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Post by ModerusPrime on Oct 9, 2018 18:15:43 GMT
Why are people hyping up the drums? Lars was missing hits all over the place, and didn't get one single fill right. He didn't even play the main verse bass drum pattern correctly and that's dead simple. Sure, the sound was good and I guess he got a pretty consistent volume out of the bass drums (imagine that...) but that was pretty poor effort overall. He was much better on it in 2000. Because, compared to now, they're a lot better. |
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Post by Ruflux on Oct 9, 2018 19:25:59 GMT
Honestly? The hits in that are more consistent, but that's about it. Lars does a better job with fills on Blackened today, even if he's missing the bursts of double bass in the chorus. Not a great job, because his fills are pretty bad but it's better than whatever that attempt was.
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Post by Jayzon on Oct 9, 2018 21:50:37 GMT
I don't know what you're smoking. That clip showed Lars playing far more precisely and faster than he could do nowadays. I thought the fills were fine - yeah, maybe not as great as on, say, Live Shit - but as Moderus said, compared to his playing these days, that was faaaar far better.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2018 22:12:42 GMT
99 was Lars’ best year imo.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 0:46:33 GMT
99 was Lars’ best year imo. His last good year was 82  |
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Oct 10, 2018 2:44:48 GMT
Why are people hyping up the drums? Lars was missing hits all over the place, and didn't get one single fill right. He didn't even play the main verse bass drum pattern correctly and that's dead simple. Sure, the sound was good and I guess he got a pretty consistent volume out of the bass drums (imagine that...) but that was pretty poor effort overall. He was much better on it in 2000. Last time I checked, you don't have to play 100% on the dot, like on the records in a live setting. I never got this criticism when musicians steer off the course a bit in their live playing. They're playing live, it's organic. The important thing is that he was on time and had the tempo right and in that video, he did. The only drummer I expect to play the song 100% like on the record is Neil Peart. Some of Lars' fills on that album are crazy fills to begin with. I don't blame him not playing any of those songs on that record properly because the fills in almost all of those songs are so sporadic and crazy, I'm surprised he remembers even a fraction of them.
Also, I find it funny you think he plays it better now considering the fact that the bass drums sound better and the hits are clearer in this 1999 video opposed to a 2018 video now where you can tell he just buries that beater so it's just a muddy thud when he tried to hit those notes. That's also with better drum mics, soundboard, etc. He really just needs to use some triggers like that more up-front drum kit he used for those US shows last year because that made a world of difference. Just make his bass drums electronic. His foot is all the way towards the footboard of that bass drum doesn't help whatsoever.
I know I'm ranting but this is exactly why you hear muddled shit notes half the time (@6:24) and why it sounded like he was skipping drum beats in most soundboards in 2004:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2018 4:38:34 GMT
Why are people hyping up the drums? Lars was missing hits all over the place, and didn't get one single fill right. He didn't even play the main verse bass drum pattern correctly and that's dead simple. Sure, the sound was good and I guess he got a pretty consistent volume out of the bass drums (imagine that...) but that was pretty poor effort overall. He was much better on it in 2000. Last time I checked, you don't have to play 100% on the dot, like on the records in a live setting. I never got this criticism when musicians steer off the course a bit in their live playing. They're playing live, it's organic. The important thing is that he was on time and had the tempo right and in that video, he did. The only drummer I expect to play the song 100% like on the record is Neil Peart.
Well you should expect it from a shit ton more drummers, because a shit ton more drummers play the drums 100% like they do on the record, unless they want to add something else in, while adding it in, in time. Guys, we love Metallica, we love Lars, but Lars is, or at least has become, a sub par drummer. He has his moments, and a lot of the time he is playing fine enough. But a lot of the time, not so much. His timing these days, and it started to happen at the turn of the century, is just bad. I feel sorry for the other guys having to basically get used to that and learn to kind of understand Lars' bad timing, and to stay ahead of it so that they somewhat stay in time with it as much as possible. Lars is always jumping on the next bar before about a half beat before it begins. Dude needs to be a professional and practice to a metronome. He won't. He's rich as shit. I would be fine if Met started playing to a click, live, like some bands do, and therefore get a nice programmed light show to go along with that. Would really help them. |
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Post by ModerusPrime on Oct 10, 2018 17:33:54 GMT
Most drummers most certainly do not play 100% like they do on the record. Bands like Rush and to a lesser extent, Tool, yes. Most other bands, not so much.
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Post by SicJes on Oct 15, 2018 15:02:33 GMT
BOOM!
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Post by BMus1 on Oct 15, 2018 23:16:12 GMT
Proof that Metallica seemed to suck a lot worse because of the absolutely abysmal mixing LiveMet (sort of, Lars' hit timing in that is god awful, but they are more together than a lot of LiveMet recordings lead on).
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Post by SicJes on Oct 16, 2018 16:44:45 GMT
Besides James's crooning, it was alright. Kirk's solo was actually pretty good besides a few little bits. Damn I wish we would have had this on Seattle 89.
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Oct 17, 2018 3:12:45 GMT
Besides James's crooning, it was alright. Kirk's solo was actually pretty good besides a few little bits. Damn I wish we would have had this on Seattle 89.Lars would overdose. |
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Post by SicJes on Oct 17, 2018 13:35:04 GMT
Wait for it... Lol.
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Oct 17, 2018 16:57:28 GMT
Ha, he started it when the crowd started singing the next verse. 
Also, I think that was their only Delaware show.
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Post by killemallforone on Oct 18, 2018 5:56:09 GMT
99 was Lars’ best year imo. Fucking love his playing at Woodstock in 99, specifically One. When he reduced the kit he was so chilled out and tasteful....fuck knows what happened in 04 and beyond but he went completely the other way |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 8:22:09 GMT
LOL, Lars' best year was somewhere in the 80s. 99? LOL
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Post by Ruflux on Oct 18, 2018 13:54:14 GMT
LOL, Lars' best year was somewhere in the 80s. 99? LOL He was constantly fucking up and playing at incredibly inconsistent tempos all throughout the 80s. He'd speed up every song beyond the point of sanity, then hit a mildly intensive double bass section and slow down until the song was back to the original tempo. Sure, outside of the tempo issues and occasional fuck ups he was at his technical peak and songs like Seek and Destroy in '88 and '89 actually benefited from his fill crazy approach, but his playing was much more consistent, better paced and tasteful in the late 90s. Cunning Stunts is a great example - his playing is practically flawless on that whole DVD.
That's not to say I necessarily agree with the statement of '99 being his best year, but I can totally see the argument for it. Even if I have some problems with his overly simplified approach to songs like Blackened during that time period.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 2:48:19 GMT
LOL, Lars' best year was somewhere in the 80s. 99? LOL He was constantly fucking up and playing at incredibly inconsistent tempos all throughout the 80s. He'd speed up every song beyond the point of sanity, then hit a mildly intensive double bass section and slow down until the song was back to the original tempo. Sure, outside of the tempo issues and occasional fuck ups he was at his technical peak and songs like Seek and Destroy in '88 and '89 actually benefited from his fill crazy approach, but his playing was much more consistent, better paced and tasteful in the late 90s. Cunning Stunts is a great example - his playing is practically flawless on that whole DVD.
That's not to say I necessarily agree with the statement of '99 being his best year, but I can totally see the argument for it. Even if I have some problems with his overly simplified approach to songs like Blackened during that time period.
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Oct 22, 2018 17:33:31 GMT
Pro-shot
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Post by SicJes on Oct 22, 2018 18:29:30 GMT
I bet James really really really wanted to hurt Kirk after he butchered his solo so bad.
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Post by lightning master on Oct 22, 2018 19:37:23 GMT
I bet James really really really wanted to hurt Kirk after he butchered his solo so bad. ...And Justice for Ja...mes! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 21:24:14 GMT
I don't think he butchered it. But, Kirk's improv is pretty much never better than the original. Wish James would play more of his own solos.
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Post by Kimbo on Oct 23, 2018 11:57:02 GMT
I bet James really really really wanted to hurt Kirk after he butchered his solo so bad. Well he should have played it himself then :P |
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Post by SicJes on Oct 23, 2018 14:08:13 GMT
Its one of those things like the intro to NEM. Why did Kirk have to learn it? Why doesn't James play it?
I can see Kirk struggling to learn the clean picked part for TLITD, and James being all "Fine, just play the solo, you are the solo guy" and then Kirk learning the first couple of notes, assumes that's good enough and he'll wing it. Seems about right.
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Post by BMus1 on Oct 23, 2018 15:12:00 GMT
I don't think he butchered it. But, Kirk's improv is pretty much never better than the original. Wish James would play more of his own solos. Agreed, but James actually said shortly after the anni shows that between lyrics and riffs, he couldn’t find the time to sit down and relearn the solos to Carpe and TLITD, so I imagine he thought it’d be better Kirk improv them than himself. Even though I would bet James improvs a hell of a lot better than Kirk’s. |
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Oct 29, 2018 15:14:26 GMT
I like how they have pro-shots of all the MetOnTour videos they released already.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 16:50:13 GMT
^ That was cool, love the AJFA album
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2018 17:06:35 GMT
Recognise
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Post by Ruflux on Oct 29, 2018 17:54:29 GMT
I like how they have pro-shots of all the MetOnTour videos they released already. Couple of things: the new mix completely changes this performance, and holy hell I forgot they were actually in pretty good shape even in 2014. Like, Lars is Lars but he's pretty solid here (sloppy footwork aside, and the usual skipping of various fills) and Kirk doesn't really mangle the solo half as much as I remembered. Also I don't think James could deliver on the vocals half as well today, unfortunately. Regular touring has definitely taken its toll on his voice. |
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Post by Kimbo on Oct 31, 2018 9:21:34 GMT
I thought it was a very decent performance, much better than I remembered
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