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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2019 23:21:29 GMT
Just a note to the opinion that Metallica selling alcohol could have led to this.... Let’s not forget that his first stint in rehab also listed “other addictions”. We don’t know it’s booze, it could be something else. If I had to make a second guess, it's painkillers. An unfortunately common addiction now and one that doesn't take decades to kill you. You're better off abusing alcohol. |
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Post by SicJes on Sept 29, 2019 3:18:09 GMT
I just hope that out of respect to his band mates, they are somewhat more in the loop this time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 6:59:37 GMT
Just a note to the opinion that Metallica selling alcohol could have led to this.... Let’s not forget that his first stint in rehab also listed “other addictions”. We don’t know it’s booze, it could be something else. Also as others have pointed out, you can abstain from something whilst working in that arena. It’s not ideal but it’s an individual choice. On topic: I hope he gets the help he needs and is able to return. But not to Metallica, just to the world. Looking through some of the FB and IG comments, the ones that say “we need you” or “the world needs you” etc get under my skin. We know part of his issues has always been the hero worship attached to his life and how much he resists that (hence his decision to stop attending the free meet and greets). That’s a huge weight on ones shoulders to feel that people you’ve never even met ‘need’ you; that somehow their lives would be negatively impacted if he wasn’t “in” them. I think people should realise that and wish him well for HIM not for some selfish reason. I want him to get better and healthier. For him and his family. Not so I can have more records. If this is it, then that’s fine with me. He’s given me enough over the 31 years I’ve been a fan. (No judgement meant towards anyone in this thread BTW) Very insightful, Jay. Agreed, completely. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 7:03:01 GMT
Just a note to the opinion that Metallica selling alcohol could have led to this.... Let’s not forget that his first stint in rehab also listed “other addictions”. We don’t know it’s booze, it could be something else. If I had to make a second guess, it's painkillers. An unfortunately common addiction now and one that doesn't take decades to kill you. You're better off abusing alcohol. If I had to guess, based on Joe Berlinger's book, I'm thinking "other addictions" might be females. Who really knows. Whatever it is, it was serious enough for him to cancel a tour, which I'm positive he does not do lightly. |
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Post by General Smithers on Sept 29, 2019 10:05:40 GMT
Glad he was at least able to perform the S&M concert before this happened. Wonder if he was really struggling prior to that and just wanted to get through that concert and then get help.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 11:31:13 GMT
New album 2027?
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Post by lightning master on Sept 29, 2019 13:14:23 GMT
Sure, I'll take the bait. You're just a fucking virus aren't you. |
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Post by jackers on Sept 29, 2019 23:16:22 GMT
So... at first I didn't want to post anything about this situation neither here nor on judas. However I found out something interesting that may give a little insight. Last month there was a Bokassa interview (band that supported Metallica alongside with Ghost on the last euro tour) on some polish radio podcast. On that interview the host asked them to share some behind the scenes stories about touring with Metallica. The guys from Bokassa basically said that "the party day" for Metallica starts around 12 at night and that it can last till morning. He said that they were being invited to the dinner parties at 12 after the shows and there was lots of beer and champagne served. Then one of them as a joke said that Lars invited him after the dinner back to his hotel room and they were drinking till 9 am till the hotel service found them wasted. You can listen to it here: soundcloud.com/masarniauzenka/sezon-6-epizod-24-bokassa-wywiad-po-angielsku-20082019(The story starts at 1:25:00) Now obviously I don't suspect James to live the Lars's lifestyle on tour. He most likely didn't party all night long. However he was probably attending some of those dinners with other bands where alocohol was served. It could have only been few innocent drinks here and there till Het freaked out and realized that old demons are still there. I don't know its all speculation. I'm still quite suprised thou, that Lars still parties hard like it's 1996 or so. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 23:25:03 GMT
If I had to make a second guess, it's painkillers. An unfortunately common addiction now and one that doesn't take decades to kill you. You're better off abusing alcohol. If I had to guess, based on Joe Berlinger's book, I'm thinking "other addictions" might be females. Who really knows. Whatever it is, it was serious enough for him to cancel a tour, which I'm positive he does not do lightly. I figured he was taking his wife/family on tour these days. I thought I remembered one of them mentioning it They take planes to the gigs and head out after, either right back home or a nearby vacation spot before the next show. And they only tend to play like 2 shows a week. I don't see where James has time for groupies in all of that. He doesn't even do the meet n greets. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2019 23:45:55 GMT
If I had to guess, based on Joe Berlinger's book, I'm thinking "other addictions" might be females. Who really knows. Whatever it is, it was serious enough for him to cancel a tour, which I'm positive he does not do lightly. I figured he was taking his wife/family on tour these days. I thought I remembered one of them mentioning it They take planes to the gigs and head out after, either right back home or a nearby vacation spot before the next show. And they only tend to play like 2 shows a week. I don't see where James has time for groupies in all of that. He doesn't even do the meet n greets. A rock star touring the world for three straight years would certainly have plenty of opportunities, I seriously doubt the family was in tow for every gig. It's all speculation anyway. Odds are, he's back in primarily for alcohol. Hopefully just a slip up or two he wanted to nip in the bud, and not a full-blown relapse. |
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Post by SicJes on Sept 30, 2019 1:05:21 GMT
It sucks that James is MIA at the moment, but, maybe Lars and co. Can Settle in at HQ and work on the rereleases, S&M2 the package, some other small things like that. Stuff to keep busy and focused.
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Post by yepsure on Sept 30, 2019 8:41:22 GMT
Maybe its just me, and this isn’t directed at anyone in particular, but the whole speculating thing, looking at their after show parties or instagram photos, analysing things Het said or did, the alcoholic products they are promoting, or looking at his appearance and making assumptions, etc... to be super fucking creepy.
He might feel like a friend or family to some people, but none of us know the guy. We like his music, support his band (and him by extension). We don’t know what’s going on with him - maybe he’s addicted to painkillers, mainly he’s been drinking in secret, maybe one of his best mates just passed away and he’s had serious cravings to drink and wanted to get ahead of it, maybe he’s been banging all this groupies, maybe this is his 8th time in rehab and this is just the second time they’ve made it public...frankly it’s none of our business.
If he had pneumonia no one would be analysing photos saying “omg look at his eyes it must be when he started to get sick”, or “I woke up crying thinking about poor James I just want to hug him and his poor kids”, or “omg he looked fine when I saw him in February 2017” or “wow he sounded so good at S&M2 how could this happen”, or “fuck this is bullshit man spoilt rich people cancelling tours”, or “man I saw on Instagram he wasn’t wearing a jacket when travelling pretty sure thats what caused it”, “get well I really want to see Blackened live”.
I get because its a mental health thing people aren’t sure how to react, and want to express support, but some of these posts are truely over the top. Remember Hetfield himself stepped away from social media and meet and greets because of super creepy fan behaviour.
Whatever the issue is, he’s unhealthy and he’s gone to get help for it. Let’s respect the guy and his family and not go all TMZ/crazy celebrity stalker on him.
EDIT: not directed at anyone here, just a rant at all the stuff I’ve been seeing posted all over the place
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Post by spartanmcdoodle on Sept 30, 2019 10:08:13 GMT
While I understand and mostly agree with what you are saying, it was quite visible in his appearance that he was either getting burnt out or something over the last year. Many have said 'yeah he's getting old' etc but that's just rubbish.
I don't think specifically this forum is too bad in chucking speculation or theories around because most of us really do care. We just don't know how to face it when we don't have any info but the other social media platforms are fucking awful. It's probably the thing I worry about most is how he, or anyone else with that profile for that matter, deals with something like this in the public eye. That must be fucking hard.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 15:34:32 GMT
The lack of privacy is definitely worse than ever today and will only ever get worse.
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Post by jayc on Sept 30, 2019 18:29:32 GMT
Maybe its just me, and this isn’t directed at anyone in particular, but the whole speculating thing, looking at their after show parties or instagram photos, analysing things Het said or did, the alcoholic products they are promoting, or looking at his appearance and making assumptions, etc... to be super fucking creepy. That’s a fucking A+ post, right there. |
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Post by ModerusPrime on Sept 30, 2019 21:32:56 GMT
I completely agree, 100%.
A lot of the speculation going on is ridiculous at best and utterly absurd at it's worst.
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Post by ford71V8 on Oct 1, 2019 0:37:37 GMT
I feel bad that my first reactions included the impact it had on me.
Made me realise just how much I was looking forward to the coming tour.
I wasn't able to lock in every show but I was travelling enough to make me feel I was gonna be part of their circus. With not long to go I was just getting into that headspace.
But after a couple of days to let it all sink in, the main thought I keep having is "How tough would that have been to make that call so close to the tour start?" That is enough for me to be sure things are in bad shape. At least he has some understanding of what is happening and how it gets dealt with.
I believe there is more Metallica chapters coming. The band, and James especially, will not allow their journey to end with a story about James entering rehab then game over.
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Post by ford71V8 on Oct 1, 2019 0:40:02 GMT
“man I saw on Instagram he wasn’t wearing a jacket when travelling pretty sure thats what caused it”, “get well I really want to see Blackened live”. Appreciate your post yep, but these 2 made me chuckle. Did you make this shit up or did people actually write that? That last one   so sincere. |
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Post by SicJes on Oct 1, 2019 2:04:13 GMT
It had to be the stache. You know those things are dangerous.
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Post by yepsure on Oct 1, 2019 2:52:31 GMT
“man I saw on Instagram he wasn’t wearing a jacket when travelling pretty sure thats what caused it”, “get well I really want to see Blackened live”. Appreciate your post yep, but these 2 made me chuckle. Did you make this shit up or did people actually write that? That last one so sincere. I made them up mate haha |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 3:10:49 GMT
Probably needs a break from Lars/Q-Prime.
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Post by jayc on Oct 1, 2019 3:35:59 GMT
Probably needs a break from Lars/Q-Prime. Much like we need a break from you. And that’s coming from me, who actually had a 3 year break from you..... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2019 4:00:33 GMT
All I'll say is it's natural to speculate, especially when it's someone you care about (which I don't think it would be maudlin to say we all here care about James on some level). If a friend or family member commits suicide, it isn't the natural human instinct to say, "Oh well, none of our business, what's done is done". Our natural instinct is to say, "Why? Why would they do this? What happened? Why didn't I see it coming?"
It also helps those that care cope with their own feelings on the matter. So yeah, some of the speculation has been a little out there-- basically concerned people throwing darts in the darkness-- but I wouldn't admonish anyone for having the very natural instinct to do so.
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Post by yepsure on Oct 1, 2019 9:31:05 GMT
Maybe it’s not all speculation I’m against, more so how people are expressing it or taking to creepy extremes.
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Post by killemallforone on Oct 2, 2019 19:01:48 GMT
I'm so sad. I've known not to take them for granted these last 5 years or so, but this really hits home.
I can't help but be curious about what happened. Was it one drink at home? Had he been getting on the beers with the boys again? Did having grown up children make him think he could have the occasional drinks? Obviously it's none of my business but still can't help but wonder.
God bless you James, get healthy.
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Post by SicJes on Oct 3, 2019 2:05:20 GMT
Maybe it was those Kirk and Rob doodles every night that pushed him over the edge 😔
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Post by Alan-P on Oct 3, 2019 11:22:15 GMT
So i'm guessing James being on the sauce is the reason Hard Wired was good...
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Post by jackers on Oct 3, 2019 12:42:27 GMT
So i'm guessing James being on the sauce is the reason Hard Wired was good... Nice disguise hetfieldsrage |
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Post by ford71V8 on Oct 4, 2019 4:12:37 GMT
Tony Iommi is a good dude
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Post by Wolfish on Oct 10, 2019 1:27:00 GMT
If I had to make a second guess, it's painkillers. An unfortunately common addiction now and one that doesn't take decades to kill you. You're better off abusing alcohol. If I had to guess, based on Joe Berlinger's book, I'm thinking "other addictions" might be females. Who really knows. Whatever it is, it was serious enough for him to cancel a tour, which I'm positive he does not do lightly. Weren't other addictions pain killers and chocolate? |
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so sincere.
