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Post by Prometheus426 on Dec 7, 2021 19:50:44 GMT
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Post by SicJes on Dec 15, 2021 15:41:07 GMT
The couch part had me laughing 😂
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Post by SicJes on Dec 19, 2021 23:56:16 GMT
Oh wow, wtf? 😂
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Post by yepsure on Dec 22, 2021 12:28:02 GMT
Dan has said on the other forum that Tuning Room videos won't be returning...another nail in the coffin for us online fans.
With no backstage videos for years, now no more tuning room videos, no interesting setlists, no free meet and greets, no fan club, the only free online content being videos of the greatest hits we've seen 2000 times...the idea of keeping up to date with the band, following a tour, etc...its dead. Now it's just "we've partnered up with x corporation, go over there, sign up and buy y", "hey create an account here and pay to watch our live stream", "METALLICA WHISKEY METALLICA WHISKEY METALLICA WHISKEY", "WE'RE NOT A LEGACY BAND, but here's a video from Master of Puppets the other night, also buy a new $4000 Puppets watch also we've partnered with the Kardashians for DAMAGE INC METALLICA BOTOX"...it's all really shitty.
All the progress the band made in the St. Anger and Death Magnetic eras to really engage their fan base, give us all this access, online content, really build a community and online presence and following, is all but gone now and we're back in the late 90s with full corporate mode Metallica with their logo slapped on everything, and everything being a scammy business deal to extract more coin from us.
I may be overreacting but it's been a slow "death by 1000 cuts" with this band since about 2016.
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Post by BigBunny on Dec 22, 2021 12:57:36 GMT
I may be overreacting but it's been a slow "death by 1000 cuts" with this band since about 2016. I miss the Metclub, I really felt I was apart of something and that I'd invested my time and money in. PPM was a good forum, the chance to buy rare things like for example a Pushead print like this...  I was fortunate enough to be one of 279 clubbers that got picked from a raffle to buy the above print and it is a beauty. things like shift knobs were fun even if they ended up being crappy the further on the release was, Lars is a good example.  ^ good grief what a shitty colour... literally. having said that I preferred the Metclub to 5th Member. rant over  |
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Post by filthyheart on Dec 22, 2021 13:00:05 GMT
Tuning room videos were the one thing I looked forward seeing.
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Post by Zalman on Dec 22, 2021 15:28:10 GMT
My interest in Metallica peaked during the Death Magnetic tour. It was an amazing time to follow the band. The setlists were fairly varied, the tuning room videos were a blast to watch, and it all culminated with the 30th anniversary shows where we finally got to hear the missing songs we had been speculating about. 2012 was also exciting as I remember James' voice saw a dramatic improvement that year. But the following years, having to wait for the next album, were painful. That's also how I feel now. It's gotten stale, and like yepsure said, I've definitely noticed an increase in "business partnerships", and it's starting to be a big turn-off.
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Post by Wolfish on Dec 22, 2021 16:10:09 GMT
It remains to be seen how 2022 will pan out: I'm still holding my breath that the band has actually been working on new stuff during this downtime of 2 years and will release an album towards the end of 2022 with a full-on tour for 2023/24.
If we don't get any new song(s) or at least info of a new album coming soon, then it will be a real shame. For a band as big and legendary as Metallica, I sometimes feel they could've had at least 2 or 3 more studio album under their belt by now. Tour less, write more. Embrace the EP approach of 4-5 songs. Make up for lost time (which began in 2001).
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Post by Kimbo on Dec 22, 2021 20:44:00 GMT
If there are no new album by June next year, then I will
sell my tix for Copenhell. I’ve no desire to see a washed up
greatest hit performance ever again.
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Post by BMus1 on Dec 22, 2021 21:18:09 GMT
My interest in Metallica peaked during the Death Magnetic tour. It was an amazing time to follow the band. The setlists were fairly varied, the tuning room videos were a blast to watch, and it all culminated with the 30th anniversary shows where we finally got to hear the missing songs we had been speculating about. 2012 was also exciting as I remember James' voice saw a dramatic improvement that year. But the following years, having to wait for the next album, were painful. That's also how I feel now. It's gotten stale, and like yepsure said, I've definitely noticed an increase in "business partnerships", and it's starting to be a big turn-off. This except I'll raise that to 2008-2015. The Hardwired era is really when we started getting the more stale, corporate side of the band. Soundwave 2013 and Europe 2015 had some of the coolest sets the band has ever done, and it was super exciting to see them continually pull out deep cuts. 2014 though was a dud due to the casual-ness of the request tour, but I wouldn't blame the band for that one.
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Post by ford71V8 on Dec 22, 2021 22:57:11 GMT
No new material is the biggest issue.
I could probably forgive / ignore the Whiskey, $4k prints, etc if there was consistent new songs.
I only just went thru and deleted a bunch of emails....the one at the top was 40th Met merch. Instead of getting their favourite artists doing another version of a poster, go back and finish the songs and put them out.
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Post by Wolfish on Dec 22, 2021 23:22:37 GMT
What I still can't get my head around is why they keep missing opportunity after opportunity to play more both rare and never-before played songs at gigs such as the anniversary shows or other fan-oriented events. I understabnd not playing deep cuts at fest shows, or even album tours.
By now, we could've heard Am I Savage?, Murder One, Astronomy, the Dio medley, Remember Tomorrow, House Jack Built, Bad Seed, Wild Things, etc., and TLITD, Metal Militia, Jump in the Fire, Escape, Suicide & Redemption, etc.
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Post by tribeleader on Dec 22, 2021 23:30:40 GMT
I think no rest for the band is the biggest issue here. You can see their excitement while playing during the 2012-2016 era because every year is different from each other. They do something exclusively for that year. After 2016 with the first half of 2017, they are still excited to play those new tunes but with the other half of 2017, you see they are getting tired of touring. Because this touring has gotten long enough to become another Black Album tour exhaustion. Also, it didn't help James' health at all. Last year was the cure for the band. No matter what they say, in Drive-In show and AWMH show, they were sounding 10 years younger again. But now, they are doing the same mistake. If they keep doing this for the sake of money, I can see a "retirement announcement" 2 years later.
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Dec 23, 2021 2:42:51 GMT
Dan has said on the other forum that Tuning Room videos won't be returning...another nail in the coffin for us online fans. With no backstage videos for years, now no more tuning room videos, no interesting setlists, no free meet and greets, no fan club, the only free online content being videos of the greatest hits we've seen 2000 times...the idea of keeping up to date with the band, following a tour, etc...its dead. Now it's just "we've partnered up with x corporation, go over there, sign up and buy y", "hey create an account here and pay to watch our live stream", "METALLICA WHISKEY METALLICA WHISKEY METALLICA WHISKEY", "WE'RE NOT A LEGACY BAND, but here's a video from Master of Puppets the other night, also buy a new $4000 Puppets watch also we've partnered with the Kardashians for DAMAGE INC METALLICA BOTOX"...it's all really shitty. All the progress the band made in the St. Anger and Death Magnetic eras to really engage their fan base, give us all this access, online content, really build a community and online presence and following, is all but gone now and we're back in the late 90s with full corporate mode Metallica with their logo slapped on everything, and everything being a scammy business deal to extract more coin from us. I may be overreacting but it's been a slow "death by 1000 cuts" with this band since about 2016. Speaking of corporate stuff remember this?:
I think a band becomes a "legacy band" once they stop making consistent albums and start playing their greatest hits 24/7. Metallica is surely verging on that. It's been 5 years since Hardwired. Not so bad in the scope of things, but they are getting very corporatey lately. I'm wondering if it's because of the pandemic and this is just an avenue of $$$ for them until they're able to tour globally again. I think though they're on the final leg of their career and they're okay with playing a handful of songs that they can remember. I think age has a lot to do with the decision making setlist wise. I think it was BM or Zalman or someone saying they wouldn't be surprised if they start retiring songs from their more faster days. I don't blame them. Not many bands have a different setlist every show and they've shown that. Who knows though, maybe next year they'll ramp shit up again and something will happen.
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Post by ford71V8 on Dec 23, 2021 2:55:34 GMT
The performances preceding these 40th shows we all saw and heard how great they can be at their age....songs being played slower only had a positive effect. It was heavy and tight. Was surprised that angle was aborted on the weekend.
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Post by SicJes on Dec 23, 2021 3:18:11 GMT
The moment that stands out to me from show 2, was this;
Seconds before the first notes of Sandman came out of James' guitar, James was looking right at the crowd up front, with a big Hetfield grin. As soon as those first notes of Sandman rang, his grin quickly and fiercely switched to an almost hurtful, defensive scowl. Like, I think the group he was looking at probably mouthed "oh fuck off" and turned around to go get a beer or take a piss. I think alot of the crowd up front and visible to the band have that reaction now like we do here online when we are following along.
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Post by ford71V8 on Dec 23, 2021 3:38:01 GMT
The moment that stands out to me from show 2, was this; Seconds before the first notes of Sandman came out of James' guitar, James was looking right at the crowd up front, with a big Hetfield grin. As soon as those first notes of Sandman rang, his grin quickly and fiercely switched to an almost hurtful, defensive scowl. Like, I think the group he was looking at probably mouthed "oh fuck off" and turned around to go get a beer or take a piss. I think alot of the crowd up front and visible to the band have that reaction now like we do here online when we are following along.
Saw it and agree. To be surprised is no longer having your finger on the pulse.
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Post by BMus1 on Dec 23, 2021 15:09:29 GMT
The moment that stands out to me from show 2, was this; Seconds before the first notes of Sandman came out of James' guitar, James was looking right at the crowd up front, with a big Hetfield grin. As soon as those first notes of Sandman rang, his grin quickly and fiercely switched to an almost hurtful, defensive scowl. Like, I think the group he was looking at probably mouthed "oh fuck off" and turned around to go get a beer or take a piss. I think alot of the crowd up front and visible to the band have that reaction now like we do here online when we are following along. I keep saying this band has no need for setlist staples. They could be a Dave Matthews Band and Pearl Jam but they feel the need to play 5-6 of the same songs every single night. Which is even tougher now that they do 16 song sets instead of 18.
As an example, I'm also a huge Dave Matthews fan and have seen them several times over the last few years. But throughout 10ish shows I've seen them play Crash Into Me once which is by far their biggest hit single, they just don't feel the need to play it every night. If anything it's a bit of a rarity, but as a result I was HYPED to see it live. If I saw it 10 times, I'd have been peeing for half of those plays.
I can understand the argument for playing Sandman every night, probably MOP too (even though they went years without the whole thing at one point). But that's about it. But I've also made this post at least 10 times in the last 10 years lol
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Post by SicJes on Dec 23, 2021 18:34:06 GMT
If Sandman was put on the shelf for a good number of years, I think the reaction of it being played again at some point would be very positive. It's still a great song, but I think everyone needs a nice long break from it. I was hopeful when we had a few shows back with no NEM or Sandman, even the 80s staples can go. Who gets excited to hear Seek and Destroy, Hit the Lights, Bells, MOP, etc now a days? It's like trying to get off from watching the same, scratchy porno for the past 25 or so years.
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Post by jayc on Dec 24, 2021 10:19:41 GMT
Ahh it's a tough one for me. The staunch defender of the band wants to disagree with a number of thoughts in this thread... but the realist in me knows most of you are right. Kinda.
I have to be honest: Hardwired was a suprise and something I truly appreciated. I think there are songs on that album that would certainly be in my Top 20 (Moth, Halo, Spit, Dream....) so it was totally cool that they released new music. I bought the deluxe box (even though I'd already heard it streamed..... remember how nuts that period was here? Stremeing it on FV and having someone from QPrime register here to make sure we weren't sharing dload links :D ). I was even lucky enough to win tickets to the House Of Vans show on release day.
So I appreciate and still get excited about new music.
But.
I am also ok with them not releasing anything new in the future. My love for the band will never end.... how could it when we have that back catalogue. So if they decided 'Ya know what? We're just gonna tour, the summer fesitavls and select indoors areans once a year and head into semi-retirement', I'm ok with that. There is MORE than enough stuff in the vault to keep us happy.... deluxe boxsets on the way, I'm sure that they'll start releasing all the stuff Lars has at some point... so if they want to be a legacy band then that's ok with me.
And I think those that feel that is a bad thing so think on this: isn't it better for the band to acknowledge that they are just playing the songs for fun now as opposed to release new, sub-par music? Everything they have done since Puppets/TBA has been measured up against the back catalog and no new album will EVER match up to the first 5. None of them. SO there is a 50/50 chance that anything new i going to disaapoint anyway so why run the risk of tarnishing the legacy?
I suspect most of the negativity coems from a deep-rooted place of love: we want the band that we love, that means/meant so much to us to do something to continue that love, to strengthen it. But just like ANY logn term relationship, both parties have to acknowledge that things change and both peple must change with them. We've seen Metallica ct abck the touring, shorten the setlists, become more "Predicatble" with sets as a refelction of them as people. So whilst we, as fans, want something that reminds of the start of our relationshio, the reality is different. And we have to accept that. We don't have to like it, but we have to accept it.
So maybe it's on us to deal with the negativity. Maybe it's not the band. Perhaps we shoudl look at the situation and make peace with the path we are now on. And we can either stay on and go with it or we can just step back and look at ALL they have given us over 40 years and feel satisfied.
I'm getting a little teary-eyed as I write this. Simply because I am now putting into words, what I felt after Night 2 of the 40th shows....... nothing last forever and there will be a time when the people who are Metallica decide that Metallica is no more. Or maybe nautre decides it's time. I'm already, I think, starting to pull away from teh band as an on-going thing and trying to frame them as a foundation of something very important to me. Contextualizing them as legacy helps me prepare for the end.
Sorry if this is a downer of a post. I didn't know until i starter writing what would come out....
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Post by Kimbo on Dec 24, 2021 10:59:52 GMT
I could do without new music if they just ultimately became a nostalgia act, they are sorta in between right now.
They are trying to stay relevant by doing all the wrong things, they are basically whoring themselves at this point.
If you want to stay relevant in some form then release new music, that’s it! Don’t cater to the public by doing all these tv shows and shit like that. You are not the biggest band in the world anymore, stop pretending.
2016 was amazing. The feeling of a new album is what get the people exited, this place was madness, it was such a cool time like Jaysee also said.
All the other stuff, live shows, boxes, this and that. No one cares. Maybe 1% of the still existing die hards. Literally no one else gives a flying fuck. Riff tapes ? Cool, rare life performances, cool. For 5 min then that’s it. It’s like pissing in the pants with everything they do these days. In one week the 40 year thing is forgotten, it was so underwhelming.
I don’t understand what they are waiting for. Play the damn deep cuts already, they will end up dead and miss the opportunity.
I don’t wanna hear Eye of the beholder when they are 75, this is the absolute last chance of playing these songs with some kind of respects. It’s already too late, Fixxxer more than proved that.
Either release an album and then you can play the stadiums, hype themselves up etc. Or even better don’t release anything, go back and play small places where the old timers can show up and listen to some cool deep cuts.
Don’t do this, keep playing big places with the same godawful set lists.
2008-12 was probably the best era ever, the band meant the world to me. Everything was perfect. After that everything went downhill. FAST. Hardwired pulled me back, but they continued their bad decision streak so I quickly became indifferent again.
If they called it a day tomorrow I wouldn’t even blink an eye, for me they’ve ruined their legacy and they managed to make me, who have travelled the world for years, with 50+ shows under my belt, feeling like I do now. Which is I honestly don’t give a shit anymore.
It’s just sad.
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Post by jayc on Dec 24, 2021 14:03:25 GMT
I could do without new music if they just ultimately became a nostalgia act, they are sorta in between right now. They are trying to stay relevant by doing all the wrong things, they are basically whoring themselves at this point. If you want to stay relevant in some form then release new music, that’s it! Don’t cater to the public by doing all these tv shows and shit like that. You are not the biggest band in the world anymore, stop pretending. 2016 was amazing. The feeling of a new album is what get the people exited, this place was madness, it was such a cool time like Jaysee also said. All the other stuff, live shows, boxes, this and that. No one cares. Maybe 1% of the still existing die hards. Literally no one else gives a flying fuck. Riff tapes ? Cool, rare life performances, cool. For 5 min then that’s it. It’s like pissing in the pants with everything they do these days. In one week the 40 year thing is forgotten, it was so underwhelming. I don’t understand what they are waiting for. Play the damn deep cuts already, they will end up dead and miss the opportunity. I don’t wanna hear Eye of the beholder when they are 75, this is the absolute last chance of playing these songs with some kind of respects. It’s already too late, Fixxxer more than proved that. Either release an album and then you can play the stadiums, hype themselves up etc. Or even better don’t release anything, go back and play small places where the old timers can show up and listen to some cool deep cuts. Don’t do this, keep playing big places with the same godawful set lists. 2008-12 was probably the best era ever, the band meant the world to me. Everything was perfect. After that everything went downhill. FAST. Hardwired pulled me back, but they continued their bad decision streak so I quickly became indifferent again. If they called it a day tomorrow I wouldn’t even blink an eye, for me they’ve ruined their legacy and they managed to make me, who have travelled the world for years, with 50+ shows under my belt, feeling like I do now. Which is I honestly don’t give a shit anymore. It’s just sad. I hear you. But this is exactly what I was kinda alluding to in my post. I don't think this rests solely on the band. This is a relationship with two parties so a lot of how you feel is down to how you perceive the relationship. Let's look at rationally. I don't think anything they do is whoring themselves out. They don't need to do Howard Stern or Kimmel. They get asked and they agree. They did have a product (The Blacklist/TBA box) they they wanted to sell but that's not different to hiring a train in 1996 to do the press from Load on. Yeah all the Salesforce stuff and Amaon Prime stuff might feel a little icky but it's the nature of the game now. At least they held out this long. Pink Floyd's 94 tour was sponsored by a car.... Also, let's be honest, why does it matter? Who gives a shit if they do these shows? It shouldn't, rationally, change how you feel about the band unless.... well, unless you are projecting your own version, your own memory of the band onto what they are now. Then you have a disconnect. As far the locations they're playing... why would they do a club? What benefit does it have? If you can sell out a stadium or arena why wouldn't you do that? To be blunt: there's no money in playing Eye of The Beholder to 350 people. But Sandman to 20,000...... 50,000? It's the smart business move as well as to fund all that goes on in the Metallica machine. Does it please us, the fans who have been here for 30....40 years? The ones who were there when Sandman dropped... when we could only see the Load explosions live at the show? Of course not. But they are not catering to us. They are trying to cater to the widest audience possible. Do we want "our" Metallica back? Probably. But that's cos it's tied in with a time when it matted to US.... when they were OUR band... they're not that anymore. So when we see them, for us, it evokes those feelings from years ago and to see that it's not matching up to those memories... well that can hurt. But, and this is important, that is US projecting OUR feelings on a sitatuon that has changed. We just find difficulty in acknowledging that. Hard disagree on the biggest band in the world comment though. Name me another band that can sell out stadiums in the US and EU as well as 20k cap areans for mulitple nights. Guns? U2? Stones? Don't misunderstand me: I'm not saying you're wrong. You feel that way and your feelings are valid. I just think that we, as fans, sometimes can't let go of what the band was and accept what they are. Whatever they do now doesn't change the music, doesn't chagne the validity of what you felt, doesnÄt change the impact they had on your life, doesn't change how much you value them. It just means that they're not the band you once loved. And that's ok: you can still love those 4 scruffy oiks in jeans screaming at the world, or the 4 megastars in the guyliner and fluffly boa jackets..... it's all good man. They're still your band when you need them to be. Just don't expect them to the band you need them to be. |
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Post by Wolfish on Dec 24, 2021 14:48:35 GMT
I love the band and always will. And because I still believe in them, that they still have it, I want them to focus more on writing and releasing new original studio music than endlessly touring and playing MoP, Sandman and Seek & Destroy for the umpteenth time. If I thought they were done or not capable of composing quality music, I wouldn't complain or rant. Hetfield is a genius. And Kirk's sense of melody is amazing, plus he's eager to prove himself after Hardwired.
Ever since they got their own studio in 2002, I thought we'b be having loads of albums/songs to enjoy, but pretty much the opposite happened: albums were few and far between.
It's understandable they wanna celebrate their 40th anniversary or the TBA one, but at the same time why not carry on working on new stuff. They are not mutually exclusive.
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Post by Wolfish on Dec 24, 2021 16:15:07 GMT
2016 was a turning point on many levels for Metallica fans; the band's new album dropped kind of unexpectedly towards the end of the year, but before that it had been announced that there was no more MetClub and its forums as we had known them, plus the public forums were transformed into a kind of social media platform, first, and then, after those running the site realized it sucked, they came up with this hybrid form: the current forums. Most/some veterans users left or find it hard to relate, things changed quite a bit. I don't know but the forums, while still active and busy, feel a little bit cold and impersonal.
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Post by tribeleader on Dec 29, 2021 14:47:19 GMT
I don't know why but this sounds like Blackened Acoustic.
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Post by SicJes on Dec 29, 2021 18:57:36 GMT
Not bad at all.
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Dec 31, 2021 3:18:40 GMT
This beautiful mess.
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Post by filthyheart on Dec 31, 2021 11:26:16 GMT
Perfection
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Post by Prometheus426 on Dec 31, 2021 20:45:56 GMT
St. Anger intro.
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Post by Zalman on Jan 3, 2022 9:05:54 GMT
My random thought for today is that I really liked the House of the Rising Sun cover they played in late 2020. If we're lucky enough to see another Garage album I'd love to have this on it.
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