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Post by jackers on Oct 11, 2017 7:40:54 GMT
But unfortunately this is true. The "fan goggles" allusion is spot on. Simple playing sad but true is taking Lars too much effort. And the ironic thing is that it's all his poor technique end bad habits that he has been accumulating for 30 years. I wouldn't blame age for that. Just look at how effortless and calm is this dude in the video above spamming double bass and cymbals and compare it to this:
It's cool to say 'wow Lars is on fire here wow' but short and quick double bass and he looks like he just finished marathon. Are they really surrounded by the 'yes man' only entourage that no one had any balls to suggest him anything for that many years?
yeah, lets talk about Lars drumming and Het's vocals for the thousand time again
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 8:01:53 GMT
True about his technique. But, point is, if he is gonna play like that, he should be strong enough to be playing like that, and he isn't. And that's because he is in his 50s. Atrophied muscle and lower T. The man should lift and squat rather than just doing his jogs. 1 hour, 3 times a week with even light to moderate weight would do wonders for him. But yeah, he should change his technique also. (Not to forget he is using triggers now, so there is particularly no reason for the Animal from Muppets routine.)
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Post by BigBunny on Oct 11, 2017 11:05:48 GMT
I'd rather listen to any competent drummer period. The example is irrelevant. I could post anything other than Lars, and the point would be made. Listening to Metallica today requires fan goggles. I've got mine on. I'm just not kidding myself. Highest earning drummer in the business, and the worst drummer for a good 10+ years. And he really is. That I've seen anyway. Marco Minnemann  |
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Post by Alan-P on Oct 11, 2017 17:02:36 GMT
The solo on Murder One is the most embarrassing thing ever recorded...
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Post by griever77 on Oct 11, 2017 17:37:20 GMT
I'm still trying to put my finger on how I feel about kirks solos lately. I can't think of any solo that stands out on HWTSD. However, I can think of a bunch of riffs and a few lyrics that I love on this album. The solos arn't bad, just not as good as I think they should be. I think Hetfields solos (the few times he does them) are just better. Kirk mentioned losing his phone, but if I lost my phone with recordings on it, I'd be up all day and night recreating and coming up with anything I could. I don't like the excuses. I would prefer a few more Herfield solos thrown into songs at points.
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Post by Alan-P on Oct 11, 2017 18:18:48 GMT
I'm still trying to put my finger on how I feel about kirks solos lately. I can't think of any solo that stands out on HWTSD. However, I can think of a bunch of riffs and a few lyrics that I love on this album. The solos arn't bad, just not as good as I think they should be. I think Hetfields solos (the few times he does them) are just better. Kirk mentioned losing his phone, but if I lost my phone with recordings on it, I'd be up all day and night recreating and coming up with anything I could. I don't like the excuses. I would prefer a few more Herfield solos thrown into songs at points. His phone would probably be backed up, so I'm not buying it. |
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Post by jackers on Oct 11, 2017 19:45:35 GMT
Lol are we still having a discussion over that cringy iphone situation? What is this facebook comments on metallica fanpage? Anyone who remotely knows this band and has a brain knows that this is bullshit. I cringed every single time during Hardwired release phase when Lars or James were asked about that and they tried to avoid embarrassment with a straight face. If I remember correctly after couple months eventually even James laughed that off publicly. Oh Kirk...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 19:53:25 GMT
I'm still trying to put my finger on how I feel about kirks solos lately. I can't think of any solo that stands out on HWTSD. However, I can think of a bunch of riffs and a few lyrics that I love on this album. The solos arn't bad, just not as good as I think they should be. I think Hetfields solos (the few times he does them) are just better. Kirk mentioned losing his phone, but if I lost my phone with recordings on it, I'd be up all day and night recreating and coming up with anything I could. I don't like the excuses. I would prefer a few more Herfield solos thrown into songs at points. NTWD has the only memorable solo imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2017 19:53:38 GMT
The way I look at most of this album is, the better the songs are, the better to solos are. Good songs inspire good solos out of Kirk it looks like. The songs get the solos they deserve.
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Post by ford71V8 on Oct 11, 2017 23:33:14 GMT
I liked the Bluesy solos in Am I Savage from the first snippet we were given before album release. Still really like it but part of that enjoyment comes from the awesome chug chug behind it.
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Post by SicJes on Oct 12, 2017 0:24:24 GMT
The SOTB solo is top notch classic Kirk, what the hell guys?
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Post by ModerusPrime on Oct 12, 2017 4:04:26 GMT
I've probably listened and enjoyed Hardwired more than I have any album since TBA. I still listen to at least one song off of it daily.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 6:59:17 GMT
The last Met album I probably listened to this much was Garage Inc
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Post by Kimbo on Oct 12, 2017 6:59:17 GMT
I liked the Bluesy solos in Am I Savage from the first snippet we were given before album release. Still really like it but part of that enjoyment comes from the awesome chug chug behind it. That whole section is amazing, solo is awesome chug is awesome. The SOTB solo is top notch classic Kirk, what the hell guys? On par with his earlier shredding classics :up: The decending ending with the killer riff supporting it is fecking stellar |
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Post by Zalman on Oct 12, 2017 7:16:27 GMT
From a studio point of view I feel much better about the band now than during the DM era. I loved Lars' drumming on Hardwired while I disliked it on DM. I also think Kirk's solos on Hardwired are pretty great, unlike on DM. (Not hating on DM, I actually think some of the songs are better than a good chunk of the ones on Hardwired. Just talking performance wise.)
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Post by yepsure on Oct 12, 2017 7:17:39 GMT
The solos are much better on DM. There’s not a single memorable solo on Hardwired.
I mainly focus on Het’s awesome rhythms underneath Kirk’s generic playing which could have been done by a session guitarist.
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Post by jackers on Oct 12, 2017 7:40:22 GMT
The MVP of both those albums is obviously Het and he shines brighter on Hardwired.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 9:05:17 GMT
Halo and Spit have memorable solos.
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Post by griever77 on Oct 12, 2017 14:10:23 GMT
Halo and Spit have memorable solos. Those songs are just so damn good though. It's hard for me to compare DM because I first heard it with horrible sound quality and first impression last a lifetime. I agree HWTSD is a damn good album so I feel bad nitpicking. I would say I'm more than satisfied with everything on it this late in their career. I will say there are some lyrics and moments on DM that really loved (Judas Kiss, S&R bluesy riff part, U3, TWJYL) but I can't get over that initial sound quality. |
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Post by BMus1 on Oct 12, 2017 15:27:24 GMT
Lars is much better on HW, Kirk is much better on DM. Their performances on the album totally reflect their performances live in those respective eras.
I'm also going to have fun with myself and try to crit the HW solos without actually listening to them, to see how memorable they are.
1. Hardwired - Generic, sounds like Kirk Hammett, but I felt like it fit with the song
2. Atlas - Suicide & Redemption + random note vomit
3. NTWD - I agree with HR on this one, probably the best and most appropriate solo on the album; it plays to the song super well
4. Moth - One of the better ones, but doesn't do anything to improve the song, though it doesn't hurt it
5. Dream - I mean... it sounds like Kirk Hammett, but it's just meh improv
6. Halo - Is there a proper solo?
7. Confusion - I don't remember it ahhh. The leads in the second verse are awesome tho
8. ManUNKind - Horrible. Ruins the flow of the song, though the solo riff isn't anything write home about
9. Revenge - Don't remember it at all
10. Savage - Super cool actually, but hearing that first bend in the HW preview video is still an awesome memory for me
11. Murder - Don't remember it, but everyone here says it's crap so I believe them
12. Bone - Half Kirk-isms, half awesome. That descending arpeggio part going into the last chorus is absolutely INSANE. I really wish that's how the song ended instead of going back into a chorus
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Post by Alan-P on Oct 12, 2017 15:34:37 GMT
Lars is much better on HW, Kirk is much better on DM. Their performances on the album totally reflect their performances live in those respective eras. I'm also going to have fun with myself and try to crit the HW solos without actually listening to them, to see how memorable they are. 1. Hardwired - Generic, sounds like Kirk Hammett, but I felt like it fit with the song 2. Atlas - Suicide & Redemption + random note vomit 3. NTWD - I agree with HR on this one, probably the best and most appropriate solo on the album; it plays to the song super well 4. Moth - One of the better ones, but doesn't do anything to improve the song, though it doesn't hurt it 5. Dream - I mean... it sounds like Kirk Hammett, but it's just meh improv 6. Halo - Is there a proper solo? 7. Confusion - I don't remember it ahhh. The leads in the second verse are awesome tho 8. ManUNKind - Horrible. Ruins the flow of the song, though the solo riff isn't anything write home about 9. Revenge - Don't remember it at all 10. Savage - Super cool actually, but hearing that first bend in the HW preview video is still an awesome memory for me 11. Murder - Don't remember it, but everyone here says it's crap so I believe them 12. Bone - Half Kirk-isms, half awesome. That descending arpeggio part going into the last chorus is absolutely INSANE. I really wish that's how the song ended instead of going back into a chorus Pretty much, but I'd be inclined to think James did the solo in Halo. ManUnkind is bang on. Song didnt even need a solo. |
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Post by BMus1 on Oct 12, 2017 15:42:41 GMT
Part of me hopes that by the next album Kirk is out/taking a leave of absence and we can experience a James-only Metallica album.
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Post by yepsure on Oct 12, 2017 19:42:55 GMT
I couldn’t make that list because I don’t remember many of them despite listening to the album a million times.
I remember how the NTWD and Halo solos start, and I remember a certain section in Spit, but the rest are not retained in my mind at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 20:19:13 GMT
I could sit here and remember most of the solos, but I'm a musician and have good memory for these things.
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Post by BMus1 on Oct 12, 2017 20:23:26 GMT
I could sit here and remember most of the solos, but I'm a musician and have good memory for these things. /r/iamverytalented  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 21:14:17 GMT
We all know how Metallica works, three of them are always doing fine while one is off in lala land.
I expect Kirk to come back on the next album with great solos and riffs, and James will decide that he doesn't like the way his vocals sound anymore so he will use a pitch shifter in the studio to make himself sound like one of the Chipmunks.
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Post by yepsure on Oct 12, 2017 21:27:58 GMT
I could sit here and remember most of the solos, but I'm a musician and have good memory for these things. I play guitar too, and can easily remember every riff that’s on the album. Mainly because they are catchy and hooky for the most part (unlike the generic shit in the solos), not because I play guitar. |
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Post by Guest on Oct 12, 2017 21:45:08 GMT
Kirk's too busy planting thoughts in people's minds and controlling them through voodoo too worry about contributing to any albums.
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Post by ModerusPrime on Oct 12, 2017 21:48:55 GMT
Just look at how effortless and calm is this dude in the video above spamming double bass and cymbals and compare it to this: It's cool to say 'wow Lars is on fire here wow' but short and quick double bass and he looks like he just finished marathon. Sure, but you also have no idea how long they had been recording in the studio that day when that take was done. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 21:53:25 GMT
I could sit here and remember most of the solos, but I'm a musician and have good memory for these things. /r/iamverytalented lol, I wasn't trying to brag. But, it's just true. The Hardwired solo, whether I like it or not, is 'memorable.' Especially since it's relatively simple. |
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