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Post by Kimbo on Sept 12, 2017 16:13:22 GMT
Some solos he just nails every time, others not so much. It's indeed weird
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 19:20:42 GMT
I don't get how Kirk is so flawless on his solo here, and yet struggle with seemingly easier stuff. I'm no guitarist, is it just me? Because Metallica. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Sept 13, 2017 0:34:34 GMT
I don't get how Kirk is so flawless on his solo here, and yet struggle with seemingly easier stuff. I'm no guitarist, is it just me? Muscle memory and just being very confortable with a particular solo would probably be the answer. Dude could probably play some of those early ones in his sleep. Its the very simple stuff like the One intro bit where I don't get how he can muff it so bad. A little bit of emotion and a few subtle bends seems impossible for him at some gigs. Also its cool you and others post these vids here in the tour section. I'm sure I'd never bother otherwise and I enjoyed that Damage vid |
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Post by SicJes on Sept 13, 2017 0:40:34 GMT
To be fair, Damage Inc has one of the easier solos, but yeah. Kirk baffles me. Frayed Ends, sure, no problem, intro to One... Hasn't really pulled it off in many years. Go figure.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 0:49:39 GMT
It's the law of Metallica.
A performance can be completely awesome, but there is almost always going to be one part fucked up to keep it from being perfect, and that part is usually something that is easy and should not cause the guys trouble.
I've accepted that this is a real thing.
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Post by heini92 on Sept 13, 2017 4:51:25 GMT
For sure. They are my favorite band, but I've never really understood their logic.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 12:27:50 GMT
I really hope we get a proshot of this. James is killing it on vocals.
The "he binds your soul" part sounds bad ass.
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Sept 13, 2017 14:30:57 GMT
Oh I remember a concert where Kirk fucked up the Damage Inc. solo, not horribly, but he did (can't remember which off the top of my head). I think it comes down how much he practices it. Like every time I saw a MetOnTour video pre-2015, he's always asking to play that solo in Ride the Lightning, because he has trouble with it. I guess he thinks the intro on One he can do as long as he does it a lot on stage which they do since it's always on the set list.
Metallica Law #3:
A completely awesome show Metallica will have, but lead guitarist will always have problems on solo even on easy difficulty.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 19:35:56 GMT
Of Wolf and Man!
Sweet.
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Post by jackers on Sept 14, 2017 2:19:43 GMT
There it is!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 2:39:29 GMT
That performance of Blitzkrieg is fucking bad ass. Really good job there.
Was digging Dream and then Kirk came in with the solo. Jesus Christ.
Good job on the vocals by Rob. I'm glad we can hear him on this mix.
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Post by LeeClaire on Sept 14, 2017 5:23:25 GMT
Oh I remember a concert where Kirk fucked up the Damage Inc. solo, not horribly, but he did (can't remember which off the top of my head). I think it comes down how much he practices it. Like every time I saw a MetOnTour video pre-2015, he's always asking to play that solo in Ride the Lightning, because he has trouble with it. I guess he thinks the intro on One he can do as long as he does it a lot on stage which they do since it's always on the set list.
Metallica Law #3:
A completely awesome show Metallica will have, but lead guitarist will always have problems on solo even on easy difficulty. Why is your font all fucked up these days? |
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Post by jackers on Sept 14, 2017 6:04:39 GMT
That's his metaphor for Kirks playing. When you see Metallica show you get the message but there's something off.
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Post by yepsure on Sept 14, 2017 9:03:58 GMT
Guys.... I'm gonna be all negative and whiny again sorry.
The Dream performance was cool, except for the awful solo and a lot of the vocals. The "CANT LOOK AWAYY" parts were borderline out of key, for example.
The Blitzkrieg performance, while I love that they brought it out and played it, it looked like none of them except Lars were actually into the song. James was basically stationary the whole song. Dream wasn't quite as bad, but still kinda boring.
I thought bringing out the rarer songs would inject some energy back into the shows, and I know I'm only judging video performances, but man they seem like they are so fucking bored.
Kimbo/others who have seen them recently - are these videos accurate representations of energy on stage?
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Post by Kimbo on Sept 14, 2017 9:10:35 GMT
That performance of Blitzkrieg is fucking bad ass. Really good job there. Was digging Dream and then Kirk came in with the solo. Jesus Christ. Good job on the vocals by Rob. I'm glad we can hear him on this mix. Me too. Dream solo was really rough, Blitzkrieg solo was awesome |
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Post by Kimbo on Sept 14, 2017 9:19:35 GMT
Guys.... I'm gonna be all negative and whiny again sorry. The Dream performance was cool, except for the awful solo and a lot of the vocals. The "CANT LOOK AWAYY" parts were borderline out of key, for example. The Blitzkrieg performance, while I love that they brought it out and played it, it looked like none of them except Lars were actually into the song. James was basically stationary the whole song. Dream wasn't quite as bad, but still kinda boring. I thought bringing out the rarer songs would inject some energy back into the shows, and I know I'm only judging video performances, but man they seem like they are so fucking bored. Kimbo/others who have seen them recently - are these videos accurate representations of energy on stage? I would say yes, there's energy there but not like the DM tour. Unfortunately I feel like it's their age that is really starting to show, it really seems like they struggle at times. It's hard to pin point what is different but something is, it could be age/old hurting bodies, boredom, fed up with the whole thing, bad chemistry within the band, who knows. But this is certainly the first time I've thought to myself, wow, they really are getting old. And its totally fair and understandable too, they are approaching 60 and it must mess with their heads if they are starting to feel like they can't perform at a 100% anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 11:54:19 GMT
Guys.... I'm gonna be all negative and whiny again sorry. The Dream performance was cool, except for the awful solo and a lot of the vocals. The "CANT LOOK AWAYY" parts were borderline out of key, for example. The Blitzkrieg performance, while I love that they brought it out and played it, it looked like none of them except Lars were actually into the song. James was basically stationary the whole song. Dream wasn't quite as bad, but still kinda boring. I thought bringing out the rarer songs would inject some energy back into the shows, and I know I'm only judging video performances, but man they seem like they are so fucking bored. Kimbo/others who have seen them recently - are these videos accurate representations of energy on stage? I would say yes, there's energy there but not like the DM tour. Unfortunately I feel like it's their age that is really starting to show, it really seems like they struggle at times. It's hard to pin point what is different but something is, it could be age/old hurting bodies, boredom, fed up with the whole thing, bad chemistry within the band, who knows. But this is certainly the first time I've thought to myself, wow, they really are getting old. And its totally fair and understandable too, they are approaching 60 and it must mess with their heads if they are starting to feel like they can't perform at a 100% anymore. :( |
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Post by jackers on Sept 14, 2017 13:32:23 GMT
I think you need to take off your dm tour nostalgic glasses because it can distort reality.
This performance is not much better energy wise and definitely worse musically.
I remember couple months back you were praising one of the Atlas Rise performance and Through the Never from recent ones while whining (as you called it) about Blitzkrieg and Blackened. The thing is that the first two are from the beginning of the set while the others are from the later part of it. No shit that 55 year olds are going to get tired on the second hour of the concert. And the same thing was on the DM tour.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 13:33:32 GMT
They did seem to have a lot more energy at the Paris show.
Maybe it was just a bad night? Who knows.
But they are getting older and obviously that plays a part. I think all of the guys except for Kirk are much more solid on this tour, at least they were at the show I went to when compared to the DM show I saw.
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Sept 14, 2017 18:40:02 GMT
Oh I remember a concert where Kirk fucked up the Damage Inc. solo, not horribly, but he did (can't remember which off the top of my head). I think it comes down how much he practices it. Like every time I saw a MetOnTour video pre-2015, he's always asking to play that solo in Ride the Lightning, because he has trouble with it. I guess he thinks the intro on One he can do as long as he does it a lot on stage which they do since it's always on the set list.
Metallica Law #3:
A completely awesome show Metallica will have, but lead guitarist will always have problems on solo even on easy difficulty. Why is your font all fucked up these days? |
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Post by yepsure on Sept 14, 2017 20:54:32 GMT
I think you need to take off your dm tour nostalgic glasses because it can distort reality. This performance is not much better energy wise and definitely worse musically. I remember couple months back you were praising one of the Atlas Rise performance and Through the Never from recent ones while whining (as you called it) about Blitzkrieg and Blackened. The thing is that the first two are from the beginning of the set while the others are from the later part of it. No shit that 55 year olds are going to get tired on the second hour of the concert. And the same thing was on the DM tour. Yeah, I praised them because they were great performances, with lots of energy and the guys seemed to be enjoying themselves. Which have been rare occurances on this tour cycle, at least based on the videos we've seen. You're saying my standards are high/wrong, that I shouldn't be comparing these performances to past performances. You're right of course, but I do try to judge each video based on that video alone. I'm not criticising the band for being older, for being tired, etc.... I'm pointing out how the guys don't seem like they want to be on stage playing music in some of these videos, which has resulted in low energy and somewhat boring performances. |
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Post by Lady Hetfield on Sept 15, 2017 8:37:37 GMT
Ièguess its mostly a guys thing.èi hear it when they play not the way it should be, but i am not technical and cant say what is wrong. I just know almost every tune, riff, vocal by heart and somethimes it sounds not right for me, but hey...i am not bothered by that. I have seen them like 10 times live and it works for me always. Exept in amsterdam. I was bored there, but that had to do with the seats etc...
I find it fascinating to see how far you guys go with analyzing all the bits of their playing 🤓
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Post by LeeClaire on Sept 15, 2017 8:48:55 GMT
I find it fascinating to see how far you guys go with analyzing all the bits of their playing  |
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Post by yepsure on Sept 15, 2017 9:20:45 GMT
They played Stone Cold Crazy, pretty cool.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 9:25:23 GMT
They played Stone Cold Crazy, pretty cool. James sounds so damn good when he sings in that range. Cool performance. I need to go to a gig across the pond. They are getting some awesome set lists. HOPEFULLY they do a US arena tour that has these rarities sprinkled in. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 9:56:16 GMT
I rarely ever watch live Metallica performances anymore. I watched a few of the Hardwired songs' live debuts, but outside of that, never. Partially because I am so, so burnt out on Metallica's pre-Black Album catalogue, partially because... I don't know. It seems like a waste of time to watch them play Sad But True for the 4800th time.
All that is to say, I had no idea how lackluster the performances had become until I browsed this thread. Are you guys cherry picking the turds here, or is this them now?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2017 10:02:36 GMT
I rarely ever watch live Metallica performances anymore. I watched a few of the Hardwired songs' live debuts, but outside of that, never. Partially because I am so, so burnt out on Metallica's pre-Black Album catalogue, partially because... I don't know. It seems like a waste of time to watch them play Sad But True for the 4800th time. All that is to say, I had no idea how lackluster the performances had become until I browsed this thread. Are you guys cherry picking the turds here, or is this them now? LOL. This is what they sound like now. The videos we post are usually the GOOD performances from gigs. Do what you must with that information. Like I said earlier, the playing is tighter than on the DM tour except for Kirk. They're just getting older and aren't running around like crazy people anymore. It's actually making me kind of sad. :( I've kept up with their live stuff for about 10-15 years now and this is the first time they've really shown signs of slowing down a little. :( I hate age. |
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Post by lightning master on Sept 15, 2017 10:33:10 GMT
All that is to say, I had no idea how lackluster the performances had become until I browsed this thread. Are you guys cherry picking the turds here, or is this them now? Which performances did you check out? |
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Post by Hero for an hour on Sept 15, 2017 10:33:37 GMT
Went to the first gig in Cologne yesterday. Wasn't Lars best day, did a lot of mistakes, but still overall a solid performance except for Kirk at times. Engerywise it was ok, nothing more. This was my 8th show on this tour and the only times they really delivered were at the gigs in Baltimore and in Copenhagen in February. I've got no problem with that, since they get older and I'm still enjoying it and seeing them is always awesome.
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Post by lightning master on Sept 15, 2017 10:40:17 GMT
Am I the only one who thinks Stone cold crazy is quite a boring song? It's cool that they played it and I watched the performance, but the song itself has never done that much for me.
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