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Post by Bartman on Dec 5, 2021 14:50:36 GMT
this was my fear. it's a bit more like the marrakesh street circuit than i think i hoped. it might yield good racing, i have been busy all weekend so missed the F2 - was it good? Nope, not at all. Every bit of debris requires a SC, the marshalls are relatively hopeless (normal, I'm not bashing volunteers), Maylander has been driver of the day in both sprints. Apart from two cars running side by side in the banked corner (but in a very safe, unspectacular way) all bits of racing were basically leading car missing T1 or T2, cutting the corner and getting a penalty for gaining an advantage. fuck sake lol the worst of formula e and the worst indycar collide in a sportwashing farce. amazing. wondering if thks F2 race will actually start before the abu dhabi round |
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 5, 2021 16:05:52 GMT
So there you go: procession, incident, procession, incident. No racing.
Well done Tilke you fucking muppet.
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 5, 2021 20:12:59 GMT
A total farce long before all the incidents.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 5, 2021 20:42:18 GMT
A total farce long before all the incidents. it's a fucking joke masi is a clown and liberty do him no favours by broadcasting all of that nonsense lewis politicked his way to max getting a meeting with liuzzi and the others. max 100% was being a clown slowing down how and where he did, lewis didn't have to make contact and lewis certainly didn't need to ground to a near halt and wave after "safely" rear ending him (but max is still more in the wrong i think) max will never grow up sibling as horner and marko let him away with everything the track fucking sucks but anglo-centric here but they do provide world feed service, sky sports coverage fucking sucks - di resta and davidson are the only good parts and hill is only there as a fan. croft has been a clown for years and brundle isn't half the analyst that he used to be ocon might actually be good and last season was a horrendous aberration. this means however that alonso is better than we think and that ricciardo might not be, if we take 2020 as a bad year. love that the top three overtakes for the season are alonso, vettel and kimi. may the 2000s last forever. |
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Post by Bartman on Dec 5, 2021 20:43:01 GMT
points for gio though!!!
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 5, 2021 20:48:08 GMT
Haggling over restarts position, what a clown show. There is literally a 100-page rulebook for this.
Max is a douchebag and always will be, he deserves a penalty for lifting, but eventually he lets Lewis through and still gets the 5 second penalty?!
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Post by Bartman on Dec 5, 2021 23:13:17 GMT
Haggling over restarts position, what a clown show. There is literally a 100-page rulebook for this. Max is a douchebag and always will be, he deserves a penalty for lifting, but eventually he lets Lewis through and still gets the 5 second penalty?! hahahaha yeah i would have thought that being rammed in the rear would've been a fairly just penalty!!
it was a disgrace and it was a total spectacle of controversy. glad to see that the motorsport media is largely condemning what happened - unlike sky sports who were really pushing the excitement/unpredictability/this season is made up of moments storyline (which, again, di resta & davidson were fairly good at pushing against).
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Post by yepsure on Dec 6, 2021 1:29:01 GMT
Only a matter of time before Max's driving causes serious injury or worse to another driver...gets treated like a god by Red Bull, like a cash cow by F1/FIA but acts like a child on and off track.
This race was a complete shit show...let's hope for a clean race to settle the championship. Unlikely to be clean again though if Lewis attempts a pass. Let's hope Max doesn't force a double DNF.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 6, 2021 15:54:29 GMT
Only a matter of time before Max's driving causes serious injury or worse to another driver...gets treated like a god by Red Bull, like a cash cow by F1/FIA but acts like a child on and off track. This race was a complete shit show...let's hope for a clean race to settle the championship. Unlikely to be clean again though if Lewis attempts a pass. Let's hope Max doesn't force a double DNF. we've all been saying for years that max's driving needs a look at and nothing happens. the guy is an incredible racer and could be an all time great but he still races like a go karter. red bull haven't done anything and the FIA have let him off too long. of course, he's only 23/24 (p sure if he wins the title he'll be older than hamilton and alonso on their first?) but he's also got *seven* seasons of experience and he should be much calmer. raikkonen didn't drive like this in 2007, hakkinen didn't in 1998, webber in 2009? he's old enough and should know better - and should know that hamilton will politick everything and knows how the system works inside and out. |
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Post by Bartman on Dec 7, 2021 11:40:40 GMT
game looks magic, track still looks great, love that gran turismo exists as much as it can in the real world while still being a car collection and racing rpg, hate the little tilke-isms/modern circuit designs quirks still
the corner at the end of the long straight at the bottom of the circuit used to be maybe 300m further down and was much more of a "curve". trickier to overtake, required balls or a lot of momentum and a compliant rival. now, like with the chcane at trial mountain, they've added a very modern "overtaking zone" ala turn 11 at CoTA, sector 2 of yas marina, most of sepang etc (ie long straight into a hairpin, into another long straight). impossible to escape!
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 8, 2021 22:14:11 GMT
game looks magic, track still looks great, love that gran turismo exists as much as it can in the real world while still being a car collection and racing rpg, hate the little tilke-isms/modern circuit designs quirks still
the corner at the end of the long straight at the bottom of the circuit used to be maybe 300m further down and was much more of a "curve". trickier to overtake, required balls or a lot of momentum and a compliant rival. now, like with the chcane at trial mountain, they've added a very modern "overtaking zone" ala turn 11 at CoTA, sector 2 of yas marina, most of sepang etc (ie long straight into a hairpin, into another long straight). impossible to escape!
Yeah it was very anticlimactic especially with everyone all bunched up. I won't have a PS5 anytime soon, hopefully I didn't get spoiled by this version's graphics :P |
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 8, 2021 22:22:08 GMT
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Post by Bartman on Dec 12, 2021 14:36:17 GMT
NASCAR is more transparent and honest ffs
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Post by Bartman on Dec 12, 2021 14:36:52 GMT
very very happy for max though but that was a fucking disgrace at the end (and throughout the season, frankly)
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Post by Bartman on Dec 12, 2021 14:51:46 GMT
WOULDN'T HAPPENT UNDER BERNIE
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 12, 2021 19:34:07 GMT
It was the football equivalent of winning with a referee mistake.
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 12, 2021 20:12:27 GMT
Send Masi back to the penal colony. :p
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Post by Bartman on Dec 12, 2021 20:25:59 GMT
this is a motogp thread next year :p
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 12, 2021 20:47:14 GMT
Or NASCAR.
Imaginary candy wrap on corner 3, caution!!12!!!11
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Post by yepsure on Dec 12, 2021 22:30:00 GMT
Worst season ending since Game of Thrones. What a joke, an unacceptable ending to the GP and the season.
As a Mercedes supporter, and as an F1 fan, absolutely gutted it ended like that.
It’s even shitty for Max being handed a championship like that. There will always be an asterisks next to this one, and it will forever be overshadowed by this controversy. Red Bull/Max did nothing wrong, so they should not be stripped of the title…but something needs to happen to acknowledge this colossal failure of officiating in a season full of failures of officiating.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 12, 2021 22:44:01 GMT
It’s even shitty for Max being handed a championship like that. There will always be an asterisks next to this one, and it will forever be overshadowed by this controversy. Red Bull/Max did nothing wrong, so they should not be stripped of the title…but something needs to happen to acknowledge this colossal failure of officiating in a season full of failures of officiating. i've been arguing with folk all day that what they should do is have a 5 lap run off at brands hatch, like back when jim clark won the british touring car championship.
put the lads in the same cars, a neutral manufacturer so an alpine or one of the ferrari powered cars, and have them go at it! i know what these two are like but surely that'd bring some kind of closure.
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Post by yepsure on Dec 12, 2021 22:49:34 GMT
5 laps in Haas vs Haas for the title!
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Post by Bartman on Dec 13, 2021 10:38:52 GMT
5 laps in Haas vs Haas for the title! as if that wouldn't bring in huge tv numbers! |
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Post by yepsure on Dec 13, 2021 12:03:58 GMT
How good was the Perez/Hamilton battle?
Imagine a Verstappen with all his pace but also with Perez’s defensive racecraft and sportsmanship… now that would be a champion tough to beat and universally respected.
Races and championships decided by laps like we saw between Checo and Lewis is what race fans want…not Silverstone, Brazil, Jeddah…and of course what we saw last night as the pinnacle of what no one accept Netflix producers want.
I hope Mercedes give up the appeals and lawyers and just accept that they got completely fucked over. This situation can’t be fixed, it’s done. The only thing worse than winning a championship the way it was won last night would be winning it in a courtroom. Red Bull did nothing wrong in this case and don't deserve to be penalised for it in any way. Mercedes and race fans need to accept it and hope that things change moving forward (they wont).
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Post by Bartman on Dec 13, 2021 18:18:35 GMT
mercedes were 100% wronged - and wrong enough that i could tolerate a race being changed as a result of it tbh. however, in this instance, i don't know what to do. it isn't just changing a race result, it is changing the result of an entire championship and that is a hell of a call to make. especially when, as you pointed out, the party that'd be affected most negatively by it was innocent.
the checo/hamilton battle was incredible and exactly the kind of the thing that championship battles are made of. it's something we didn't even get in 2012, 2008, 2007 and 2003 (my big contenders for Greatest Season Of All Time) and was beautiful to see - the hard but fair racing of perez bring down an 8 second gap to almost nothing over 2 laps. beautiful. i wish that was the legacy of the championship, followed by hamilton's beautiful driving the rest of the day; or the drama of hamilton trying to keep his tyres safe while norris (and possibly others, had the race been run at competitive speed) had a puncture. that wasn't what happened though - for whatever reason - and it's sad. really sad.
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 13, 2021 20:02:17 GMT
Shwartzmann will test both the Haas and the Ferrari. That will be hilarious for him, if he drives the Ferrari first.
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Post by ford71V8 on Dec 15, 2021 23:10:02 GMT
After a few days to digest what went on, I am happy with the result.
It is unfortunate how the last few laps played out, however you need to play to the situation and the umpy's call.
There would have been pressure to not end the race under SC....nobody wants that, especially when its a title decider.
So each team needed to respond accordingly, and thats where RedBull had the advantage. As long as there was a possibility that the race would restart (however short it would be) Merc needed to stay as they did to ensure they kept P1. RedBull maximised the opportunity by prepping their car to be at its best if this was to eventuate. The risk was too much for the leader to do the same.
My opinion is Lap 1 had the more controversial call. Max took that corner after Hamilton opened the door. How Race Control deemed that gap to be consistent with where the 2 were racing before the corner I have no idea. Terrible call and likely due to hesitancy to upset this amazing 2 horse race front row grid start they had been given.
Will be one that everyone remembers!
Lewis held himself well after missing out like that. I'm not a fan but emotions would have been off the scale and he kept it together like a pro should.
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Post by Bartman on Dec 27, 2021 22:07:19 GMT
god i miss these days (obviously very sorry to the family of graham beveridge)
2001 was an amazing season because it was the one that had villeneuve, montoya, irvine, alesi, prost all in the paddock and when alain prost, eddie jordan, big flavio, paul stoddart, tom walkinshaw, craig pollock and pat head/frank williams were all running teams. we'll never see those days again - imagine having a paddock that colourful lol. haas 2017-2020 was the only entertaining thing in the series as far as characters went.
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Post by forgotten in space on Dec 28, 2021 11:29:11 GMT
That was a douchey thing to say from JPM, but South Americans will south americanate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Post by Bartman on Dec 28, 2021 12:46:44 GMT
That was a douchey thing to say from JPM, but South Americans will south americanate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ oh montoya was the prick here, it does feel like villeneuve met his match in him though as for grumpiness and complete disregard for the feelings of others. i think the kids today forget how mega JPM was when he entered F1 and how he had no illusions whatsoever. no fear, no obvious learning curve, he just jumped in from CART, and was broadly very competitive. almost won race #3 until max snr ploughed into him for no reason - and not before pulling off one of the finest overtakes you'll ever see on MSC going into senna s. i wish that we'd seen more of montoya and i wish he had had more than one title contending season. easy with hindsight but had renault taken an interest in 2003 instead of mclaren, 2005 onwards would've been a hoot. his bank balance is probably happy with it but those 8 or 9 seasons in nascar were such a waste of time and talent. closing the door on himself in F1 though and indycar still being split and then rebuilding itself, there wasn't much else for him to do if he wanted a big pay day :p |
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