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Post by DaJester on Feb 6, 2016 22:25:18 GMT
As some of you if not many / all might have noticed, black album brought much more vocal melodies into Metallica's music. Something I'm not happy about...
Before the black album, James' vocals were more shouting and barking in style, which I think is much better.
What do you think...
When it comes to singing, I don't like it in general... it makes no sense to me, people don't communicate in that way, they talk, more like what James did in the 80s, shouting, not "singing". Other example could be Anselmo, he doesn't sing much, just shouts on Pantera's later albums.
Does any of this make sense to you?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 22:47:19 GMT
" As some of you if not many / all might have noticed, black album brought much more vocal melodies into Metallica's music. Something I'm not happy about... "
Slayer are also available.
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Post by DaJester on Feb 6, 2016 23:16:50 GMT
" As some of you if not many / all might have noticed, black album brought much more vocal melodies into Metallica's music. Something I'm not happy about... " Slayer are also available. Yes, however the music under the vocals must be to one's liking.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:32:14 GMT
Does any of this make sense to you? No.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:35:52 GMT
Does any of this make sense to you? No. Singing > grunting into the mic.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 23:51:56 GMT
Also, people don't communicate in that way, they talk, more like what James did in the 80s, shouting, not "singing". I do hope that we never have a face to face conversation then, as I tend not to shout at people when talking to them.
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Post by DaJester on Feb 7, 2016 0:43:36 GMT
Also, people don't communicate in that way, they talk, more like what James did in the 80s, shouting, not "singing". I do hope that we never have a face to face conversation then, as I tend not to shout at people when talking to them. I'm saying that it's much closer to a human way of communication than singing "Like a Virgin" or something like that.
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Post by Kimbo on Feb 7, 2016 7:37:15 GMT
Singing > grunting into the mic. This
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Post by SicJes on Feb 7, 2016 15:20:15 GMT
Last nights show. Grunting/Growling > Singing/cringy howling
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2016 17:58:17 GMT
Straw man argument.
You're saying grunting into a mic is better than out of tune singing. Well duh.
James is great in the studio. But live he *should* save his voice.
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Post by majako73 on Feb 7, 2016 18:34:49 GMT
Two different types of records with two different approaches to vocals. One of the things that separate Metallica from everybody else is their use of melody, even in the straight-up thrash stuff. James was quoted as saying that in the albums prior to tba that he was basically shouting in key. Not something he could get away with so much in shorter, more stripped back songs post AJFA.
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Post by DaJester on Feb 7, 2016 21:55:18 GMT
James was quoted as saying that in the albums prior to tba that he was basically shouting in key. Good boy James. I guess you guess that I would've preferred if he had chosen to continue that style on later albums too.
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Post by MugCostanza on Feb 8, 2016 1:50:42 GMT
I would say The Black Album had what was left of James from the 80's. ... And Justice for All was a very monotone record for James. It still had melody; but compared to Master of Puppets, his vocal lines were pretty monotone. His voice, from what I can hear, was also the darkest in timbre than previous albums. The Black Album showcased a more brighter voice and welcomed more melody.
The REAL change happened with Load though. EVERYTHING changed. Their sound became much more round than before. Loose vibes.
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Post by soulcrusher on Feb 8, 2016 2:22:10 GMT
Singing > grunting into the mic. No.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 2:39:49 GMT
In some cases, I agree with you. Like I prefer his vocals on Master of Puppets to his Load vocals, but I prefer his Load vocals to his AJFA vocals. I generally prefer his older vocals too, except AJFA and some of Kill Em' All (certain songs fare well better than others).
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 11:46:54 GMT
Oh silly me. We're all *methul* fanzzzzz. Anything melodic is TEH GAI
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Post by Kimbo on Feb 8, 2016 11:53:26 GMT
Correctemondo
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Post by majako73 on Feb 8, 2016 17:40:28 GMT
James was quoted as saying that in the albums prior to tba that he was basically shouting in key. Good boy James. I guess you guess that I would've preferred if he had chosen to continue that style on later albums too. Now I'm confused.
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Post by DaJester on Feb 8, 2016 18:13:35 GMT
Good boy James. I guess you guess that I would've preferred if he had chosen to continue that style on later albums too. Now I'm confused. My view is that James' "shouting and yelling" vocals are better than something with "beautiful" melodies.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 18:28:18 GMT
Slayer forum is that way
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Post by DaJester on Feb 8, 2016 19:27:29 GMT
Slayer forum is that way < - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - You keep pointing me the other way, do you want to get rid of me? Like I said before, the music behind the vocals must be enjoyable too, just shouting won't make it my thing.
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Post by yepsure on Feb 8, 2016 21:26:24 GMT
I want to shout at this thread.
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Post by owlyross on Feb 8, 2016 22:49:52 GMT
James had nodules on his vocal cords. Seriously so, through years of untrained 'barking' into the mic. The sort of damage he did builds up over years, and you can be fine, until one thing becomes the straw that broke the camel's back. In this case it was recording a cover of So What. After this he was unable to bark in the way he used to without doing irreperable damage to his voice. There would be no more James singing, barking, whatever.
So he completely retrained his voice. Worked with a vocal coach to sing in a different way, to get the semblance of the voice he once had. My point? He will never ever have a voice like he did in the 80s. He sings in a completely different way, from technique through to delivery. I personally think that over the past few years his voice has been as good as it has ever been. He has his off moments, but I'm thankful that he's still out there, killing it. He has one of the most distinctive voices in metal, and he's done it twice from scratch. Once with his untrained screaming, and once again with a completely different approach.
I like the anger and aggression in the 80s stuff, but I also love that he learnt to sing and harmonise, and couldn't do without his work on the Loads which was soulful, heartfelt and awesome. And if you want modern aggression from him? Well, listen to My World. That's aggressive as anything he did in the 80s, but with real emotion behind it.
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Post by waunakonor on Feb 9, 2016 5:40:34 GMT
Oh silly me. We're all *methul* fanzzzzz. Anything melodic is TEH GAI I think this might be what yep-sure was talking about with you being a total douche to people. There's nothing wrong with liking harsh vocals. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that everyone who does like them is a terrible person. That said, I can't get behind what Da Jester is saying at all either. Like, seriously, what the hell are you even talking about? It's music, not a conversation. They're fucking different things.
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Post by Kimbo on Feb 9, 2016 7:48:46 GMT
I want to shout at this thread. Do it!!!
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Post by DaJester on Feb 9, 2016 12:51:29 GMT
Like, seriously, what the hell are you even talking about? It's music, not a conversation. They're fucking different things. Looking back at what I said, it doesn't make much sense... just forget it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2016 13:00:41 GMT
Looking back at what I said, it doesn't make much sense... just forget it. I'm in love with you
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Post by DaJester on Feb 9, 2016 13:06:54 GMT
Looking back at what I said, it doesn't make much sense... just forget it. I'm in love with this post May I ask why? Also... are we in a relationship now?
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Post by Kimbo on Feb 9, 2016 13:08:38 GMT
I'm in love with this post May I ask why? Also... are we in a relationship now? Yes you are
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Post by DaJester on Feb 9, 2016 13:12:34 GMT
May I ask why? Also... are we in a relationship now? Yes you are Nothing like the wedding night lube!
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