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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 12, 2020 19:50:11 GMT
They changed only one steward from last week (Emanuelle Pirro in for Liuzzi) and Stroll doesn't get a penalty for overtaking another car off the track.
Pirro seems to be involved in all the dodgy decisions, but I mean, what's even the process here? 4 stewards?? So that there isn't a tiebreaker?
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Post by ford71V8 on Jul 13, 2020 0:49:46 GMT
ford71V8 have you seen this interview that dale earnhardt jr did with paul morris? i can't find the whole interview but this clip is great. earnhardt got drunk on morris's wine and one of morris's associates ended up getting a year in the usa driving late models for jr's team as a result. seemingly there were a number of times also that paul morris was close to driving a busch series car. i know that it's his nickname but paul morris really is such a dude.very cool guy.
I know there is a recent podcast with Dale and Morris. Speedcafe.com keep putting stories up of parts from it recently. I know some of their story and yes, he is a dude alright though a lot of "real" racefans dont like him much. Seems like a laid back guy having a lot of fun to me.
I met him last year, you can always find him in the back pit area of the Stadium Trucks setup. I dont follow or use Twitter / Insta but apparently his is full of good times and his wifes cleavage  Paul and Russell Ingall (05 V8 champ) have their own youtube channel, The Dude and the Enforcer, no-frills motorsport based chat show, self-funded and answers to no-one so can be a fun watch.
That wine that Dale got stuck into would be Sirromet Wines. Sirromet backwards is T E Morris which is his dad.
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 14, 2020 21:06:57 GMT
F1 '20 is go, go, go  Not sure what to call my team in team mode..."a bunch of chancers" just for the lulz of the news headline when hiring a driver, or to resurrect a dead team name. |
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Post by Bartman on Jul 15, 2020 19:59:03 GMT
"EUROBRUN SIGNS MAHAVEER RAGHUNATHAN"
how is the game so far? is zandvoort great to drive and is hanoi really just valencia 2.0?
They changed only one steward from last week (Emanuelle Pirro in for Liuzzi) and Stroll doesn't get a penalty for overtaking another car off the track. Pirro seems to be involved in all the dodgy decisions, but I mean, what's even the process here? 4 stewards?? So that there isn't a tiebreaker?
jolyon palmer agrees with you about the lack of penalty - and did seem to hint at something to do with the stewards also. the more i have thought about it, the more annoyed i have become at the lack of penalty for his overtake. as much as i understand and appreciate a little bit of wiggle room with the rules concerning contact and overtaking, there has to be a limit else there is not point in having the rule. it was extremely blatant, his "overtake" on ricciardo and not making the call is just embarrassing. it doesn't matter how "exciting" and how "viral" the "content" of that last lap was, not enforcing the rules just makes a mockery of the series and FIA.
I know there is a recent podcast with Dale and Morris. Speedcafe.com keep putting stories up of parts from it recently. I know some of their story and yes, he is a dude alright though a lot of "real" racefans dont like him much. Seems like a laid back guy having a lot of fun to me.
I met him last year, you can always find him in the back pit area of the Stadium Trucks setup. I dont follow or use Twitter / Insta but apparently his is full of good times and his wifes cleavage Paul and Russell Ingall (05 V8 champ) have their own youtube channel, The Dude and the Enforcer, no-frills motorsport based chat show, self-funded and answers to no-one so can be a fun watch.
That wine that Dale got stuck into would be Sirromet Wines. Sirromet backwards is T E Morris which is his dad.
i don't understand how people could have a problem with that! he seems like a lovely guy, definitely a solid racer, who is enjoying what he's doing.
i love the stadium trucks, i forget that he races in them fairly regularly! that youtube channel sounds definitely worth a look: i'm guessing that it's primarily australian motorsport focused? sounds fine either way!
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 15, 2020 20:51:22 GMT
I only have driven on time trial a bit, to test all the cars :p
Zandvoort is really, really cool to drive, it has that "edge of the seat" sense of speed only Suzuka and Monaco have in these games because in these generations of cars you can just take it so much of it flat out. (It removes a bit of the challenge but adds to the speed and fun).
This is also why I understand why people lauded Hanoi, there are sections that are really close to walls but are meant to be flat out or almost so that is fun, finding that limit, but I'm not sure it will survive that novelty.
The braking and handling are different (for the better) from '18/'19, so I haven't really done laps really to my liking :p braking especially (even with the ABS aid) requires a bit more skill than just braking late and turning in.
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 15, 2020 20:57:29 GMT
Eurobrun? that sounds like a really bad Eurodance record. They ran Gregor Foitek didn't they, he of hurting Johnny Herbert fame. I was thinking more of Matra, Vanwall, that sort of thing :p Hesketh! :o |
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Post by ford71V8 on Jul 16, 2020 0:48:35 GMT
i don't understand how people could have a problem with that! he seems like a lovely guy, definitely a solid racer, who is enjoying what he's doing.
i love the stadium trucks, i forget that he races in them fairly regularly! that youtube channel sounds definitely worth a look: i'm guessing that it's primarily australian motorsport focused? sounds fine either way!
Yeah Stadium Trucks are entertaining, you need to take them for what they are - FUN!
I've enjoyed their shows, particularly a couple of guest interviews. For sure there is a good chunk of time dissecting the V8s but they were covering all forms of motorsport worldwide. Of course, there's not been a lot of anything to discuss! They also get some cars out on Morris' Norwell training track and have a bit of fun now and then.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 16, 2020 18:57:59 GMT
hahaha i originally put hesketh in my post but changed for the simply more iconic, legendary...eurobrun 
i might revive forti or pacific for my playthrough, as i will probably be that successful  I only have driven on time trial a bit, to test all the cars :p Zandvoort is really, really cool to drive, it has that "edge of the seat" sense of speed only Suzuka and Monaco have in these games because in these generations of cars you can just take it so much of it flat out. (It removes a bit of the challenge but adds to the speed and fun). This is also why I understand why people lauded Hanoi, there are sections that are really close to walls but are meant to be flat out or almost so that is fun, finding that limit, but I'm not sure it will survive that novelty. The braking and handling are different (for the better) from '18/'19, so I haven't really done laps really to my liking :p braking especially (even with the ABS aid) requires a bit more skill than just braking late and turning in. that's fair enough. i've heard some great things from the handling and braking features on the game so it's nice that that seems to be the case. how different do the cars feel to each other? f1 18 was the last game i played and you could definitely feel differences between cars (williams felt more skittish; toro rosso much more draggy; haas was perfectly balanced - almost like a default car etc) but they didn't feel fundamentally different.
i loved zandoovrt on the toca games so it's cool that it's still ultra fast and challenging! the rollercoaster section through the first sector into the second must be wild with the new cars and handling. curious to know what the track is like in the race.
Yeah Stadium Trucks are entertaining, you need to take them for what they are - FUN!
I've enjoyed their shows, particularly a couple of guest interviews. For sure there is a good chunk of time dissecting the V8s but they were covering all forms of motorsport worldwide. Of course, there's not been a lot of anything to discuss! They also get some cars out on Morris' Norwell training track and have a bit of fun now and then.
yes! they were on the support for indycar for a while and it was refreshing seeing them between the seriousness of indycar, world challenge, lights and f2000. robbie gordon is one of those people who, for his talent and vision, i think could do with receiving more respect from the motorosport community - even if he didn't exactly show it during his driving career
i took a look and thanks for mentioning the channel, i like it's vibe. going to give the interview with mick doohan a listen between the f1 practice sessions tomorrow.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 16, 2020 19:00:11 GMT
now i realise i have been pro-lance stroll ever since he showed up in 2017 but if those bastards replace perez with vettel instead of him i'm no going to be happy
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 16, 2020 19:18:21 GMT
now i realise i have been pro-lance stroll ever since he showed up in 2017 but if those bastards replace perez with vettel instead of him i'm no going to be happy Everyone in the press and commentators towing the line "oh Stroll Sr. doesn't enter anything not to be successful, he's legit and super cereal"...well prove it and get the best available drivers. I mean, Lance can't exactly complain, years of having a private testing team, even in F3 he had a custom made team basically. |
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Post by Bartman on Jul 16, 2020 19:53:18 GMT
Everyone in the press and commentators towing the line "oh Stroll Sr. doesn't enter anything not to be successful, he's legit and super cereal"...well prove it and get the best available drivers. I mean, Lance can't exactly complain, years of having a private testing team, even in F3 he had a custom made team basically. aye, exactly. lance stroll is a really good racing car driver; sergio perez has been one of the 5-6 most consistent drivers for a decade now - and he's quicker than stroll by quite a bit. if sebastian vettel becomes available, and one of your drivers is sergio perez, the chances are you are sacking the other guy, because perez is the don of the midfield - and responsible for all bar one of that team's podiums since the jordan years.
lance stroll is class - he has good race craft, he is consistent, honestly one of the best wet weather drivers on the grid* - and he's still in his early 20s so any issues he has, namely qualifying, keeping race pace and car development, can be worked out, so taking a few years out wouldn't necessarily do him any harm. especially when your father owns a racing team and the aston martin company! if the talk of their factory GTE programme shutting down is false, there is a perfect spot for him there where he could make a lucrative career and improve his driving; if they decide to enter the hypercar class/whatever is the new LMP1, then even better! i just don't see why, in formula one in 2020, you would let sergio perez go to keep lance stroll. perez/vettel would be the 2nd or 3rd best pairing.
*so was marcus ericsson though and that didn't really help him
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Post by ford71V8 on Jul 17, 2020 0:17:24 GMT
yes! they were on the support for indycar for a while and it was refreshing seeing them between the seriousness of indycar, world challenge, lights and f2000. robbie gordon is one of those people who, for his talent and vision, i think could do with receiving more respect from the motorosport community - even if he didn't exactly show it during his driving career
i took a look and thanks for mentioning the channel, i like it's vibe. going to give the interview with mick doohan a listen between the f1 practice sessions tomorrow.
What Robbie Gordon has done after NASCAR is impressive with the truck series and RC kits on the side. I went and introduced myself to him a few years back (the first year of the trucks in Aus). He seemed nice enough. BUT I secretly harbour ill feeling after he took out Ambrose in Montreal in 2007. I was so angry and shocked that this lunatic took revenge into his own hands, ignoring black flags in the process. I had not been a regular viewer of NASCAR for many years at that point and I was in disbelief that this was even happening Fucking Gordon, coulda been an Ambrose win, you psycho |
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Post by Bartman on Jul 17, 2020 22:57:16 GMT
What Robbie Gordon has done after NASCAR is impressive with the truck series and RC kits on the side. I went and introduced myself to him a few years back (the first year of the trucks in Aus). He seemed nice enough. BUT I secretly harbour ill feeling after he took out Ambrose in Montreal in 2007. I was so angry and shocked that this lunatic took revenge into his own hands, ignoring black flags in the process. I had not been a regular viewer of NASCAR for many years at that point and I was in disbelief that this was even happening Fucking Gordon, coulda been an Ambrose win, you psycho oh gosh, i can remember that! i fucking loved at the end when gordon started doing burnouts with harvick and recognised himself as the race winner (ala seb vettel at montreal last year) too. the original incident i thought was marginal, ambrose maybe took a little more than he was given, but robby's going to be robby and just ploughing into marcos was, errr, ballsy. his first two winston cup series wins were similar: punting jeff gordon out in new hampshire in '01 and then overtaking his teammate kevin harvick under caution at sears point in '03.
the thing is, the guy was bloody talented: finished 5th in CART twice during the mid-90s in inferior equipment, beating mansell and villenueve in '94 and splitting the newman haas's in '95, had ganassi signed him he could've been what alex zanardi was! robby gordon would've been an absolute delight to see in the BTCC or in supercars i think, rivalries upon rivalries to be had he antagonised and alienated as many stewards, drivers, teams, organisations as paul tracy but never got nearly as much praise or success. |
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Post by Bartman on Jul 18, 2020 13:25:14 GMT
if this year's haas is a step up from last year's , which it seems to be by all accounts, if they didn't have the ferrari super engine of questionable legality, i genuinely wonder if the williams' would've been quicker than them.
hell of a lap to get into Q2 from russell.
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 18, 2020 14:15:27 GMT
0.6s to the nearest car in both sessions. Jesus wept :/ 0.9s in quali today. Stick a fork in it, tell the TV directors to focus elsewhere for the rest of the season for the sake of putting on a show :/ Albon quite rattled there already, complaining about being released into traffic but the replay showed anything but. |
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Post by Bartman on Jul 18, 2020 14:29:17 GMT
fuck sake that mercedes is taking the piss. it's insane.
honda problems aside, i assume this ith e first fairly "normal" qualifying session. red bull i think are still the 2nd/3rd best team, tracing point just ahead usually. ferrari looked more impressive this weekend, hopefully a sign that the updates worked. alfa and haas are dire and renault are succeeding in emulating toyota.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 18, 2020 14:29:48 GMT
0.6s to the nearest car in both sessions. Jesus wept :/ 0.9s in quali today. Stick a fork in it, tell the TV directors to focus elsewhere for the rest of the season for the sake of putting on a show :/ Albon quite rattled there already, complaining about being released into traffic but the replay showed anything but. at least the motogp race tomorrow might be good :p |
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Post by Bartman on Jul 18, 2020 18:13:23 GMT
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Post by Bartman on Jul 19, 2020 13:00:29 GMT
verstappen crashing on his outlap. rip race already.
today's the day of the lance stroll podium, boys.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 19, 2020 13:23:28 GMT
KEVIN MAGNUSSEN P3 🙌
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Post by Bartman on Jul 19, 2020 13:40:29 GMT
given how it sounded during practice and qualifying, i am honestly surprised that gasly's engine lasted 15 race laps tbh
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Post by Bartman on Jul 19, 2020 15:04:02 GMT
i was so close to falling asleep but i refuse to let mercedes win.
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 19, 2020 15:31:41 GMT
Red Bull dried the track around Albon's car?!
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Post by Bartman on Jul 19, 2020 16:46:30 GMT
ON TELEVISION no less
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Post by yepsure on Jul 19, 2020 22:54:18 GMT
The absolute dominance of Mercedes...lapping Ferrari |
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Post by Bartman on Jul 20, 2020 13:28:00 GMT
absolute bullshit penalty for haas. fucking ridiculous. especially in the light of bottas clearly making a jump start and red bull drying albon's grid spot.
i'm so glad magnussen kept at least one point. best drive of the season thus far and made possible by that, excellent, strategy call at the start (which, in some instances, could be classed as managing driver safety). to have lost it would've been scandalous.
The absolute dominance of Mercedes...lapping Ferrari it's a terrifying car. unbelievalbe. |
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 20, 2020 14:14:56 GMT
It was the dumbest penalty ever. Especially since they (wrongly imo) aborted that attempt of having limited team-to-driver radio comm a few years ago.
That video of Norris fastest lap at the end of the Austrian GP, with the engineer telling him which buttons to press, where and for how long is blatant and sickening driver coaching, and it's allowed, but not this :rolleyes:
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Post by Bartman on Jul 20, 2020 16:07:51 GMT
aye, that's what i find particularly egregious about yesterday's decision: lando norris, as you say, can be coached to a fastest lap at the end of the grand prix with directions from the engineer and it be okay but haas making a call on pit stops before the race but after the start of the formation lap is not. it's so frustrating and a terrible look on the part of series.
alpha tauri were made to look like complete imbeciles too, with kvyat repeatedly asking to come in and the team, seemingly, ignoring him. that strategy got haas running 3rd and 4th in the race with their lead car finishing 9th: what could alpha tauri have managed? kvyat would've finished ahead of sainz (and magnussen) at least.
re the norris thing, aye, it was something else. i amn't necessarily against - like i understand when in indycar they get the drivers to manage their push-to-pass system and everything but come on, this was so bad. i remember in those wild days with the hybrid prototypes, and gt500 cars in supergt actually, and them having like 400 page manuals for understanding and operating the car which the drivers had to memorise and apply in 500 mile, 6 hour, 24 hour races. obviously there was some driver management and the demands of the discipline are very different! but i don't know if young lando really needed all of that support.
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 22, 2020 19:28:48 GMT
Ferrari with organisational changes, creating a performance development department with consultation with Rory Byrne (who is 76). This seems almost as desperate as Williams last season saying they were doing something similar with Patrick Head.
Both f1 legends of course, but still...
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Post by Bartman on Jul 22, 2020 21:04:48 GMT
the hot tip is that within the next fortnight or so is: china officially cancelled; portimão, imola and nürburgring (meaning not hockenheim  ) to be announced and the series staying within europe until the middle eastern leg at the end of the season.
creventic cancelled their 12 hour race at imola earlier today i believe, with the track citing the need to save their "noisy days" for another date in october. so connect the dots. the good news is, the creventic race is now to be held at enna pergusa! lovely racetrack, very underrated. and the race is being branded as "targa florio", so that'll do nicely.
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) to be announced and the series staying within europe until the middle eastern leg at the end of the season.