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Post by BMus1 on Nov 17, 2021 14:26:08 GMT
Being a fan of this band is so disappointing at times. Not a fan of their recent initiatives. It really does seem like money grabs. What the fans really want is new music - it's been five damn years since Hardwired. They always love to say there's no shortage of riff ideas, but that amounts to absolutely nothing if we never see them. Sometimes I try to stay optimistic and think this is them transitioning into their semi-retirement stage, but they're not even 60 yet. On the one hand I like them putting out all this content and looking back on stuff as performing musicians (as opposed to retired in their 70s) but they could be doing so much more right now. All of the stuff they're working on right now feels like things bands do in their late 60s, not late 50s. |
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Post by Prometheus426 on Nov 17, 2021 15:19:58 GMT
Being a fan of this band is so disappointing at times. Not a fan of their recent initiatives. It really does seem like money grabs. What the fans really want is new music - it's been five damn years since Hardwired. They always love to say there's no shortage of riff ideas, but that amounts to absolutely nothing if we never see them. I still can't believe people paid £200 for those boxsets.  The new album? Who knows... |
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Post by yepsure on Nov 17, 2021 21:08:04 GMT
Being a fan of this band is so disappointing at times. Not a fan of their recent initiatives. It really does seem like money grabs. What the fans really want is new music - it's been five damn years since Hardwired. They always love to say there's no shortage of riff ideas, but that amounts to absolutely nothing if we never see them. For probably 20-25 years now, being a fan of this band means being surprised, excited, happy and pumped for one thing, then cringing and being disappointed at the next 5 things. For every Deluxe Remastered Box Set, there's 5 new corporate deals for an overpriced Watch/Shoes/Jacket/Suit/Beach Towel/Car Mats/Printed Photos...for every "hey MetClub is free now!", there's "What? Metallica are now charging thousands for VIP Meet and Greets?!"...for every "holy shit they just played Frayed Ends live!", there's a "what the absolute fuck is that extremely cheesy 10 min drum jam they're all doing in middle Now That We're Dead?" It's exhausting...but we're used to it. It's their band, and often their decisions seem amazingly out of touch, so all we can do is sit back, shake our heads and complain to each other on the internet while we all wait and hope the next thing they do is the one that we're excited about. |
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Post by yepsure on Nov 17, 2021 21:08:47 GMT
Being a fan of this band is so disappointing at times. Not a fan of their recent initiatives. It really does seem like money grabs. What the fans really want is new music - it's been five damn years since Hardwired. They always love to say there's no shortage of riff ideas, but that amounts to absolutely nothing if we never see them. I still can't believe people paid £200 for those boxsets.  The new album? Who knows... There are people paying more than that now on this new website for a printed photo or poster. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Nov 17, 2021 23:23:09 GMT
Got my moneys worth from the Black boxset, still stuff in there untouched.
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Post by jayc on Nov 18, 2021 6:25:53 GMT
Being a fan of this band is so disappointing at times. Not a fan of their recent initiatives. It really does seem like money grabs. What the fans really want is new music - it's been five damn years since Hardwired. They always love to say there's no shortage of riff ideas, but that amounts to absolutely nothing if we never see them. For probably 20-25 years now, being a fan of this band means being surprised, excited, happy and pumped for one thing, then cringing and being disappointed at the next 5 things. For every Deluxe Remastered Box Set, there's 5 new corporate deals for an overpriced Watch/Shoes/Jacket/Suit/Beach Towel/Car Mats/Printed Photos...for every "hey MetClub is free now!", there's "What? Metallica are now charging thousands for VIP Meet and Greets?!"...for every "holy shit they just played Frayed Ends live!", there's a "what the absolute fuck is that extremely cheesy 10 min drum jam they're all doing in middle Now That We're Dead?" It's exhausting...but we're used to it. It's their band, and often their decisions seem amazingly out of touch, so all we can do is sit back, shake our heads and complain to each other on the internet while we all wait and hope the next thing they do is the one that we're excited about. Once again, old mate Yeppers, demonstrates why I value his opinion on all thing Metallica-related. There's a real tug of war going on in the thread about this venture over on Judas. Lots of folks being upfront and saying that this is a weird move, reeks of commerce and Kiss-levels of money grabbing... the Metallidefenders are having a hard time fighting back. Seems like the Kool Aid drinkers are losing the battle this time. Personally, I love this band. I have done since '88. But that does not mean that I will or would even consider splurging 2K for a signed photo. My fav comment over on Judas went something along the lines of.... 'Do not spend the equivalent value of a mortgage payment on a signature you were not even present at the signing of'. Totally agree. I'll let them get on with it and shilling their wares and keep dreaming of the Load box. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Nov 18, 2021 9:38:41 GMT
I've been keeping tabs on that thread too. There is subtle friction in vinylclub #2 thread also, which i agree with (hint...its about shipping costs again)
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Post by jayc on Nov 18, 2021 10:55:07 GMT
I've been keeping tabs on that thread too. There is subtle friction in vinylclub #2 thread also, which i agree with (hint...its about shipping costs again) Oh yes. Don't get me started on the VC. It's fucking insane that shipping is often 3 or 4 times that actual cost of the product. Absolutely insane. I haven't yet decided whether I will sub or not. The FOMO is strong in me...... Just an idea: the old MetClub used to run at a loss of around 500k a year. This was a cost absorbed by the organization. So why don't they do the same for the VC? Let's say the vinyl themselves are $80 for the set and shipping for outside the US is a flat rate of $50 and then the business absorbs the balance? It's not like they can't afford it and when you can theorize that the majority of sales for the VC might well come from OUTSIDE the US, isn't a good idea to ensure that that market is covered? This isn't a simple case of 'well if you can't afford it, you miss out' because there is a clear imbalance for fans simply based on their location in the world. US fans pay max a $100 all in simply by being in the country. What makes it even more fucking galling is that their record press is in fucking GERMANY. Even with Brexit it would still be cheaper to ship from the EU to UK... maybe. Definitely for EU/ROTW customers. If they are looking to set up some sort of income from merch to will go on past the point where they stop performing live, they need to open a distribution centre in the EU. Fucking ridiculous. And people using Covid as a reason why the price has gone up can cock off. To press the vinyl, sure. Materials are backed up. But postage? Get tae fuck. |
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Post by BMus1 on Nov 18, 2021 15:40:41 GMT
I've been keeping tabs on that thread too. There is subtle friction in vinylclub #2 thread also, which i agree with (hint...its about shipping costs again) Oh yes. Don't get me started on the VC. It's fucking insane that shipping is often 3 or 4 times that actual cost of the product. Absolutely insane. I haven't yet decided whether I will sub or not. The FOMO is strong in me...... Just an idea: the old MetClub used to run at a loss of around 500k a year. This was a cost absorbed by the organization. So why don't they do the same for the VC? Let's say the vinyl themselves are $80 for the set and shipping for outside the US is a flat rate of $50 and then the business absorbs the balance? Frankly I think part of it is because Metallica isn't the money making machine they were 10 years ago. Covid, James' break, and streaming have definitely impacted that, but I have also noticed their live show popularity diminishing over the last 20 years. They went from doing stadium tours or two/three night arena stands, to single arena stops. I'm not sure if that's strategic on their part because most shows still do sell out, but it's been an interesting observation. |
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Post by Zalman on Nov 18, 2021 16:48:55 GMT
Oh yes. Don't get me started on the VC. It's fucking insane that shipping is often 3 or 4 times that actual cost of the product. Absolutely insane. I haven't yet decided whether I will sub or not. The FOMO is strong in me...... Just an idea: the old MetClub used to run at a loss of around 500k a year. This was a cost absorbed by the organization. So why don't they do the same for the VC? Let's say the vinyl themselves are $80 for the set and shipping for outside the US is a flat rate of $50 and then the business absorbs the balance? Frankly I think part of it is because Metallica isn't the money making machine they were 10 years ago. Covid, James' break, and streaming have definitely impacted that, but I have also noticed their live show popularity diminishing over the last 20 years. They went from doing stadium tours or two/three night arena stands, to single arena stops. I'm not sure if that's strategic on their part because most shows still do sell out, but it's been an interesting observation. I mean, speaking for myself, as someone who has spent over a decade on this board analyzing everything Metallica, even I'm getting tired of watching live performances of the same songs again and again. |
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Post by BMus1 on Nov 18, 2021 17:47:42 GMT
Frankly I think part of it is because Metallica isn't the money making machine they were 10 years ago. Covid, James' break, and streaming have definitely impacted that, but I have also noticed their live show popularity diminishing over the last 20 years. They went from doing stadium tours or two/three night arena stands, to single arena stops. I'm not sure if that's strategic on their part because most shows still do sell out, but it's been an interesting observation. I mean, speaking for myself, as someone who has spent over a decade on this board analyzing everything Metallica, even I'm getting tired of watching live performances of the same songs again and again. Oh me too. I can't fkn wait to see them next month in San Fran, but unless they put out an absolute banger of an album, play close by at a festival, or host an event that somehow tops the 40th and S&M2, this will probably be the last time I see them. |
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Post by tribeleader on Nov 18, 2021 17:48:37 GMT
Can't believe it's been 5 years since Hardwired. Seems like it's yesterday. I kinda agree with everyone here on the new album. For musicians, writing songs are not that hard, definitely doesn't take 5-6 years lmao. It only takes 1-1,5 years in total. If they don't feel like creating new music, they don't. It's been this case since like 2008. They wanted to make another album in 2011 and that turned out... in a different way. Merchandise and all the other stuff are exactly like other millionaire bands. I saw Brian May promoting Monopoly:Queen Edition lol. So this isn't surprising to me.
For myself, I don't really feel an excitement for a new album anymore. I mean it goes from "Oh! Metallica is writing music again!" to "Oh. Metallica is writing music again." in seconds. Because what are they gonna do? The same formula, same writing, same solos, same style. I don't want to hear "some hit song's lost brother" again.
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Post by ford71V8 on Nov 18, 2021 22:34:00 GMT
Would be nice to see some re-re-invention with the next release but won;t hold my breath
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Post by ford71V8 on Nov 18, 2021 22:41:43 GMT
Oh yes. Don't get me started on the VC. ...... OK 
But yeah, those shipping costs really pushed the limit of what is acceptable. Had I not done VC Year #1 I'd be out.
But I'm a completist, I suffer FOMO, I have OCD when it comes to certain things so I've got no hope of saving my money I thought like this - if I stumbled across a unique Metallica release with unreleased music on vinyl sitting in a box at a record fair for $90 every 3 months I'd grab it every time - here I get to buy 4 in a pack but need to pay upfront.
(yeah, struggling to justify it, I just read that back)
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Post by lightning master on Nov 19, 2021 23:10:27 GMT
Hadn't thought of this fuck up for a while.
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Post by SicJes on Nov 20, 2021 5:11:02 GMT
LoL, love that one. It's a top contender along with the epic no distortion fade to black moment. should have switched back into One during the first chorus.
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Post by Awake on Nov 20, 2021 8:54:00 GMT
What exactly is the fuck up? I don't notice anything wrong.
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Post by BigBunny on Nov 20, 2021 11:00:03 GMT
What exactly is the fuck up? I don't notice anything wrong. the intro pyro was for 'one' but they ended up playing 'Fade To Black'. |
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Post by Awake on Nov 20, 2021 13:09:59 GMT
What exactly is the fuck up? I don't notice anything wrong. the intro pyro was for 'one' but they ended up playing 'Fade To Black'. I should have noticed that  |
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Post by BigBunny on Nov 20, 2021 13:12:10 GMT
the intro pyro was for 'one' but they ended up playing 'Fade To Black'. I should have noticed that the band didn't  lol |
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Post by Awake on Nov 20, 2021 13:14:53 GMT
I should have noticed that the band didn't  lol I didn't either until you pointed it out. |
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Post by tribeleader on Nov 20, 2021 15:50:29 GMT
I remember James made the same mistake in 2016 but immediately stopped.
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Post by lightning master on Nov 20, 2021 18:20:39 GMT
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Post by Awake on Nov 20, 2021 19:14:58 GMT
I remember James made the same mistake in 2016 but immediately stopped. So who made the mistake here? I assume Kirk? |
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Post by lightning master on Nov 20, 2021 23:24:43 GMT
I remember James made the same mistake in 2016 but immediately stopped. So who made the mistake here? I assume Kirk? Tribeleader meant that James has made that mistake (at least) twice, so Kirk was not involved.  (Or what do you mean?) |
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Post by Awake on Nov 21, 2021 9:00:11 GMT
So who made the mistake here? I assume Kirk? Tribeleader meant that James has made that mistake (at least) twice, so Kirk was not involved.  (Or what do you mean?) I assume that the one who starts playing first, starts the wrong song and the others just follow. |
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Post by lightning master on Nov 21, 2021 12:05:35 GMT
Tribeleader meant that James has made that mistake (at least) twice, so Kirk was not involved. (Or what do you mean?) I assume that the one who starts playing first, starts the wrong song and the others just follow. Yup, and James starts One as well as Fade to black. |
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Post by BigBunny on Nov 21, 2021 12:17:05 GMT
here's James mucking up the lyrics to Fade at the Big Day Out here in Australia  |
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Nov 22, 2021 1:43:55 GMT
Jesus Christ.
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Post by SicJes on Nov 22, 2021 1:58:04 GMT
Crazy stuff. The real shocker part is that they were probably pretty loaded and pulled it off.
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lol
lol
