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Post by Bartman on Apr 18, 2020 12:00:35 GMT
the indycar racing boys, generally, don't appear rate iracing much at all. most of them were playing it before the e-series but outwith a few (will power and simon pagenaud most notably) it was seen more as a game and to do track analysis than a place to test skills and perform serious set up analysis.
it's widely known on indycar twitter that iracing were very upset with comments scott dixon and alexander rossi: essentially a diplomatic way of saying "it's slightly more real than those codies indy racing league games for the ps2". iracing approached indycar and roger penske about policing the drivers and their comments (to which penske told them to back off). watching some of their streams, the vibe is absolutely more that they are having fun with their pals than training for or participating in a professional series. can i believe that the sim racers would throw a fit when the real drivers comment on the realise of their game? of course i can, they're gamers! :p an iracing indycar is an iracing indycar and the dallara indycar that scott dixon drives is a dallara indycar, i cannot understand why these sim racers would be genuinely upset by that being pointed out. the skill it takes to master sim racing is obviously very impressive and takes a lot of time and talent but it takes a lot of different skills to doing at 230mph while sat in the vehicle.
i can appreciate being furstrated at all of these n00bs coming in and not taking it seriously - headlines like this don't help - but so long as sim racing is intricately linked wih real life high level motorsport, the opinions of those who are formula one, indycar, supercars etc drivers are going to be giving more time.
Because he raced with a controller? yes, sir.
in seriousness, while i never rated him as a super top tier driver (outwith his mega CART season) i do appreciate how he does not care what anybody else thinks, released a mediocre album, threw out random opinions in the montreal gazette and decided to race in euro nascar. i like that. man also representing us controller boys at this time is just another part of his mad lad antics i enjoy.
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Post by forgotten in space on Apr 18, 2020 15:21:14 GMT
speaking of games, seems F1 2020, aside from Hanoi and Zandvoort, will have a manager/build-your-own-team mode alongside the existing career mode, and will let us choose a 10 or 16 race-long season.
If we can choose the races to be left out, I can't wait to kick the fuck out of Monaco and Singaling out of the game.
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Post by Bartman on Apr 18, 2020 16:47:05 GMT
aw man, being able to have a custom schedule on top of all that would be so good. the news about having a build-a-team mode is exciting!
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Post by Bartman on Apr 18, 2020 22:25:47 GMT
i watched tonight's indycar iracing race from motegi (oval) and a few thoughts: - motegi was awesome and it's sad that after the 2011 earthquake, honda didn't want to fix the damage to the oval because it was a cracking track - drivers seemed to be taking it a lot more seriously today while staying sceptical of iracing as a product - penske are trialing out spotter and engineering combinations for when the irl season starts which is interesting - simon pagenaud also wears his race suit to play - without spoiling the result, it's incredible how quick a learner scott dixon is. he's only just started with iracing and he's easily one of the fastest people already, well ahead of more experienced players - conor daly shared a tweet (see spoiler) that tracked his heartbeat and calorie use throughout the race - it's certainly a workout! but i think as much of that comes down to the quality/"realism" of the equipment being used, plus being on an oval with 30-odd other cars it'd be quite stressful i would imagine also, regarding drivers pointing out differences between iracing and the real deal, here's josef newgarden explaining a couple of things regarding tyre physics and handling: (there's some arguing in the comments but it doesn't seem as extreme as in some spots online) |
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Post by Bartman on Apr 21, 2020 10:24:09 GMT
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Post by Bartman on Apr 22, 2020 17:41:04 GMT
look it's not ideal but if a pandemic is what it takes to get imola back then i'll just have to accept it
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Post by Bartman on Apr 23, 2020 8:18:55 GMT
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Post by forgotten in space on Apr 23, 2020 17:04:06 GMT
I really don't think Liberty are strong-willed enough to get rid of Ferrari's bonuses, so they basically would have their budget sorted out automatically. What is there to complain? And the other I'm not getting, is the demands for a two-tier budget cap. I mean, customer teams pay for the fucking parts, don't they? What is this nonsense about extra development costs? |
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Post by forgotten in space on Apr 23, 2020 17:05:02 GMT
look it's not ideal but if a pandemic is what it takes to get imola back then i'll just have to accept it
Imola is a great track, but it was already processional with the 2005 cars, imagine now... |
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Post by Bartman on Apr 24, 2020 10:20:26 GMT
I really don't think Liberty are strong-willed enough to get rid of Ferrari's bonuses, so they basically would have their budget sorted out automatically. What is there to complain? And the other I'm not getting, is the demands for a two-tier budget cap. I mean, customer teams pay for the fucking parts, don't they? What is this nonsense about extra development costs? i think it's just ferrari being ferrari and doing their tried and tested gimmick when they don't get everything they want/there is a chance they may even slightly lose their privileged position :p
i think i can see the rationale for a two-tier budget cap if they bring in the moto gp satellite team idea. if ferrari are preparing cars for them, sauber and haas, it would see fair for them to have a higher cap than, say, mclaren doing it on their own. hypothetically.
the point about extra development costs though is daft - like you say haas and sauber are paying for parts, red bull presumably pay themselves for any parts they develop for alphatauri etc. this is especially true if they're the same parts they use on their cars! i'm not sure i understand that as anything other than "let us keep spending as we like".
Imola is a great track, but it was already processional with the 2005 cars, imagine now... they've changed the front straight so that there's an overtaking area into the chicane now! the races weren't the greatest but it was always satisfying to see a pass (you know work had gone into it) and it's a proper old school track without acres of car park as run off. it's a nice setting too! |
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Post by Bartman on Apr 25, 2020 11:15:05 GMT
f1's youtube race today is the 2012 brazilian grand prix. even out of context - as a race itself - i think it is fantastic and one of the best of the decade but with the context of vettel vs alonso (& webber...), hamilton's last mclaren race, several drivers racing for their careers, final schumacher race etc it's easily one of the best of all time ever ever.
also the last stand of kamui kobayashi in a good formula one car and what a day out he had that day and i'm still not sure what kovalainen was trying to do when he encouraged hamilton and hulkenberg to crash.
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Post by forgotten in space on Apr 28, 2020 12:33:04 GMT
I watched the Barcelona '96 one yesterday. Apart from the cars going off, Damon's mistakes and Verstappen odd spin (he was going so well), and Schumacher being in a class of his own, it wasn't exactly a great race. His two passes were sound driving (same corner), but then there wasn't exactly anything more, since Alesi overtook JV on the pits.
People better start voting for good races and less for other reasons :mad: one thing is to acknowledge good driving, other is actually picking something you know from the outset is entertaining.
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Post by Bartman on Apr 28, 2020 13:03:23 GMT
I watched the Barcelona '96 one yesterday. Apart from the cars going off, Damon's mistakes and Verstappen odd spin (he was going so well), and Schumacher being in a class of his own, it wasn't exactly a great race. His two passes were sound driving (same corner), but then there wasn't exactly anything more, since Alesi overtook JV on the pits. People better start voting for good races and less for other reasons :mad: one thing is to acknowledge good driving, other is actually picking something you know from the outset is entertaining. verstappen was going ace!
aye, i totally agree with you. same with donnington '93. like ayrton senna's first lap was great, god-tier, but i can't remember anything else about it. i'd rather see something entertaining but historically irrelevant (nurburgring '11, hockenhaim '97, interlagos last year etc) than one of these BEST RACE EVER!!!1!11! (because schumacher, senna were good in the rain).
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Post by Bartman on Apr 29, 2020 11:25:22 GMT
this is somewhat of an improvement i think
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Post by Bartman on Apr 29, 2020 23:28:27 GMT
mental, in hindsight, that frentzen looked like a complete nerd at williams but almost won the world championship in a jordan, effectively a one car team. as he was leading a race which, had results otherwise ended as they did, would've seen him equal on points with irvine and one point off hakkinen with two races left to go...he (and sam michaels) forgot to sort the anti-stall system after his pit stop and promptly retired a healthy car. unbelievable. www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.uncovered-the-real-reason-frentzen-retired-from-the-lead-of-the-99-european.2WiVYGxwB3tuas8yQHSoQy.htmltruthfully what i want to know is why the hell was he fired on the weekend of the german grand prix in 2001. |
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Post by forgotten in space on Apr 30, 2020 12:52:36 GMT
The Sam Michael who was reportedly out of his depth at Williams and Mclaren? :P
Brilliant engineer I bet, like all of them, but perhaps promoted beyond his abilities?
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Post by Bartman on May 1, 2020 9:51:03 GMT
The Sam Michael who was reportedly out of his depth at Williams and Mclaren? :P Brilliant engineer I bet, like all of them, but perhaps promoted beyond his abilities? i'd be polite and instead say promoted to roles he wasn't necessarily suited to  i always got the impression he'd rather be designing parts and working on minute details than organising pit-lane procedures or, like, being technical director! i think the timing of his hirings at both williams and mclaren were unfortunate and not at all enviable. i think the british state itself, these two renowned institutions of british engineering were not structured or organised particularly great (look at the history of both teams from ~2005, plus the mess of the BMW/williams relationship and p much everything post-93 with that team) and putting sam, who by all accounts is a very detail and parts oriented person, in the position of a techincal and sporting director feels like a great waste of his skills.
the botched call at the nurburgring though, how devastating must that have been.
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Post by forgotten in space on May 2, 2020 17:13:57 GMT
f1's youtube race today is the 2012 brazilian grand prix. even out of context - as a race itself - i think it is fantastic and one of the best of the decade but with the context of vettel vs alonso (& webber...), hamilton's last mclaren race, several drivers racing for their careers, final schumacher race etc it's easily one of the best of all time ever ever.
also the last stand of kamui kobayashi in a good formula one car and what a day out he had that day and i'm still not sure what kovalainen was trying to do when he encouraged hamilton and hulkenberg to crash.
I watched it just now, the stewards ruined Hulkenberg's race for slightly losing the rear in a wet track (with Hamilton and backmarkers around it's only a racing incident) but thought little of Kobayashi (I think it was) coming out of nowhere and torpedoing Webber, for instance. David Croft dropped a Leroy Jenkins reference, ffs |
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Post by Bartman on May 2, 2020 23:32:07 GMT
it was the 2008 british grand prix today:
- ferrari really didn't want to win that championship did they? absolutely disasterous strategy for kimi, leaving him out on inters when everyone bar alonso went onto full wets, at a point when he was faster than hamilton. massa was a fucking disaster that day anaw. as much as the engine failures in hungary and australia, the singapore incident and timo glock overestimating his wet driving helped hamilton win the title, the spin in malaysia and this disaster totally lost massa that championship.
- nick heidfeld drove like a god until he wound it in and didn't.
- rubens barrichello drove like a god and even with the refuelling issues, 3rd was a fucking magnificent in that abysmal honda.
- lewis hamilton drove like a god but that's a give.
- this version of silverstone is 100 times better than the new one. i love it.
- this race was heikki kovalainen's career in a nutshell: start on pole, made that amazing move to stay ahead on hamilton and then...faded. he had a brief mid-race resurgence but was ultimately way way off the pace.
- this race was mark webber's pre-2008 career in a nutshell: shocked everybody and started 2nd, kept up with the front and then spun and hung around in 18th for a while. had a very solid if unspectacular race but got ahead of massa so that's something.
- BRING BACK REFUELLING
- kazuki nakajima is really really good at bringing a car home and staying out of trouble, except those two times his toyota imploded while leading at le mans.
- sebastien bourdais' formula 1 career :(
I watched it just now, the stewards ruined Hulkenberg's race for slightly losing the rear in a wet track (with Hamilton and backmarkers around it's only a racing incident) but thought little of Kobayashi (I think it was) coming out of nowhere and torpedoing Webber, for instance. David Croft dropped a Leroy Jenkins reference, ffs i thought it was bullshit at the time and i still do. had kovalainen not been there, hamilton would've been able to move to the right and let hulk have his spin and the race go on. hulk losing the lead i think was surely enough of a punishment tbh. i can't mind who it was that torpedoed webber but that sure sounds like kobayashi-style he had a hell of a day out that day, i can't remember a 5 lap spell in which kobayashi wasn't involved in something spectacular or peculiar what a call by croft
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Post by Bartman on May 3, 2020 11:47:32 GMT
today i found out that lando norris has a lot of fans. like, a lot.
#justice4ericsson
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Post by ford71V8 on May 8, 2020 5:38:43 GMT
today i found out that lando norris has a lot of fans. like, a lot. #justice4ericsson And a fan of our series down here. Lots of extra viewers when he's involved |
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Post by forgotten in space on May 12, 2020 8:15:49 GMT
Daniel to start pronouncing his surname correctly asap.
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Post by Bartman on May 12, 2020 22:13:33 GMT
Daniel to start pronouncing his surname correctly asap. |
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Post by Bartman on May 12, 2020 22:30:58 GMT
who've we got replacing vettel then boys? italian media seem to think sainz is being announced asap. i quite fancied him for being the guy to come in after the next guy but with him already being great and, in 2021, in his 7th season i could see them going in on him. if it isn't sainz, and unless hamilton does something unexpected, it's probably going to be either daniel, perez or hulk innit? of ferrari linked/previously ferrari liked drivers gionvinazzi is good but not ferrari good yet, until stroll improves his qualifying he's too much of an unknown (plus dad owns aston so whatever, he'll be fine) and they'll surely no call kimi back again. i seriously think that hulk would be a good punt - give him two years: if 2013 sauber hulk turns up then happy days, get a few years out of him and he can retire with a podium and maybe a few wins, if not then they've had another two years to see how sainz and gionvinazzi (and mick schumacher) have turned out and we can speculate again then! of course...unless... |
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Post by forgotten in space on May 12, 2020 22:56:12 GMT
Is it really Sainz's 7th season? :|
If Bottas has another meh season and Mercedes decides to bring Russell forward to understudy Lewis in his final years, Ferrari might do worse than him. If they don't mind rocking the boat, Daniel please, though I do like the lad and wouldn't want to see him in the colours of the Sith. But hey, I survived through comrade Kimi's years in red.
Mclaren are going for Mercedes engines again, no? Seidl might go for Seb, German team principal, German engine, German world champion driver...
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Post by forgotten in space on May 12, 2020 22:57:54 GMT
Sick and tired of Alonso. He did say he already knows what he was doing next, not sure he would be privy to Vettel's negotiations.
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Post by Bartman on May 13, 2020 0:01:42 GMT
Is it really Sainz's 7th season? :| If Bottas has another meh season and Mercedes decides to bring Russell forward to understudy Lewis in his final years, Ferrari might do worse than him. If they don't mind rocking the boat, Daniel please, though I do like the lad and wouldn't want to see him in the colours of the Sith. But hey, I survived through comrade Kimi's years in red. Mclaren are going for Mercedes engines again, no? Seidl might go for Seb, German team principal, German engine, German world champion driver... sorry, my phrasing was poor. 2020 is sainz's 6th season, 2021 will be his 7th :p
i thought about bottas and i think he'd be a fine pick too. ricciardo is an exciting prospect too, it'd be interesting to see how he does being the insurgent to a cocky young driver's team this time vs his experience with verstappen at red bull!
growing up a mclaren fan through hakkinen/coulthard/kimi and hating grand enemy schumacher, i became disillusioned when mclaren didn't sign pedro de la rosa for 2007 (what became of that hamilton guy anyway?) and with kimi going to ferrari i thought the time to "like" ferrari was upon me. whomever replaees seb will probably become "my driver" for the next few world championships, unless haas or alfa magically come up with a title challenger
seb to mclaren is something i liked the sound of. i think vettel would fit into the seidl and brown version of mclaren fairly well, much less autocratic than ferrari and the kind of team that'd let seb...be seb. seidl's work at porsche with an array of drivers similar to vettel - lotterer, webber, jani - should attest to that.
Sick and tired of Alonso. He did say he already knows what he was doing next, not sure he would be privy to Vettel's negotiations. alonso says a lot of things :p
i doubt he'd be privy to seb's contract talks, as you say, but it hasn't exactly been a secret that vettel's been unhappy since leclerc turned up - and that the past few months haven't seen many fruitful contract discussions. i wouldn't rule out his team reaching out or ferrari reaching out and having lines of communication but i don't think anything is set. i only mentioned him for the bants/him being the spectre forever haunting formula one.
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Post by Bartman on May 13, 2020 12:22:24 GMT
some folk, italian media once again, saying that ricciardo is closely linked to mclaren. so should sainz sign with ferrari, that's the move to watch.
ricciardo & norris as a team is a move that will go down well on certain parts of the internet and youth demographic! #marketing
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Post by forgotten in space on May 13, 2020 19:24:10 GMT
some folk, italian media once again, saying that ricciardo is closely linked to mclaren. so should sainz sign with ferrari, that's the move to watch.
ricciardo & norris as a team is a move that will go down well on certain parts of the internet and youth demographic! #marketing
There's a question mark over Renault (well, over so many things) I suppose, but he has all the season (if there's one) to watch the progress and decide. The media circus that follows F1 has so many wishful thinking and bias in it, I'm definitely not believing anything. The same eejits will push the Hamilton to Ferrari angle all over too. |
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Post by Bartman on May 14, 2020 11:30:08 GMT
i was going to make a post about how teams don't have to make decisions now, it's a total buyers market and with their being more drivers than spots available you're guaranteed to end up with a great driver out of vettel, sainz, ricciardo, bottas, hamilton, hulkenberg and ((((alonso)))).
but no, ferrari announced sainz and mclaren announced ricciardo for next year! it'll be interesting to see how the rest of the grid works itself out but that'll be for the months to come.
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i always got the impression he'd rather be designing parts and working on minute details than organising pit-lane procedures or, like, being technical director! 
