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Post by BMus1 on Jun 4, 2023 23:39:41 GMT
Load seems to have really gotten a new face in the fanbase in the last few years. I remember awhile back when it was way more common to see people group it with ReLoad. Now the consensus is way more in favor of it being pretty close in quality to the first 5 albums.
Totally agreed, also. ReLoad broke their streak of consistently great albums because they didn't know when to put stuff in the vault. Or they just really weren't as worried about quality control at that point.
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Post by jorn on Jun 5, 2023 6:54:42 GMT
I understand the appeal of cigars but yeah, it seems like he is kinda addicted, as an alternative to being addicted to something else. I'm not worried, though...if he's healthy, that's all that matters and I don't think he really cares to live until 90. Just he never gave me that impression. But who knows... Holy shit, let the man live! It's just a freakin cigar, he's not smoking meth on stage!? I guess people would truly freak out if they found corn in James' poop!
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Post by Prometheus426 on Jun 5, 2023 16:58:08 GMT
Load seems to have really gotten a new face in the fanbase in the last few years. I remember awhile back when it was way more common to see people group it with ReLoad. Now the consensus is way more in favor of it being pretty close in quality to the first 5 albums. Totally agreed, also. ReLoad broke their streak of consistently great albums because they didn't know when to put stuff in the vault. Or they just really weren't as worried about quality control at that point. I've always liked Load, the riffs and songwriting is pretty cool, i think the negative reaction coloured people's opinions at the time though. |
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Post by SicJes on Jun 5, 2023 19:22:58 GMT
Had they not jumped the shark visually, both personally and creatively with artwork etc it probably would have been an easier adjustment for many as silly as that is. I think the "New" cleaner, fresher, overall Metallica package presented to the world was just too much for many.
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Post by yepsure on Jun 5, 2023 22:07:49 GMT
Also because this was the time Metallica really crossed over from being just a popular and successful heavy metal band and became an actual brand.
The marketing machine as we know it now really kicked into gear around this time. The paid fan club kicked off, they were all over mainstream TV and radio, they hit all the popular alternative festivals on the tour, the merch started to hit another tier of ridiculousness, their marketing/graphics team aligned logos, fonts, layouts etc... on all marketing material and albums through Load - S&M.
The Black Album made them a household name, but that prep work their marketing/management organisation did before the release of Load set them up to be corporate powerhouse for the next 30 years. We all saw it happening at the time, and it was all of this (combined with the very different sounding music) that turned people off. But when talking about it they dumbed down all criticism (and still do) to be "stupid metal fans just don't like haircuts" and "yeah the photos in the booklet were over the top".
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Post by BMus1 on Jun 5, 2023 22:28:38 GMT
Also because this was the time Metallica really crossed over from being just a popular and successful heavy metal band and became an actual brand. The marketing machine as we know it now really kicked into gear around this time. The paid fan club kicked off, they were all over mainstream TV and radio, they hit all the popular alternative festivals on the tour, the merch started to hit another tier of ridiculousness, their marketing/graphics team aligned logos, fonts, layouts etc... on all marketing material and albums through Load - S&M. The Black Album made them a household name, but that prep work their marketing/management organisation did before the release of Load set them up to be corporate powerhouse for the next 30 years. We all saw it happening at the time, and it was all of this (combined with the very different sounding music) that turned people off. But when talking about it they dumbed down all criticism (and still do) to be "stupid metal fans just don't like haircuts" and "yeah the photos in the booklet were over the top". Awesome post, it never occurred to me the fanclub and all the other interactive stuff the band does now started right with Load. |
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Post by jayc on Jun 7, 2023 7:59:12 GMT
Also because this was the time Metallica really crossed over from being just a popular and successful heavy metal band and became an actual brand. The marketing machine as we know it now really kicked into gear around this time. The paid fan club kicked off, they were all over mainstream TV and radio, they hit all the popular alternative festivals on the tour, the merch started to hit another tier of ridiculousness, their marketing/graphics team aligned logos, fonts, layouts etc... on all marketing material and albums through Load - S&M. The Black Album made them a household name, but that prep work their marketing/management organisation did before the release of Load set them up to be corporate powerhouse for the next 30 years. We all saw it happening at the time, and it was all of this (combined with the very different sounding music) that turned people off. But when talking about it they dumbed down all criticism (and still do) to be "stupid metal fans just don't like haircuts" and "yeah the photos in the booklet were over the top". Also because this was the time Metallica really crossed over from being just a popular and successful heavy metal band and became an actual brand. The marketing machine as we know it now really kicked into gear around this time. The paid fan club kicked off, they were all over mainstream TV and radio, they hit all the popular alternative festivals on the tour, the merch started to hit another tier of ridiculousness, their marketing/graphics team aligned logos, fonts, layouts etc... on all marketing material and albums through Load - S&M. The Black Album made them a household name, but that prep work their marketing/management organisation did before the release of Load set them up to be corporate powerhouse for the next 30 years. We all saw it happening at the time, and it was all of this (combined with the very different sounding music) that turned people off. But when talking about it they dumbed down all criticism (and still do) to be "stupid metal fans just don't like haircuts" and "yeah the photos in the booklet were over the top". Awesome post, it never occurred to me the fanclub and all the other interactive stuff the band does now started right with Load.  Fanclub started in 1993 so was 3 years into existence by the time Load came out. But on everything else I concur with Yeppers. |
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Post by Prometheus426 on Jun 11, 2023 18:13:34 GMT
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Post by jorn on Jun 13, 2023 13:20:57 GMT
I liked this version.
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Post by Prometheus426 on Jun 13, 2023 19:42:20 GMT
How did they know it would work reversed?
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Post by ford71V8 on Jun 14, 2023 4:14:36 GMT
How did they know it would work reversed? Satan suggested it would be a winner |
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Post by herodreamer79 on Jun 14, 2023 6:23:39 GMT
How did they know it would work reversed? I've always wanted to ask james how the Blackened intro came to be played backwards. was it by design, creative spontaneity or just a happy accident? |
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Post by jayc on Jun 14, 2023 9:55:53 GMT
How did they know it would work reversed? Musically, it's just in E like the rest of the song. In terms of how the actually did it, my band did the same thing, you start out by simply hanging on a note (in this case E) and then play the parts as normal. That 'hang' then becomes the sweel that ajoins the main riff of the song. |
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Post by Prometheus426 on Jun 14, 2023 17:42:54 GMT
How did they know it would work reversed? I've always wanted to ask james how the Blackened intro came to be played backwards. was it by design, creative spontaneity or just a happy accident? That would be a great question to ask, maybe Lars or Flemming's idea? |
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Post by ModerusPrime on Jun 15, 2023 18:12:34 GMT
I like 8 songs on Load and 7 on Reload. I don't consider either one a better album over the other.
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Post by SicJes on Jun 15, 2023 23:15:39 GMT
How did they know it would work reversed? Usually when bands record backwards stuff that is thought out, they right the music how it should sound (the blackened intro as we know it.) Then they reverse it and learn to play this reversed version to the note. They then record the weird new version like any normal recording, then once all the tracks are down, they go and reverse that. So they know exactly what the end result will sound like ahead of time because they wrote the notes to play like that. The only thing missing is playing it backwards to get those reversed swells. Like at the end of Puppets, the swells before the final laugh, |
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Post by BMus1 on Jun 16, 2023 20:16:43 GMT
Just discovered that if Moth Into Flame keeps up it's spot in the setlists, it'll be the most played song since ReLoad (Fuel and Memory). It currently has 191 plays; Cyanide has 194, and Frantic has 197. Of course that won't be true if Cyanide or Frantic is added to the sets next leg, but still pretty impressive considering how much newer it is than both of them.
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Post by Zalman on Jun 17, 2023 5:51:59 GMT
Just discovered that if Moth Into Flame keeps up it's spot in the setlists, it'll be the most played song since ReLoad (Fuel and Memory). It currently has 191 plays; Cyanide has 194, and Frantic has 197. Of course that won't be true if Cyanide or Frantic is added to the sets next leg, but still pretty impressive considering how much newer it is than both of them. I think it's their best song since Reload so this pleases me. There's not a single thing I'd change about it. |
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Post by SicJes on Jun 19, 2023 18:37:38 GMT
But that middle part...
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Post by herodreamer79 on Jun 20, 2023 1:25:15 GMT
Load seems to have really gotten a new face in the fanbase in the last few years. I remember awhile back when it was way more common to see people group it with ReLoad. Now the consensus is way more in favor of it being pretty close in quality to the first 5 albums. I wouldn't go that far. It's cool for what it is, but let's not get carried away. Bleeding and Outlaw are classics. King, Sleeps, Hero and Hate are solid. The rest of the album is an uneven mixed bag of expendables that only the most loyal of metallica fans will care about. |
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Post by Awake on Jun 20, 2023 7:48:19 GMT
Load seems to have really gotten a new face in the fanbase in the last few years. I remember awhile back when it was way more common to see people group it with ReLoad. Now the consensus is way more in favor of it being pretty close in quality to the first 5 albums. I wouldn't go that far. It's cool for what it is, but let's not get carried away. Bleeding and Outlaw are classics. King, Sleeps, Hero and Hate are solid. The rest of the album is an uneven mixed bag of expendables that only the most loyal of metallica fans will care about. Cool, I'm a most loyal fan. |
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Post by SicJes on Jun 20, 2023 11:39:29 GMT
Awww so cute 🧁🧁🧁
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Post by Kimbo on Jun 20, 2023 17:38:22 GMT
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Post by SicJes on Jun 20, 2023 18:09:28 GMT
Not really. Falls in the Metallica predictable bloat category. Song would have benefited with that section before the solo cut IMO. Would have been a solid 10/10 and up there with the best stuff post 1990. As it stands IMO it's an 8.5 |
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Post by Overkill on Jun 22, 2023 13:47:41 GMT
Do you think the guys would bring out the old gear again and grow out their hair . Liek James’s eet fuk “ guitar. Kirks spider eclipse and Larss white tama
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Post by Awake on Jun 23, 2023 6:10:36 GMT
Do you think the guys would bring out the old gear again and grow out their hair . Liek James’s eet fuk “ guitar. Kirks spider eclipse and Larss white tama No. |
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Post by Prometheus426 on Jun 24, 2023 12:30:04 GMT
The Duets with Kirk/Rob might have worked if Rob could actually sing, not good.
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Post by BMus1 on Jun 24, 2023 13:05:10 GMT
The Duets with Kirk/Rob might have worked if Rob could actually sing, not good. They should bring back the instrumental doodles or a bass solo though. The set needs more organic transitions and less tapes before songs. |
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Post by SicJes on Jun 24, 2023 13:48:23 GMT
I'd be okay with strippers between songs if the guys need a break.
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Post by Awake on Jun 24, 2023 15:05:07 GMT
I'd be okay with strippers between songs if the guys need a break. Yes, I'd go to the shows again. |
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