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Post by Bartman on Jul 6, 2020 9:21:31 GMT
well this clearly means to be that either jolyon palmer, vitaly petrov or jacques villenueve will be in second renault next season.
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 6, 2020 11:55:24 GMT
Speaking of Renault, Ocon was fairly rubbish yesterday and didn't deserve points :p
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Post by Bartman on Jul 6, 2020 12:08:12 GMT
latifi was more convincing tbh. i'll give him the benefit of the doubt, having not raced for like 600 days,but i wasn't impressed. the teams obviously see more data than i do but i was thoroughly unimipressed by him vs wehrlein and perez. i'd have just kept hulk tbh. or made a move for wehrlein.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 6, 2020 12:15:25 GMT
honestly what were renault thinking not putting him in super formula or indycar or something last season? i know that renault don't compete in either series but at least it'd keep his instincts up.
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Post by ford71V8 on Jul 7, 2020 0:50:51 GMT
You been keeping up with any news of our little series down here Bartman?
Half our teams have had to pack and relocate to another state with a few hours notice to keep the series running. Victoria will be in complete lockdown as of our midnight tonite.
Commitment from the team and crews is huge. No idea when they can or will return home.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 7, 2020 14:34:32 GMT
You been keeping up with any news of our little series down here Bartman? Half our teams have had to pack and relocate to another state with a few hours notice to keep the series running. Victoria will be in complete lockdown as of our midnight tonite. Commitment from the team and crews is huge. No idea when they can or will return home. i was just going to message you! i completely missed that the round at eastern creek because i hadn't realised the season restarted!
i saw, i think on touring car times, last week that there was doubt that the race in winton would happen and now i see that it's completely called off now. that is such a severe situation to happen. it's obviously bad for everyone involved but i can't imagine being a mechanic that lives in vic. and having to be away from the state and my family for an open-ended amount of time.
how is the situation in australia? the idea of victoria being completely shut down sounds almost unbelieveable to me.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 7, 2020 14:38:59 GMT
also in touring car news, power maxed racing have pulled out of the BTCC this season, though they are expecting to return for next season. it's quite big news especially as it means that two of the series' top drivers are now without drives - jason plato and the returning mat jackson - for a season that is set to start in 3 weeks. former champion andrew jordan has also stepped out of the series, from a factory BMW drive too, citing the effects of the rona on his schedule. www.touringcartimes.com/2020/07/07/power-maxed-racing-pause-btcc-programme/
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Post by Bartman on Jul 7, 2020 14:42:23 GMT
and one last news that broke on the bbc news channel as i was typing that - bbc are reporting that the dark lord himself is returning to F1 with renault!
(benson's been hit and miss - and his knowledge of motorsport outwith f1 is patchy at times - but he was the one who scooped lotterer to caterham that weird weekend and the various times rossi was set to start (and then didn't) for caterham and marussia. so we'll see)
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 7, 2020 18:33:20 GMT
also in touring car news, power maxed racing have pulled out of the BTCC this season, though they are expecting to return for next season. it's quite big news especially as it means that two of the series' top drivers are now without drives - jason plato and the returning mat jackson - for a season that is set to start in 3 weeks. former champion andrew jordan has also stepped out of the series, from a factory BMW drive too, citing the effects of the rona on his schedule. www.touringcartimes.com/2020/07/07/power-maxed-racing-pause-btcc-programme/How strong is the BTCC and its teams structurally? That seems a pretty patchy set of news...
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 7, 2020 18:33:53 GMT
and one last news that broke on the bbc news channel as i was typing that - bbc are reporting that the dark lord himself is returning to F1 with renault! (benson's been hit and miss - and his knowledge of motorsport outwith f1 is patchy at times - but he was the one who scooped lotterer to caterham that weird weekend and the various times rossi was set to start (and then didn't) for caterham and marussia. so we'll see) Oh for fuck's sake.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 7, 2020 20:40:21 GMT
How strong is the BTCC and its teams structurally? That seems a pretty patchy set of news... BTCC is stronger than it was 10 years ago but it isn't ideal news. they've had 30 car grids for the past 7-8 years now which are of a pretty high quality, generally speaking. honda, BMW, vauxhall, MG, subaru, toyota have all had factory (or at least factory supported) teams lately although i would still say the majority of drivers are bringing funding and have weekday jobs.
power maxed racing have been around a few years now, joining the series in 2015 and becoming vauxhall's team in 2017. they're generally at the front of the midfield, taking a few wins a season and with their top car generally finishing 4-8th in a given race. they brought jason plato on for 2019 after his stint with subaru went from decent to disasterous and this year signed mat jackson - maybe the finest driver never to win the championship -who is returning after a couple of seasons away. this season was expected to be quite a big one for them so it is somewhat of a shock that they'd pull out. the team intends to run a few guest rides this season, so they aren't pulling out entirely, but it sounds like they are maybe facing a budget issue - the regulations haven't changed or anything so they cost for the season isn't expected to change much though the condensed calendar might produce some challenges. optimistically, i would hope that it is just them saving resources for a hopefully more normal 2021 calendar and series.
i suspect andrew jordan's situation might be budget based as well. 2020 *i think* was to be his first season officially part of west surrey racing (BMW's effective factory team) - before, jordan's always teamed up with other teams (triple 8 when he drove a vauxhall and MG; dynamics when he drove a honda; motorbase with ford) but his entry was owned separately by his family. jordan's alluded to lots of people working to make his entry happen and stuff, which presumably is his various backers: he lost pirtek as a sponsor, which was quite a blow, and it seems that even finishing 2nd in the championship last year (to his team mate) isn't enough to keep him on. WSR already pay big money for colin turkington and BMW are keen on the other driver ,tom oliphant.
the reason i posted about this, but i forgot to actually say why , is that power maxed are an engineering and cleaning company; the jordans make their money primarily from setting cars up for rallycross and historic racing - with coronavirus meaning that firms are shutting down, personal car use is lower meaning cars need cleaned less and the historic and rallycross season running a rump calendar, with i would expect a lower car count because of the same reason these teams have withdrawn from BTCC, there just isn't enough money coming into their businesses to justify putting into a full racing season, either to pay drivers or pay to share resources with another team. for formula one, i think this could end up being the case for haas - if things weren't already problematic enough for them. we know gene is a billionaire but we also know - from guenther telling magnussen and grosjean every 10 minutes last season - that gene is funding the team. i don't know what sales of CNC machines are going to be like this year and in the next few years to come, while the real economy is utterly fucked. what worries me is for other teams and drivers that are backed by firms that are based in the real economy - lando norris will always be fine, his dad's a hedge fund manager; nicholas latifi's is CEO of a food company: meanwhile in indycar you have several drivers whose backing is from smaller engineering firms, car dealerships and shops - are going to suffer greatly.
if car counts are a worry in motorsport at the moment, i do worry for the next few years from local/national level all the way for formula one.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 7, 2020 21:05:27 GMT
oh aye, i meant to say, TOCA (the organising body) employed andrew jordan to test their new hybrid sysem for the 2022 season. so he's not entirely out of the series - and in fact will probably be an asset in a couple of years when the new regulations come in.
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Post by ford71V8 on Jul 8, 2020 0:28:58 GMT
You been keeping up with any news of our little series down here Bartman? Half our teams have had to pack and relocate to another state with a few hours notice to keep the series running. Victoria will be in complete lockdown as of our midnight tonite. Commitment from the team and crews is huge. No idea when they can or will return home. i was just going to message you! i completely missed that the round at eastern creek because i hadn't realised the season restarted!
i saw, i think on touring car times, last week that there was doubt that the race in winton would happen and now i see that it's completely called off now. that is such a severe situation to happen. it's obviously bad for everyone involved but i can't imagine being a mechanic that lives in vic. and having to be away from the state and my family for an open-ended amount of time.
how is the situation in australia? the idea of victoria being completely shut down sounds almost unbelieveable to me.
Eastern Creek round was killer actually. Best racing I have seen from the V8s in a few seasons, not joking. With limits on crew numbers (13 max inc. drivers for a 2 car team), less sensors, less data, less time between races, 2day event, no supports, no fuel rigs, only 2 rattle guns allowed, and a tyre allocation that barely covered the qualy and races......well, turns out that makes for some great battles and a few unfamiliar podium getters. Expect the same for the coming round. They are keeping the same circuit config, adding hard compound tyres to the mix and Saturday will be under lights.
Australia good if you forget how fucked up Vic is right now. Bad management with hotel lock-ins - the freaking guards were letting the people isolating out to go shopping....oh yeah, and banging them . Probably a number of other things contributing to the spreading. Numbers are higher there than they have been since the start but of course more testing will do that too. Morning news here right now is full of cops and defence at the borders. Few days ago, 2 clever fellas were told No and to 180 and head back, so they tried to get across into my state through a back way and got their car bogged. Police found them again, should have been fined $10k, silly fuckers.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 10, 2020 10:41:07 GMT
jack aitken killed latifi in practice
(i appreciate that latifi only got half a session thanks to a knackered gearbox nonetheless) ((also i think jack aitken could already be in f1 already but that's by the by))
How strong is the BTCC and its teams structurally? That seems a pretty patchy set of news... re the state of BTCC in 2020, this is quite a good interview autosport posted a few days ago with the series director, alan gow
Eastern Creek round was killer actually. Best racing I have seen from the V8s in a few seasons, not joking. With limits on crew numbers (13 max inc. drivers for a 2 car team), less sensors, less data, less time between races, 2day event, no supports, no fuel rigs, only 2 rattle guns allowed, and a tyre allocation that barely covered the qualy and races......well, turns out that makes for some great battles and a few unfamiliar podium getters. Expect the same for the coming round. They are keeping the same circuit config, adding hard compound tyres to the mix and Saturday will be under lights.
Australia good if you forget how fucked up Vic is right now. Bad management with hotel lock-ins - the freaking guards were letting the people isolating out to go shopping....oh yeah, and banging them . Probably a number of other things contributing to the spreading. Numbers are higher there than they have been since the start but of course more testing will do that too. Morning news here right now is full of cops and defence at the borders. Few days ago, 2 clever fellas were told No and to 180 and head back, so they tried to get across into my state through a back way and got their car bogged. Police found them again, should have been fined $10k, silly fuckers.
that sounds exciting! i'll try and find the races out there because that sounds like a blast. the night racing sounds good too. not sure if you've caught any nascar this year but they're running no practice/minimal resources as well. it isn't so up and down in the cup series - though kyle busch not winning a race by july is noteworthy - but the xfinity series has been wild.
so it's mostly contained within vic? that's easier to deal with i suppose. the hotel lock-in story sounds very counter-intuitive and err some very daft guards those bright sparks trying to cross the border. what punishment did they receive? other than the embarrassment of getting caught stranded? there's debate just not about closing the scottish-english border because the north of england is having a bad outbreak (or rather, worse outbreak...) and it's spread into dumfries & galloway, a very rural area. how it got there was that they brought health workers over the border from carlisle to test them, because the facilities are better here, and you can work out the rest. it's an absolute disaster between the pro-independence scottish government who want a temporary closure and the very very very very anti-independence opposition, who are also very popular in the borders. hell.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 10, 2020 22:12:59 GMT
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Post by Bartman on Jul 11, 2020 21:48:20 GMT
watching the indycar just now and seeing, especially on the onboard cameras, all of this wonderful grass and gravel, and close barriers, to actually punish driver errors and discourage cheating cutting corners or taking excessive risks
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Post by Bartman on Jul 11, 2020 21:53:00 GMT
ford71V8 have you seen this interview that dale earnhardt jr did with paul morris? i can't find the whole interview but this clip is great. earnhardt got drunk on morris's wine and one of morris's associates ended up getting a year in the usa driving late models for jr's team as a result. seemingly there were a number of times also that paul morris was close to driving a busch series car. i know that it's his nickname but paul morris really is such a dude.very cool guy.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 11, 2020 22:15:16 GMT
fuck me, this indycar race is so so good. wheel to wheel racing at the front without anybody being punted out. the entire top 10 are in with a shout at the halfway point and newgarden, rosenqvist and big marcus ericsson behind can get back into it easy (newgarden had been leading before stalling in the pits).
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Post by Bartman on Jul 11, 2020 23:13:04 GMT
scott dixon is an absolute machine. the #goat.
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 12, 2020 10:05:07 GMT
Hamilton's pole lap onboard camera is ace, looks almost as comfortable as a dry lap. (That or this generation of cars is too easy, like Rosberg and a few drivers hinted at )
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Post by Bartman on Jul 12, 2020 13:18:14 GMT
what the actual fuck was leclerc attempting there? do all of the ferrari cars have brake problems now?
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Post by Bartman on Jul 12, 2020 13:21:25 GMT
Hamilton's pole lap onboard camera is ace, looks almost as comfortable as a dry lap. (That or this generation of cars is too easy, like Rosberg and a few drivers hinted at ) it looked like it was on rails at points
i think it might be alittle bit of both. on sky, they were following verstappen's last attempted lap onboard and it was a challenge! the car looked very loose, how much it was set up or conditions i don't know. the mercedes has looked rooted both weekends, which maybe lends credence to rosberg's theory, at the same time hamilton on a pole lap in the rain usually shows a frightening amount of talent.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 12, 2020 13:22:10 GMT
i hope the mercs have gearbox issues again...
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Post by Bartman on Jul 12, 2020 13:36:35 GMT
i'll forever respect renault for being given the opportunity to get a good result and yet they never, ever take it. absolutely wasting ricciardo's tyres here.
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Post by Bartman on Jul 12, 2020 14:12:13 GMT
alex albon is eddie irvine :aye:
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Post by Bartman on Jul 12, 2020 14:39:26 GMT
once again, as i have said since 2013, if you take red bull and mercedes out of the equation you have one heck of a race series!
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 12, 2020 14:49:30 GMT
Wrong Spanish-speaking driver got the Maranello contract. Speaking of which... double Ferrari DNF
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Post by forgotten in space on Jul 12, 2020 14:50:51 GMT
alex albon is eddie irvine :aye: He did a Gasly today. But... Did he have the updates only Max had last weekend?
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Post by Bartman on Jul 12, 2020 15:12:29 GMT
perez had a flawless day until lap 69 :p i am surprised maranello haven't seemed to make a move for him since the mclaren year; he's been one of the very best ever since. otoh, he more or less has a race for life at jordan from all accounts. bit worrying sainz's race pace so far. something to keep an eye on right enough. He did a Gasly today. But... Did he have the updates only Max had last weekend? i haven't seen anything to suggest he did or didn't. i will keep an ear out for kravitz's report this evening and to the BBC's show. losing sometime at the start behind the mclaren is fine - though i doubt max would've lost nearly as much - but to be a stop behind your teammate after 28 or however many laps it was when verstappen stopped is a bit concerning. are they going to try kvyat again? :p
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Post by Bartman on Jul 12, 2020 18:09:04 GMT
formula one didn't deserve marcus ericsson
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