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Post by Bartman on Aug 2, 2020 16:02:14 GMT
yeah, it's a strange one i think. lots of debris and gravel on the track couldn't have helped things and the drivers are running these cars very very hard, maybe too hard, and that's obviously not on pirelli.
teams could well have been taking liberties with stint length and, possibly, tyre pressures (again) as a way to overcome uncertainity with aero/dial the cars in better. pirelli might have fucked up too, we'll have to see once analysis has been undertaken by them.
christian horner was saying on channel 4 there that verstappen's left front, i think he said, was covered in cuts when they took it off. read into that as you will, either all 3 of the frontrunners had/were going to have spectacular tyre issues in the last laps or horner was covering for a poor strategic call - going for a bonus point when it turns a win was possible.
another thing, as well as the shambles in 2013, the 2017 race had a few tyre issues - certainly both raikkonen and vettel had big blowouts at the end of the race. there may have been a couple of incidents in practice too although, don't quote me on that!
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Post by Bartman on Aug 2, 2020 19:08:05 GMT
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Post by Bartman on Aug 6, 2020 17:39:04 GMT
lord knows i love rogro but i think that relationship has run its course
k-mag & hulk 4 haas 2021 imo
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Post by Alan-P on Aug 6, 2020 18:04:51 GMT
Does Lewis Hamilton know BLM are a Marxist organisation that want to smash capitalism? What a clown 🤡 And I mean that literally, have you seen his vines?  |
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Post by Bartman on Aug 6, 2020 18:08:08 GMT
listening to midweek motorsport last night and a discussion came up that i had been thinking about since last weekend and that we alluded to on here: are the cars now too fast for the tracks they are on? like, ever since the hybrid era began there have been no small incidents at silverstone and this weekend there two big accidents in places where it shouldn't be possible to have an accident: albon & magnussen round club was partly driver error, on both's part, but there's no way a crash there should've been as big as it was. kvyat's was terrifying and, luckily, he made contact with the end of the tyre barrier because not much further along it's bare armco. we found this with kimi in 2014, cars are crashing into parts of the track where there are suitable barriers because, reasonably, there's no expectation that cars will have big hits in those spots. silverstone is obviously an outlier - because the cars have so much downforce, there's literally three brake points around the whole track - but this was the problem with the LMP1 cars in the 2014-2015 glory days: when they reached a point of gaining, literally, 4-5 seconds a lap year on year, rules had to be made to slow the cars down; by the end of 2015, i think the LMP1s were within 107% of formula one pole times at some tracks* and these are cars that were twice the weight. obviously at le mans this is concerning but even tracks like shanghai and COTA were considered inappropriate for these machines in 2015 trim. for 2016 and 17 the regulations were trimmed to turn down power and fuel flow and it kept the racing great while keeping things safe. i appreciate that there is a regulation change coming in 2022 that will take away a lot of downforce but i wonder if something will be done for 2021? the performance of 2020 F1 cars is literally awesome and really is the pinnacle of the sport but as we're approaching a 60 second lap at red bull ring, barely 70 seconds at interlagos, every incident being a big one at silverstone, one does worry a little about safety. i won't lie though, if comrade corona takes from the chance to see these cars round suzuka, i'm going to be so upset.
*i seem to recall that super gt gt 500s were getting into that range when they had crazy downforce and with some ~hybrid~ too. they'd certainly be ahead of LMP2 cars and they were designated as touring cars. this was all before DTM and IMSA convinced them to adopt "class one", which then on the IMSA side never materialised and DTM is now on the verge of collapse - a waste of those beautiful machines!!
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Post by Bartman on Aug 6, 2020 18:11:33 GMT
Does Lewis Hamilton know BLM are a Marxist organisation that want to smash capitalism? What a clown 🤡 And I mean that literally, have you seen his vines? the walking boots are quite snazzy though i do not understand the rest of the outfit. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Aug 7, 2020 0:12:47 GMT
Its very commendable that you studied that pic enough to find a good point
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Post by Bartman on Aug 7, 2020 8:30:22 GMT
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Post by Bartman on Aug 7, 2020 9:11:20 GMT
here we go:
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 7, 2020 11:18:38 GMT
Its very commendable that you studied that pic enough to find a good point  |
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 7, 2020 11:24:24 GMT
lord knows i love rogro but i think that relationship has run its course k-mag & hulk 4 haas 2021 imo A full-time role doesn't necessarily mean a racing drive, though. :/ If I were Gene I would definitely change both drivers. Hulk and Perez; Hulk and Seb :p Hulk and a Ferrari junior or an American driver/coming from an American series (not sure who, though). |
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 7, 2020 11:28:50 GMT
FIA fucked up as usual drafting rules and policing, so didn't feel comfortable issuing a harsher penalty. So now we have a season where a team will be (theoretically) reprimanded every single race :| |
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Post by Bartman on Aug 8, 2020 13:52:13 GMT
maybe racing point should be considering hulk for 2021 :p
did they repair or fully switch chassis after the styria crash for vettel? or is there something fundamentally off about his car as well as the inherent lack of downforce and power? it's seems almost a bit like kimi's ferrari in 2014 where there was something wrong about the car that nobody could quite define - even alonso, after testing kimi's car, reported struggling with it. there's something odd about vettel this year which i think is more than just a lack of motivation.
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Post by Bartman on Aug 8, 2020 14:03:30 GMT
what's the length of ocon's contract too :p
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Post by Bartman on Aug 8, 2020 23:00:44 GMT
A full-time role doesn't necessarily mean a racing drive, though. :/ If I were Gene I would definitely change both drivers. Hulk and Perez; Hulk and Seb :p Hulk and a Ferrari junior or an American driver/coming from an American series (not sure who, though). big gene should sign pascal wehrlein and paul di resta w/ jolyon palmer as test/reserve for next season for the bants:
(at first i thought the "yamamoto" in question was sakon and put him down  )
massa also has his superlicence still and i think rossi maybe but it's wild how small the super licence pool is these days. there's obviously a good few drivers outwith f1 who are probably points eligible - josef newgarden and scott dixon immediately come to mind - but the amount of drivers who will be available at short notice, as i suspect we'll see afain over the next couple of seasons, is extremely small. even smaller if there is a WEC or formula e race on the same weekend! there's a reason why palmer and di resta always carry their helmet to the track for their commentary roles.
it's absolutely class that, i think, martin truex jr has enough points to qualify for super licence:clap:
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Post by Bartman on Aug 9, 2020 10:16:43 GMT
mick's been watching tapes of his father :p
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 9, 2020 14:53:29 GMT
Good race, that. Ditching harder tyres and suddenly it was about risking stint lengths! The theoretical sensible pit stops of the poleman/leader turned out to be the wrong one.
Brilliant stuff from Sharl and Albon will stabilise after that, hopefully.
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 9, 2020 14:56:20 GMT
mick's been watching tapes of his father :p
He turned in way too early :| |
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Post by Bartman on Aug 9, 2020 16:30:06 GMT
Good race, that. Ditching harder tyres and suddenly it was about risking stint lengths! The theoretical sensible pit stops of the poleman/leader turned out to be the wrong one. Brilliant stuff from Sharl and Albon will stabilise after that, hopefully. yep, that drive from leclerc today was top tier. if you'd have told me with 10 laps remaining that he'd be 6 seconds off the leader with all stops completed and in a race without incident, i'd never have believed you. he was outstanding. impressed by albon too, hopefully it helps balance him, like you said, to have had a strong race after a terrible weekend.
i thought that stroll had an alright day there to finish second best of the rest. that 3 stop strategy for hulk however sure was...interesting :p
someone get vettel a liferaft
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Post by Bartman on Aug 9, 2020 16:51:46 GMT
also i found out that a championship victory and two second places finished in the nascar cup series only grants you 39 super licence points, rather than 41 points, meaning that martin truex jr has not qualified for one 
if he wins the championship however...
i wouldn't trust my maths but i don't think haas has too many options for an american driver, as is. in fact, i count only 4:
josef newgarden alexander rossi (who already had a super licence, i imagine would just need the kms in a contemporary car and pay the fee to get his back)
dane cameron scott speed (same as with rossi)
i thought that a championship victory would be enough for kyle busch and kevin harvick to become eligible but they'd still be a few points off - apparently there isn't much stake for the nascar-F1 pipeline :P a pity too, given how harvick is already under the employ of mr haas.
it isn't totally unlikely that colton herta would be a prospect by the end of the year - a top 2 in the championship would seal it for him (winning it automatically gives you the points). despite being only 20, his heart seems set on indycar as a career but he's a name i would think would be high up on any team's priority list, he's the real deal. santino ferrucci would be another, if he were to win the series, but i don't think he'll be back in a formula one paddock for a while.
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Post by Bartman on Aug 12, 2020 10:27:45 GMT
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 12, 2020 11:48:10 GMT
Also Toto keeps having too many pies on his fingers.
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Post by Bartman on Aug 12, 2020 17:38:13 GMT
mclaren avoiding the shambles of last year at indianapolis by avoiding orange paint, i see:
clever, smart, tactical :p
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Post by Bartman on Aug 14, 2020 12:59:28 GMT
zack brown upset that they can't use the 2020 mercedes car next year evidently at the heart of this :p
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Post by Bartman on Aug 14, 2020 17:19:25 GMT
marco andretti posting 233mph average laps and entry speed to turns 1 and 3 topping 242mph - its his year, lads 🙌🙌🙌
in the fake racing series, rogro with the 5th best time in FP2 was pleasant viewing. i didn't watch it so i have no idea how he did but well done to he and haas.
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 14, 2020 19:14:46 GMT
marco andretti posting 233mph average laps and entry speed to turns 1 and 3 topping 242mph - its his year, lads 🙌🙌🙌 in the fake racing series, rogro with the 5th best time in FP2 was pleasant viewing. i didn't watch it so i have no idea how he did but well done to he and haas. What's that in real units of measurement? :P |
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Post by Bartman on Aug 14, 2020 21:34:41 GMT
What's that in real units of measurement? :P man that's the one thing with american oval racing, they measure time as a unit of speed for some reason
in real measurement, marco's fastest lap would be at an average of 375.76 kph for a lap of 38.5 seconds :p
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Post by Bartman on Aug 15, 2020 11:56:36 GMT
crofty talking before thinking again is it?
i agree that something should be done about these cool down laps and how much the cars slow down - this incident, the stroll/verstappen incident last week - but ocon was completely out to lunch here! i don't think either driver deserves punishment but dearie me, what a mess.
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Post by forgotten in space on Aug 15, 2020 13:40:30 GMT
lol Nico just blew him off and said it was Ocon
Turkey and Jerez possible races this season :o
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Post by Bartman on Aug 15, 2020 13:44:57 GMT
turkey has been mentioned? i like this news a lot - one of the better major circuits in europe, tilke designed or not. i'm guessing the talk of sepang making a return has quietened down a bit though?
at this point, ferrari may as well offer gasly a 10 race deal or whatever until the end of the season :p
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