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Post by Prometheus426 on May 29, 2023 17:18:14 GMT
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Post by herodreamer79 on May 31, 2023 3:42:07 GMT
Load had the benefit of following the black album hype.
not surprised by Justice given that it has 3 live staples; One, Harvester, and Blackened.
One a top 3 Metallica song.
older records will never be touched now that music has gone digital and there's a thing called piracy.
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Post by jayc on Jun 2, 2023 11:24:33 GMT
Confirms my opinion: those are the best 5 Metallica albums.
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Post by Jayzon on Jun 2, 2023 13:36:46 GMT
Confirms my opinion: those are the best 5 Metallica albums. I'd switch MoP out of the Top 5 for Hardwired, but otherwise, yeah those are the best Metallica albums. |
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Post by jayc on Jun 3, 2023 8:51:12 GMT
Confirms my opinion: those are the best 5 Metallica albums. I'd switch MoP out of the Top 5 for Hardwired, but otherwise, yeah those are the best Metallica albums. That is quite the hot take  |
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Post by Jayzon on Jun 3, 2023 12:30:16 GMT
I'd switch MoP out of the Top 5 for Hardwired, but otherwise, yeah those are the best Metallica albums. That is quite the hot take  I know. I'm not saying MoP is a bad album, I just don't think it's quite as great as most people think. To me, it's a bit overrated, kinda like Rust in Peace is for Megadeth. |
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Post by jayc on Jun 4, 2023 9:39:42 GMT
That is quite the hot take I know. I'm not saying MoP is a bad album, I just don't think it's quite as great as most people think. To me, it's a bit overrated, kinda like Rust in Peace is for Megadeth. Ooof TWO sacred cows in one post? You are living on the edge my friend! Fari point though: art is subjective etc |
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Post by herodreamer79 on Jun 4, 2023 9:59:25 GMT
MOP is a great record, but we all know that it's greatness has been inflated by the posthumous aggrandizing of Cliff Burton that even today remains at "heath ledger" levels of ridiculous.
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Post by jayc on Jun 4, 2023 11:42:27 GMT
MOP is a great record, but we all know that it's greatness has been inflated by the posthumous aggrandizing of Cliff Burton that even today remains at "heath ledger" levels of ridiculous. Maybe. But for me, for an album to be considered a masterpiece is one that I skip zero tracks on. MOP is that for me. I can listen to it from start to finish without interuption. |
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Post by Jayzon on Jun 4, 2023 15:02:52 GMT
MOP is a great record, but we all know that it's greatness has been inflated by the posthumous aggrandizing of Cliff Burton that even today remains at "heath ledger" levels of ridiculous. This is definitely a part of why I don't rate MoP as high as most. I hate the American tradition of glorifying the dead. A tragic death does not make an artist better or untouchable. Of course Burton was great and I love his playing on the old albums, but come on. He's not a god. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Jun 5, 2023 4:35:44 GMT
MoP received high praise before Cliff died but I do get what you mean.
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Post by Jayzon on Jun 5, 2023 20:24:02 GMT
MoP received high praise before Cliff died but I do get what you mean. For sure, but would it have been glorified as much is Cliff lived? I mean, it'd still probably be considered an all-time great metal album, but as untouchable as it is now? I doubt it. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Jun 6, 2023 4:24:01 GMT
MoP received high praise before Cliff died but I do get what you mean. For sure, but would it have been glorified as much is Cliff lived? I mean, it'd still probably be considered an all-time great metal album, but as untouchable as it is now? I doubt it. I think that would depend on what followed MoP with Cliff still on bass. Maybe the peak had already been reached....if not then the followup could be the one everyone today holds in the highest regard. |
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Post by jayc on Jun 7, 2023 7:45:57 GMT
For sure, but would it have been glorified as much is Cliff lived? I mean, it'd still probably be considered an all-time great metal album, but as untouchable as it is now? I doubt it. I think that would depend on what followed MoP with Cliff still on bass. Maybe the peak had already been reached....if not then the followup could be the one everyone today holds in the highest regard. This is a really fascinating talking point! Most of the 'What if Cliff had lived' talk centers around the stylistic changes on TBA and Load but very rarely is it 'how would they have followed up MOP'. There's a school of thought, perhaps, that the death of Cliff had some bearing on the unwieldy nature of AJFA: gone is the bludgeoning thrash and in place, a more controlled and thought-out technicality. Almost the opposite to Cliff's nature or improv and "wild lead bass stuff. Interesting.... |
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Post by Overkill on Jun 7, 2023 13:58:41 GMT
Cliff died so Justice could exist. Change my mind.
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Post by Prometheus426 on Jun 7, 2023 14:43:51 GMT
I'd say the greatest metal album of all time is a toss up between MOP and TBA, closely followed by CTE.
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