suits, and positions like team principals will be looked at equally as the technical/ordinary staff and therefore no obligation to keep them if they can hire better? Will Claire, Frank and Jonathan still want to be involved anyway? |
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Post by Bartman on Aug 28, 2020 23:54:00 GMT
It isn't going to happen, but I so wish they will disable DRS for that..first time they went back to Paul Ricard, it was a joke, DRS on the Mistral straight made passing automatic. fucking...i would hope so too. like you said, that first year at paul ricard was a piss take with the DRS, reworking that quote re kerouac "that isn't racing, it's driving". a DRS free race on this circuit would be grand, on any circuit tbh, especially round this place. my initial excitement has been replaced by an anxiety that that first corner section and the maggots/becketts-esque section will cause massive spread across the field but i'm overall excited.
if they take away the DRS,the race could take on the appearence of those really tense indycar races on the "weird" fast tracks - portland, gateway, the rio trapezoid oval, the st petersburg street circuit - which are always tense because of what might happen, moves are always building, looming, but it comes down to if there's enough time. a safety car within the last 10 laps there would be exciting!
Yeah, it's a full review to see where investment should go, plus the management side. but them also saying they invest in companies and work with existing management teams, what will it mean in this instance? Retaining actual managers like Mike O'Driscoll, the CEO, and the rest of the suits, and positions like team principals will be looked at equally as the technical/ordinary staff and therefore no obligation to keep them if they can hire better? Will Claire, Frank and Jonathan still want to be involved anyway? my impression is that they'll prioritise keeping and hiring the best talent that they can. i know that sounds a bit like fence sitting but i don't think they'll overhaul the team if they think that there are people and structures that are already extant within the team that work, by no means was it a hostile takeover, and try to work around what already works: it might end up that they'll need to overhaul the entire team, of course, but i doubt that'll be their starting intention.
i don't know if the williams family will still be involved - i amn't sure claire is the best person to be team principle (she is undoubtedly great in marketing and promotion though) and i think frank needs to move away entirely (24 years too late if you ask me). jonathan i honestly couldn't say - frank spun him out over a decade ago now so i don't know if he'll still have the passion, maybe frank didn't think he was up to it, maybe there were other motives. williams will remain williams, i am confident, in name at the very least, so i could see one of them being around symbolically at the very least.
maybe toto, susie and nico will end up running it down the line :p
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Post by Bartman on Aug 28, 2020 23:56:40 GMT
there's some paddock chat that australia has already been all but ruled out as opening the season next year and there's some thought it'll be off the calendar entirely in 2021. i'll turn to ford71V8 and ask if there's been anything to that from the australian media or if it's the paddock being the paddock?
jr hildebrand putting ross brawn and those dafties straight
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Post by Bartman on Aug 28, 2020 23:58:04 GMT
also there was a little glimmer of hope last week where it looked like i'd be at a race track this weekend but, alas, nicola and the gang put paid to that so i am hoping that this grand prix is a good one!!!
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Post by ford71V8 on Aug 29, 2020 1:45:24 GMT
there's some paddock chat that australia has already been all but ruled out as opening the season next year and there's some thought it'll be off the calendar entirely in 2021. i'll turn to ford71V8 and ask if there's been anything to that from the australian media or if it's the paddock being the paddock?
jr hildebrand putting ross brawn and those dafties straight
Yeah there is a bit of talk about what happens next year, mainly due to it being the opening round I would imagine. Nobody seems very confident, which mirrors the similar talk about international music acts coming over. Mostly though the talk is about Bathurst as October creeps up on us. And not just the 1000.... there is the Bathurst International event scheduled for Nov too. |
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Post by General Smithers on Aug 29, 2020 7:24:13 GMT
i was watching practice in the pub with a couple of pals What the FUCK do you think you're doing going to the pub without me Bartman. |
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Post by Bartman on Aug 29, 2020 11:08:48 GMT
the mercedes is scarily good in that middle sector, particularly from the run down to pouhon until campus. that car is on rails. hamilton 1.1 seconds faster than anyone through there.
the ferrari situation is so bad that haas appear to be the strongest ferrari powered team this weekend and i am pretty sure they put bicycle tyres on the rear and had the car facing backwards in the wind tunnel. vettel being 20th ON PACE is almost unimaginable.
when did renault discover all that *✭˚･ﾟ✧*･ﾟ power *✭˚･ﾟ✧*･ﾟ* by the way?
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Post by Bartman on Aug 29, 2020 11:17:55 GMT
Yeah there is a bit of talk about what happens next year, mainly due to it being the opening round I would imagine. Nobody seems very confident, which mirrors the similar talk about international music acts coming over. Mostly though the talk is about Bathurst as October creeps up on us. And not just the 1000.... there is the Bathurst International event scheduled for Nov too. aye, it only occurred to me yesterday that it's only about 6 months or so until the, usual, melbourne race. i would love to see it on the calendar of course but i know the situation, especially in vic, is quite intense atm. how is it affecting other sports? with regards to international sports like the cricket and autumn rugby tests but interstate competition?
i am quite excited for the 1000 this year! it doesn't clash the fuji 1000 or any super gt this year too so i'll have a clear morning to watch it (the btcc from croft is on after so i'll be asleep early that night...). i hope to catch the international too, that's with the 6 hour TCR race isn't it?
What the FUCK do you think you're doing going to the pub without me Bartman.
i'm allowed to know other LADS too
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Post by Bartman on Aug 29, 2020 14:19:13 GMT
the mercs have ridiculous performance through the second sector - bottas 4 tenths ahead of verstappen through the sector, hamilton 6 tenths ahead of ricciardo - and the renault engine has some turn of pace. hamilton was on another plane in quali but i wonder if bottas has a problem with his power unit: verstappen and ricciardo were both comfortably ahead of him on the power sectors, it was in the second sector where the mercedes with an atmosphere's worth of downforce was able to get back ahead. either that or he's completely given up on this season. bleak.
racing point really disappointed me. i know that neither guy is renowned as a qualifier but you would expect them to be ahead of the renaults.
ferrari are having a 'mare.
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Post by Bartman on Aug 30, 2020 13:29:18 GMT
put gasly in the second merc
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Post by Bartman on Aug 30, 2020 13:48:18 GMT
put kimi in the second ferrari
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Post by Bartman on Aug 30, 2020 13:51:08 GMT
also fire whomever came up with perez's strategy
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 30, 2020 14:47:31 GMT
Put Schwartzmann or Hulk in the second Sauber :p
Shame about the safety car not allowing us to see how Gasly's race would have gone.
Bottas unaware of not being allowed to use push on Hamilton, then being "reminded" about the long stint. He should just tell the team to fuck off now and go for maximum attacking strategies, soft+soft+mediums. He won't be coming home higher than second or third anyway.
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 30, 2020 16:01:39 GMT
Finally done with season 1 of my team career mode in F1 2020.. I'm going to try a shortened 16-race season next.
Hamilton wins the title, Kimi and Grosjean retire. Russell replaces Kimi, Latifi replaces Romain, and Williams goes for Jack Aitken and Guanyu Zhou.
I gave Matsushita a full season and now replaced him with Nyck De Vries. I pulled the trigger too early, didn't wait for the WCC money, could easily have hired an established driver. *facepalm*
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Post by ford71V8 on Aug 31, 2020 1:05:55 GMT
Yeah there is a bit of talk about what happens next year, mainly due to it being the opening round I would imagine. Nobody seems very confident, which mirrors the similar talk about international music acts coming over. Mostly though the talk is about Bathurst as October creeps up on us. And not just the 1000.... there is the Bathurst International event scheduled for Nov too. aye, it only occurred to me yesterday that it's only about 6 months or so until the, usual, melbourne race. i would love to see it on the calendar of course but i know the situation, especially in vic, is quite intense atm. how is it affecting other sports? with regards to international sports like the cricket and autumn rugby tests but interstate competition?
i am quite excited for the 1000 this year! it doesn't clash the fuji 1000 or any super gt this year too so i'll have a clear morning to watch it (the btcc from croft is on after so i'll be asleep early that night...). i hope to catch the international too, that's with the 6 hour TCR race isn't it?
Well some things were locked in as of yesterday arvo. Bathurst 1000 will be on Oct 18....still unsure about the crowds and camping, sales still suspended. No enduros other than the B1000....kinda of knew that was gonna be the case. Replacement races are going to be at The Bend.....awesome news for me, will likely attend if allowed.
Yep, TCR is on the schedule but the 6 hour race is the typical Production car event. S5000, TA's, Touring Cars, and more involved too, so a huge event which, fingers crossed, goes ahead as planned.
Now, that the Bathurst weekend is locked in and the remaining races of V8 season are also sorted, I would imagine the F1 discussion will pick back up now.
As you have said the situation in Victoria is not good.
Iconic things like the AFL grand final traditionally held at the MCG every year is now up for grabs for any other state that doesnt have such massive restrictions. Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth are all possibilities to take that match from Vic. As it is, AFL season has been cobbled together with team Hubs, isolation plans, and many people away from home and family for long periods. One BIG event that I am interested in the outcome is the Melbourne Cup. (maybe yepsure would know a bit about where that problem currently sits as the date is not far away)....how do you hold the Melbourne Cup anywhere else!?!
And Crickets Boxing Day match is being talked about changing venue also.....interesting times.
So yeah, as you can see, lots up in the air and while some things are sorted, theres still plenty of discussion left for other sports and events.
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