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Post by warhorsewarhead on Mar 30, 2018 22:18:06 GMT
Did Metallica credit Dave Mustaine on that handful of songs from the 1st 2 albums because of a sense of fair dues and honour, or because if they had not done so, Dave Mustaine would have had the evidence, like a cassette tape, to prove that his material had been used and was due compensation?
And Mustaine once made a comment about him wondering what Metallica would do when they ran out of his riffs, and there seemed to be an implication in there that Metallica were using a lot more than he was getting credits for. And supposing that is true, it makes it even more interesting as to where the line seems to be drawn between credited and un-credited.
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Post by LeeClaire on Mar 31, 2018 2:51:27 GMT
Goddammit, Dave. It's been 35 years.
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Post by General Smithers on Mar 31, 2018 2:57:31 GMT
Dave invented all of music, including the SPIDER CHORD, ok? So all artists should be crediting Dave for every song they have ever made.
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Post by ford71V8 on Mar 31, 2018 7:20:17 GMT
.......makes it even more interesting as to where the line seems to be drawn between credited and un-credited. The undefined grey area I've read books about bands that never expected to sell records like they eventually did and made some very casual but expensive decisions about writing credits. Some hold grudges, others take it on the chin with the choice that was made. McCartney and Lennon made the best pact |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 7:40:09 GMT
Changing a riff slightly makes it yours. It's possible they used other Mustaine leftovers that have been altered. It's also possible Mustaine's a jackass.
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Post by warhorsewarhead on Mar 31, 2018 10:19:32 GMT
Goddammit, Dave. It's been 35 years. I realise posts about Mustaine are pretty trite at this stage, but they're usually about things like Mustaine vs. Kirk, or what if Mustaine had stayed in the band somehow. However, the question I posed was more about a technicality just happening to concern Mustaine. If any other early members had credits, or possible credits, owed to them, I'd certainly have included their names as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2018 6:39:33 GMT
I'm with Dave on this one, i've got a feeling Lars did the dirty on him.
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Post by SicJes on Apr 1, 2018 15:13:16 GMT
Meh, Metallica have a history of ripping off people. I'm sure their lawyers have been pretty busy over the years dealing out the hush money.
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Post by BigBunny on Apr 1, 2018 15:46:47 GMT
Meh, Metallica have a history of ripping off people. I'm sure their lawyers have been pretty busy over the years dealing out the hush money. Bowie didn't mind. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Apr 2, 2018 1:10:10 GMT
Meh, Metallica have a history of ripping off people. I'm sure their lawyers have been pretty busy over the years dealing out the hush money. Bowie didn't mind. Can you imagine Bowie listening to this new album by some thrash dudes in 1986 and getting to the Andy Warhol part? -  "well that was unexpected..... works well but" |
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Post by lightning master on Apr 2, 2018 1:38:21 GMT
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Post by SicJes on Apr 2, 2018 2:10:39 GMT
That was a really fun read, thanks.
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Post by Jayzon on Apr 2, 2018 7:28:03 GMT
Wait. What is this with Bowie and Metallica????
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Post by BigBunny on Apr 2, 2018 7:53:26 GMT
Can you imagine Bowie listening to this new album by some thrash dudes in 1986 and getting to the Andy Warhol part? - "well that was unexpected..... works well but" Bowie was so cool, he was an artist. I don't know if MetallicA had heard that riff from 'Andy Warhol'... but it's used differently. can I hear the similarities? heck yes... that riif is in MOP. but it's not the main identity of the song. in the song 'Ziggy Stardust' the lyric " like a leper messiah" ended up being the title of a MetallicA song. plus the riff from 'Andy Warhol' being used in MOP. Wait. What is this with Bowie and Metallica???? ^ read what I posted above  so cool that David stopped his bus for Rob & Kirk. |
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Post by lightning master on Apr 2, 2018 10:40:02 GMT
in the song 'Ziggy Stardust' the lyric " like a leper messiah" ended up being the title of a MetallicA song. plus the riff from 'Andy Warhol' being used in MOP. I know. : ) |
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Post by ford71V8 on Apr 2, 2018 10:55:56 GMT
Cheers man will have a read of that bit later |
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Post by ford71V8 on Apr 2, 2018 10:58:34 GMT
Wait. What is this with Bowie and Metallica???? ="16.800000000000068" height="2.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 16.8px; height: 2.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 0px; top: 0px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_30025420" scrolling="no"></iframe><iframe width="16.800000000000068" height="2.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 16.8px; height: 2.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 783px; top: -104px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_47259437" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.800000000000068" height="2.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 16.8px; height: 2.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 10px; top: -13px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_59258561" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="16.800000000000068" height="2.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 16.8px; height: 2.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 783px; top: -13px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_31696724" scrolling="no"></iframe> Andy Warhol is a good song man, have a listen, enjoy the little Puppets riff |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 13:25:13 GMT
Never knew about that riff in MOP being similar to Andy Warhol, i can hear it now. Not a Bowie fan though.
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Post by SicJes on Apr 2, 2018 20:57:59 GMT
Can't forget about this one.
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Post by ModerusPrime on Apr 2, 2018 21:17:20 GMT
I think Mustaine is credited where it's due, and everything else he's stated after the fact is just bitterness. If he had a leg to stand on he'd have gone after them and sued, seeing as there'd be a lot of money in it for him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 23:17:33 GMT
James mentioned in the early 90s that he took the Welcome Home riff from somewhere, didn't say where though.
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Post by lightning master on Apr 2, 2018 23:37:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2018 23:40:50 GMT
Yeah, that post is the reason I made my post. I get the confusion though, i could have quoted it
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Post by ford71V8 on Apr 3, 2018 1:26:23 GMT
Cheers man will have a read of that bit later Very cool article. Well written too. Kirk's fondness of Bowie's work is pretty clear when reading that. By coincidence I recorded The Hunger off the TV a while back, maybe as far back as when Bowie passed on. Have never sat and watched it but I reckon I'll find some time to have a look now. |
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Post by BigBunny on Apr 3, 2018 3:39:23 GMT
Very cool article. Well written too. Kirk's fondness of Bowie's work is pretty clear when reading that. By coincidence I recorded The Hunger off the TV a while back, maybe as far back as when Bowie passed on. Have never sat and watched it but I reckon I'll find some time to have a look now. I read the article when Kirk wrote it. I had no idea he was a Bowie fan. I just love it when David stops his bus for Rob & Kirk  when I found out David had died, I just bawled my eyes out  his music had been a part of my life since late 1998 when I started listening to his stuff. I saw him live twice on the Reality tour in 2004, just an amazing live artist. you should watch the movie 'Basquiat', he plays Andy Warhol. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Apr 3, 2018 4:27:58 GMT
Very cool article. Well written too. Kirk's fondness of Bowie's work is pretty clear when reading that. By coincidence I recorded The Hunger off the TV a while back, maybe as far back as when Bowie passed on. Have never sat and watched it but I reckon I'll find some time to have a look now. I read the article when Kirk wrote it. I had no idea he was a Bowie fan. I just love it when David stops his bus for Rob & Kirk   when I found out David had died, I just bawled my eyes out  his music had been a part of my life since late 1998 when I started listening to his stuff. I saw him live twice on the Reality tour in 2004, just an amazing live artist. you should watch the movie 'Basquiat', he plays Andy Warhol. Another movie I read about and thought I should take a look at me. But never did. I'm shocking when it comes to making any time for movies. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2018 11:38:30 GMT
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Post by ModerusPrime on Apr 4, 2018 9:05:53 GMT
Too many of those are stupid so I stopped watching.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 6:27:05 GMT
He's fkn loaded
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"well that was unexpected..... works well but"
so cool that David stopped his bus for Rob & Kirk.
his music had been a part of my life since late 1998 when I started listening to his stuff.
his music had been a part of my life since late 1998 when I started listening to his stuff.