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Post by BMus1 on Aug 30, 2020 17:57:07 GMT
I think he’s actually an employee for HQ and the guys drafted him and some of his other band members for the acoustic show in 2018. His vocal blend with James is A+ so I’d love to see him more often for acoustic performances. Bring him on tour and have him do backing vocals for an acoustic mini-set instead of the Kirk/Rob doodle!
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Post by lightning master on Aug 31, 2020 19:42:19 GMT
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Post by lightning master on Sept 1, 2020 21:27:58 GMT
Cool! Listen with headphones.
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Post by ford71V8 on Sept 2, 2020 7:34:38 GMT
So my S&M2 box with the BluRay is on its way now so I need to buy a BluRay player. Is this a 4K BluRay? Do I need to buy a player that reads 4k?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2020 9:56:32 GMT
So my S&M2 box with the BluRay is on its way now so I need to buy a BluRay player. Is this a 4K BluRay? Do I need to buy a player that reads 4k? This isn't a 4k release. |
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Post by BMus1 on Sept 2, 2020 14:29:17 GMT
If you want a future proof piece of tech though and are planning on owning more Blu-Rays, go with 4k. It's going to become the norm in the next few years.
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Post by Zalman on Sept 2, 2020 14:47:11 GMT
Maybe it's just me but I feel James' mustache makes him look significantly older. Like he aged several years as soon as he started rocking it.
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Post by ford71V8 on Sept 4, 2020 0:05:26 GMT
If you want a future proof piece of tech though and are planning on owning more Blu-Rays, go with 4k. It's going to become the norm in the next few years.
Yeah, have been thinking that might be the way to go.
But as its taken this long for me to own even a BluRay player it shows you how important it is to me to keep up with the latest tech.
Was having this quality / 4K convo last night .....4k might look and sound amazing but means nothing to me if the content is not appealing. I watched Pearl Jam Pinkpop 92 last night...was great and not once had a thought of how much better it could be if it was filmed in HD, etc.
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Post by metman18 on Sept 4, 2020 3:42:50 GMT
Man this album just isn’t doing anything for me. The mix is really unimpressive, and I can’t help but compare to the original performances. Maybe there are elements in S&M2 that are better performance-wise, but I think I’m just too used to S&M1 that everything just feels off.
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Post by tribeleader on Sept 4, 2020 21:55:55 GMT
holy shit that autotune lol
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Post by Ruflux on Sept 5, 2020 9:22:13 GMT
Oh boy, that's pretty bad. I really feel like James's vocals are a bit of a sore point for S&M2 in general. They really cocked up putting such an important show right at the tail end of a lengthy tour cycle. His voice was worn down all throughout 2019 and much worse off than it was in 2018 or earlier.
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Post by tribeleader on Sept 5, 2020 11:24:51 GMT
It's even more obvious in here
imo, James' voice is buried in the mix like any late LiveMet mix.
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Post by SicJes on Sept 5, 2020 13:14:17 GMT
So those are the vocals somewhat isolated or boosted? Please don't tell me that that is the final product.
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Post by yepsure on Sept 8, 2020 22:07:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2020 14:43:07 GMT
I'm not really hearing autotune in those 'James only' videos.
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Post by jayc on Sept 10, 2020 7:51:51 GMT
I'm not really hearing autotune in those 'James only' videos. Me either but I assumed that was cos I'm a deaf fool. |
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Post by BMus1 on Sept 10, 2020 13:17:09 GMT
It seems like they worked at individual songs pretty deeply because the tuning varies a lot song to song. TDTNC is the worst offender, especially in the verses. You can hear the digital tuning jumps super clearly on that one.
Also hearing No Leaf Clover's vocals confirms it's a godawful edit beyond any shadow of doubt.
Also also, it always bothered me that James' timing was a bit off before the solo of UF III, but watching that tuning room video made me go back to the night one performance and he messed it up pretty badly, so there was no other usable take besides the timing issues from N2. I remember people saying N1 was a LOT looser than N2 but I want to go and watch the differences. The only ones I know of are that and the end of Confusion was super rough (also referenced in the tuning room video).
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Post by tribeleader on Sept 10, 2020 14:44:58 GMT
Another editing mistake in Memory Remains, in the first singalong part where James sings "WOOOHOAAOOOHOH" there is cut in the beginning of it
Listen to it
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Post by jackers on Sept 10, 2020 19:50:36 GMT
I wish they did the same on Halo with "Hello darkness say goodbay WOOOHOOAAAA"
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Post by Ruflux on Sept 10, 2020 20:22:32 GMT
Modern vocal tuning software is very, very good so it's pretty hard to notice it sometimes even when you're looking for it. I picked up some oddness while listening to the album, but only really could tell they were using autotune or similar when listening to the isolated vocals.
Really, it's a bit odd how many mistakes and minor editing gaffes they left in here. It's unusual for Metallica, especially for such a big release. They typically even edited shit like single b-side live takes to remove fuck-ups back in the day, but their biggest concert film release to date is where they decide to go for amateur hour instead with repetitive drum samples and blatant errors left in the final product. It's not like they shied away from studio overdubs for live releases before.
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Post by heini92 on Sept 11, 2020 15:27:54 GMT
The problem is they just can't be bothered anymore.
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Post by BMus1 on Sept 11, 2020 17:51:27 GMT
Yeah I'm nervous Metallica's production values are shifting to a new type of lazy. In the DM-era we had so much material that was TOO raw, to the point of it barely being mixed and cleaned up let alone actual editing to fix mistakes. Now we're starting to get to a place of sample-heavy drums and autotuned vocals to slap a coat of paint over those old issues, while not addressing other places to improve.
Through The Never, Lulu (instrumentally) & Ronnie Rising are the perfect balance of production that the guys have struck this decade. It's like a spectrum of way too raw to insanely polished that goes from 2003 to 2019. 2011-14 was pretty much the perfect center of that spectrum.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2020 18:43:49 GMT
The problem is they just can't be bothered anymore. Well it doesn't need to be up to them when it comes to little things. That's what a good producer is for. I think the guy they've been using is overrated. A lot of the 'big' producers are. Over glorified people that got lucky. There are many other better producers. I don't know why they are sticking with that Fidelman guy. |
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Post by ModerusPrime on Sept 11, 2020 23:26:17 GMT
Definite auto-tune. 100%
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Post by tribeleader on Sept 12, 2020 0:13:19 GMT
The problem is they just can't be bothered anymore. Well it doesn't need to be up to them when it comes to little things. That's what a good producer is for. I think the guy they've been using is overrated. A lot of the 'big' producers are. Over glorified people that got lucky. There are many other better producers. I don't know why they are sticking with that Fidelman guy. He did great job in Through The Never but I can't really say that for the studio records and absolutely not for LiveMetallica mixes (although it's 10 times better than the old ones). Worst thing is sampled snare. I mean really? |
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Post by ford71V8 on Sept 12, 2020 1:12:06 GMT
The problem is they just can't be bothered anymore. Well it doesn't need to be up to them when it comes to little things. That's what a good producer is for. I think the guy they've been using is overrated. A lot of the 'big' producers are. Over glorified people that got lucky. There are many other better producers. I don't know why they are sticking with that Fidelman guy. Would love to see Steven Wilson get involved with a Metallica project |
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Post by jayc on Sept 12, 2020 7:52:16 GMT
Ya know, I’m just gonna be the fanboi that I am and say that old Bobby Rock needs to come back. The albums they did with him were on the peak of their sonics, Garage Inc particularly.
And yes, St Anger sounds great from a sonic perspective. The instrumentation and songs are another topic.
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