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I know people that have struggled with weed. Some people I don't like being around when they are stoned. I also don't like the 'stoner mentality' and the grubby kids with their cut off hose stuck inside a plastic bottle, getting wasted all day without a single care about employment and their future. So it will probably sound strange to then say I've smoked cones since I was a teenager. I will probably have a pipe tonight at some point when the kids are in bed. I completed high school at a high level, did an apprenticeship, multiple tertiary education (the tough ones while raising a family and working) and I've worked all my life (often with very professional individuals). I've managed this plus always keeping myself busy with projects and family commitments without feeling the need to curb or watch my weed intake. Bottom line is we are all different and weed is going to affect us in different ways. I know some clever people that just can't deal with getting high unless they know they are free from all responsibilities for the day/night. Others can get bent before talking to peers without it impacting on the conversation. Maybe more relatable to Aussies but I come from a time when it was pretty much accepted that you were stoned driving around with your mates because you were tonight's designated driver. This is so true as well. It really does affect people in different ways. It's also one of those things that feeds of my state of mind. I know that if I'm feeling anxious or stressed or whatever that I won't enjoy it. On the other hand, if I'm relaxed before I take a hit I'll have a grand time. Not everyone is the same, but I know some are. I can't imagine driving while high though! |
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should be legalised. "weed culture" is fucking dumb though and overrrun by hipsters trying to centre their whole life around it (please, go take a 20 minute walk in the park). no, it does not need to be any stronger. there's no point in smoking stuff that potent, its just a big dick measuring contest. cant wait for that dumb culture to die off.
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Might try a space cake the next time i go to Amsterdam (not).
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Elaborate on the darker side please Se Belbies. I underestimated a batch of space cookies. Couldn't remember who or where I was. As in I could not picture my house (even though I was in it at the time) or remember my date of birth or name. I literally thought I was losing my mind. I can't describe the horror that confronts you when your very sanity feels threatened. I experienced pretty bad dissociation/depersonalisation for a couple of days afterwards too. That may have been the symptom of the panic though. I tried edibles one time and it was the worst two-three days of my life. I didn't know what I was doing and ate way too much. I ate it in the evening thinking "ah this will be over in a few hours" and I woke up the next day with quite a surprise. Never again, that shit freaked me out. |
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Post by Guest on Apr 24, 2017 19:29:53 GMT
I underestimated a batch of space cookies. Couldn't remember who or where I was. As in I could not picture my house (even though I was in it at the time) or remember my date of birth or name. I literally thought I was losing my mind. I can't describe the horror that confronts you when your very sanity feels threatened. I experienced pretty bad dissociation/depersonalisation for a couple of days afterwards too. That may have been the symptom of the panic though. I tried edibles one time and it was the worst two-three days of my life. I didn't know what I was doing and ate way too much. I ate it in the evening thinking "ah this will be over in a few hours" and I woke up the next day with quite a surprise. Never again, that shit freaked me out. Edibles are a completely different animal from smoking reefer. Like you, I only did that shit once! The leaves turned into caterpillars and time got weird. One minute felt like 1 hour....felt more like dropping acid than smoking weed. I'll never do that shit again! |
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I tried edibles one time and it was the worst two-three days of my life. I didn't know what I was doing and ate way too much. I ate it in the evening thinking "ah this will be over in a few hours" and I woke up the next day with quite a surprise. Never again, that shit freaked me out. Edibles are a completely different animal from smoking reefer. Like you, I only did that shit once! The leaves turned into caterpillars and time got weird. One minute felt like 1 hour....felt more like dropping acid than smoking weed. I'll never do that shit again! It was terrible. Once I woke up and still felt the effects I started panicking and it was all down hill from there. I haven't smoked weed in a long time, but I might if it ever becomes legal. I will NEVER try edibles again. It's just too much. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2017 20:43:20 GMT
The stronger the better. I want to freak out. It's good for you. But, that's why I take heavy doses of shrooms.
Everyone needs to think they are gonna die at least once a year.
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Post by SeDelby on Apr 24, 2017 22:37:21 GMT
I underestimated a batch of space cookies. Couldn't remember who or where I was. As in I could not picture my house (even though I was in it at the time) or remember my date of birth or name. I literally thought I was losing my mind. I can't describe the horror that confronts you when your very sanity feels threatened. I experienced pretty bad dissociation/depersonalisation for a couple of days afterwards too. That may have been the symptom of the panic though. I tried edibles one time and it was the worst two-three days of my life. I didn't know what I was doing and ate way too much. I ate it in the evening thinking "ah this will be over in a few hours" and I woke up the next day with quite a surprise. Never again, that shit freaked me out. Edibles are such a gamble unless you follow an exact recipe every time. If you try stuff someone else made you just don't know. If you alter something you do with your own it can change the potency. I've had the best highs ever on edibles and I've felt almost nothing from them. But it's a fine line between being super high in a good way and super high to the point where your psyche starts imploding. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Apr 25, 2017 0:07:02 GMT
Yep crossing the line with cookies can be not much fun.
And you're not sure where that line is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 10:53:13 GMT
Yep crossing the line with cookies can be not much fun. And you're not sure where that line is. I've heard of people ending up in hospital after a space cake. |
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Post by General Smithers on Apr 25, 2017 14:59:40 GMT
The stronger the better. I want to freak out. It's good for you. But, that's why I take heavy doses of shrooms. Everyone needs to think they are gonna die at least once a year. You're an idiot. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2017 19:19:02 GMT
The stronger the better. I want to freak out. It's good for you. But, that's why I take heavy doses of shrooms. Everyone needs to think they are gonna die at least once a year. You're an idiot. Mmm, no. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 15:19:08 GMT
The stronger the better. I want to freak out. It's good for you. But, that's why I take heavy doses of shrooms. Everyone needs to think they are gonna die at least once a year. You're an idiot. very constructive post. |
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Post by General Smithers on Apr 26, 2017 22:53:39 GMT
Yes, about as constructive as saying everyone needs to think they're going to die. |
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Post by waunakonor on Apr 26, 2017 23:48:54 GMT
I know for a fact that I'm going to die.
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Post by General Smithers on Apr 27, 2017 7:54:50 GMT
I want Sig to expand upon his expert knowledge of how freaking out on drugs to the point of thinking you're going to die is "good for you". I think qualified people such as doctors and psychologists would disagree.
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I'll give my story here since I think it's relevant. I have heavy anxiety problems, schizophrenia too, and I smoke almost every day of my life, however I can do it and enjoy it since I've managed to overcome several internal conflicts that I used to have a couple of years back. The most important thing I believe is your state of mental health, I went through a pretty big deppression, it got pretty bad like 2 years ago, just locked in my room hating myself isolated from the outside world with just me and my thoughts, trapped in a deppresive logical loop impossible to get out of on your own and too fucked up to even ask for help. I then started smoking weed more frequently, (my drug used to be alcohol, fuck I got messed up on it) and in that rotten state that was my mind, bad highs were happenning way too often. They were getting worse, at one point forgot who i was, I would look at my cellphone and all my contacts seemed so strange, got out of my room couldn't recognize my own house, thoughts were going through my head at such a rate It really hurt, like mental pain, I started crying in dessperation wishing to pass out but for some reason I never pass out, not from alcohol nor too much weed, mind just keeps going even if I can't take it anymore. Suddenly it got different, I was myself again, but something was different, I had managed to look at myself, my life, my personality, and for the first time ever I felt something other than rage and self embarrasment. I felt sad, like I would feel for any other human being that was suffering as much as I was, I got out of the deppressive loop, my perspective of myself changed in an instant and I was finally able to ask for help. Fast forward after a lot of weekly sesisons with a psycologist and I'm finally at peace with myself.
I feel I owe my recovery to weed, would've taken a lot longer without it to realize how mentally ill I was, it's an honest drug (unlike alcohol), if you are spiritually unstable it will let you know, forcing yourself to face your own demons, that's why it's so scary and unpleasant when you have a bad high, but once you get over it weed has a completely different effect on you. Now I smoke and it seems like a different drug to me, the effect is so different, and all because my mind is not rotten anymore. I do control myself though, I can't function if im high everyday, it has it's moments where is really helpful but too much really does turn you into a useless potato, and I feel way too many young people are overusing it, they think it can cure cancer and save the planet, it's a drug and it should be treated like one.
I was lucky though, started smoking frequently at 23 years old, so my brain got to develop normally I think, it did accelerate my schizophrenia though, for the better in the end since now I've learned to use my mind in positive ways. Here teenagers are smoking at age 13 or 15, and I don't think thats good, there has to be a certain level of maturity so that you don't let the effects get the better of you, It's ridiculous seeing them smoking all day doing nothing, just wasting time.
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Post by ford71V8 on Apr 28, 2017 0:34:14 GMT
I'll give my story here since I think it's relevant. I have heavy anxiety problems, schizophrenia too, and I smoke almost every day of my life, however I can do it and enjoy it since I've managed to overcome several internal conflicts that I used to have a couple of years back. The most important thing I believe is your state of mental health, I went through a pretty big deppression, it got pretty bad like 2 years ago, just locked in my room hating myself isolated from the outside world with just me and my thoughts, trapped in a deppresive logical loop impossible to get out of on your own and too fucked up to even ask for help. I then started smoking weed more frequently, (my drug used to be alcohol, fuck I got messed up on it) and in that rotten state that was my mind, bad highs were happenning way too often. They were getting worse, at one point forgot who i was, I would look at my cellphone and all my contacts seemed so strange, got out of my room couldn't recognize my own house, thoughts were going through my head at such a rate It really hurt, like mental pain, I started crying in dessperation wishing to pass out but for some reason I never pass out, not from alcohol nor too much weed, mind just keeps going even if I can't take it anymore. Suddenly it got different, I was myself again, but something was different, I had managed to look at myself, my life, my personality, and for the first time ever I felt something other than rage and self embarrasment. I felt sad, like I would feel for any other human being that was suffering as much as I was, I got out of the deppressive loop, my perspective of myself changed in an instant and I was finally able to ask for help. Fast forward after a lot of weekly sesisons with a psycologist and I'm finally at peace with myself. I feel I owe my recovery to weed, would've taken a lot longer without it to realize how mentally ill I was, it's an honest drug (unlike alcohol), if you are spiritually unstable it will let you know, forcing yourself to face your own demons, that's why it's so scary and unpleasant when you have a bad high, but once you get over it weed has a completely different effect on you. Now I smoke and it seems like a different drug to me, the effect is so different, and all because my mind is not rotten anymore. I do control myself though, I can't function if im high everyday, it has it's moments where is really helpful but too much really does turn you into a useless potato, and I feel way too many young people are overusing it, they think it can cure cancer and save the planet, it's a drug and it should be treated like one. I was lucky though, started smoking frequently at 23 years old, so my brain got to develop normally I think, it did accelerate my schizophrenia though, for the better in the end since now I've learned to use my mind in positive ways. Here teenagers are smoking at age 13 or 15, and I don't think thats good, there has to be a certain level of maturity so that you don't let the effects get the better of you, It's ridiculous seeing them smoking all day doing nothing, just wasting time. Can you tell us how old you are now? Even a ballpark number if you like. I think the low point there that you speak about is pretty frightening and can say I have seen at least one other person allow weed to effectively isolate them from the real world. Like DeSelby (I think) said before, the high tends to exacerbate the current state of mind. Feeling like shit and hating the world - smoking weed is not likely to reverse that but rather let you focus on it. I don't know, we are made up different - I feel as long as you are controlling where you want to be there's no problem. If that control somehow slips away, its time to think about quickly changing your habits. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2017 4:06:41 GMT
I want Sig to expand upon his expert knowledge of how freaking out on drugs to the point of thinking you're going to die is "good for you". I think qualified people such as doctors and psychologists would disagree. It's humbling. Best experience of my life was thinking I was going to die. Puts shit in perspective. Never experience such intense happiness and gratitude afterwards. There is nothing else that is going to give that to you. I don't need a doctor or psychologist to tell anything about that considering most of them likely never had an intense psychedelic experience, and most of them aren't qualified on psychedelic use either. The most they could tell you is it could be dangerous. So is driving there. Yes, for some it could be dangerous. Some. A small amount. You're in more danger every day you get into a car and think you're safe. |
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Post by General Smithers on Apr 28, 2017 14:22:10 GMT
I want Sig to expand upon his expert knowledge of how freaking out on drugs to the point of thinking you're going to die is "good for you". I think qualified people such as doctors and psychologists would disagree. It's humbling. Best experience of my life was thinking I was going to die. Puts shit in perspective. Never experience such intense happiness and gratitude afterwards. There is nothing else that is going to give that to you. I'm sure kidnap survivors who were held at ransom felt intense happiness and gratitude after they were released or rescued. Does that mean everyone should let themselves be kidnapped so they can experience these feelings? It's not a bad analogy actually because what drugs do is kidnap your mind for a brief time. If I want to feel humbled I will look up at the starry sky at night and realize how huge and grand the universe is and how small I am in comparison. I don't see why you would need to alter your perception with psychoactive drugs to achieve this. |
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Post by yepsure on Apr 29, 2017 0:04:52 GMT
Drug and alcohol use really says something about how fucked up modern human society is. Humans are either so bored or so unhappy that they need to find chemicals and poisons to injest that may, in conditions are just right, result in brief periods of happiness at the potential expense of adverse physical and pyschological effects. I'm talking about this at a macro level, not about individuals specifically. It's the same concept as people who keep buying shit they don't need with money they don't have. We're so addicted to seeking out these brief moments of joy regardless of risk.
And these moments of happiness and joy are just chemical reactions in the brain (that drugs help cause artificially)... a few thousands years ago humans would have felt these same feelings of joy and happiness just from having a warm place to sleep and food in their belly. Human society has evolved to be incredibly complex, but the human spirit has never been more broken.
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Post by waunakonor on Apr 29, 2017 0:44:51 GMT
Marijuana and alcohol are not exclusively staples of "modern society." Not even close in fact.
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Post by SeDelby on Apr 29, 2017 2:32:50 GMT
Drug and alcohol use really says something about how fucked up modern human society is. Humans are either so bored or so unhappy that they need to find chemicals and poisons to injest that may, in conditions are just right, result in brief periods of happiness at the potential expense of adverse physical and pyschological effects. I'm talking about this at a macro level, not about individuals specifically. It's the same concept as people who keep buying shit they don't need with money they don't have. We're so addicted to seeking out these brief moments of joy regardless of risk. And these moments of happiness and joy are just chemical reactions in the brain (that drugs help cause artificially)... a few thousands years ago humans would have felt these same feelings of joy and happiness just from having a warm place to sleep and food in their belly. Human society has evolved to be incredibly complex, but the human spirit has never been more broken. And no I'm not high right now. Humans have been using natural substances to alter their states of consciousness for thousands of years. Marijuana included. The only difference is that we now abuse these substances and create synthetic products that mess up our bodies, and we call them all "drugs". Not that I'm disagreeing with you; I just think it's dangerous to star assuming what would have brought ancient humans happiness. Although you didn't state this, you're skirting the notion that ancient humans didn't rely on mind-altering substances. The truth is many of them incorporated such substances into the fabric of the cosmologies. The difference today is we don't have cosmologies to augment; we're just escaping life. |
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Post by SeDelby on Apr 29, 2017 2:36:11 GMT
I'll give my story here since I think it's relevant. I have heavy anxiety problems, schizophrenia too, and I smoke almost every day of my life, however I can do it and enjoy it since I've managed to overcome several internal conflicts that I used to have a couple of years back. The most important thing I believe is your state of mental health, I went through a pretty big deppression, it got pretty bad like 2 years ago, just locked in my room hating myself isolated from the outside world with just me and my thoughts, trapped in a deppresive logical loop impossible to get out of on your own and too fucked up to even ask for help. I then started smoking weed more frequently, (my drug used to be alcohol, fuck I got messed up on it) and in that rotten state that was my mind, bad highs were happenning way too often. They were getting worse, at one point forgot who i was, I would look at my cellphone and all my contacts seemed so strange, got out of my room couldn't recognize my own house, thoughts were going through my head at such a rate It really hurt, like mental pain, I started crying in dessperation wishing to pass out but for some reason I never pass out, not from alcohol nor too much weed, mind just keeps going even if I can't take it anymore. Suddenly it got different, I was myself again, but something was different, I had managed to look at myself, my life, my personality, and for the first time ever I felt something other than rage and self embarrasment. I felt sad, like I would feel for any other human being that was suffering as much as I was, I got out of the deppressive loop, my perspective of myself changed in an instant and I was finally able to ask for help. Fast forward after a lot of weekly sesisons with a psycologist and I'm finally at peace with myself. I feel I owe my recovery to weed, would've taken a lot longer without it to realize how mentally ill I was, it's an honest drug (unlike alcohol), if you are spiritually unstable it will let you know, forcing yourself to face your own demons, that's why it's so scary and unpleasant when you have a bad high, but once you get over it weed has a completely different effect on you. Now I smoke and it seems like a different drug to me, the effect is so different, and all because my mind is not rotten anymore. I do control myself though, I can't function if im high everyday, it has it's moments where is really helpful but too much really does turn you into a useless potato, and I feel way too many young people are overusing it, they think it can cure cancer and save the planet, it's a drug and it should be treated like one. I was lucky though, started smoking frequently at 23 years old, so my brain got to develop normally I think, it did accelerate my schizophrenia though, for the better in the end since now I've learned to use my mind in positive ways. Here teenagers are smoking at age 13 or 15, and I don't think thats good, there has to be a certain level of maturity so that you don't let the effects get the better of you, It's ridiculous seeing them smoking all day doing nothing, just wasting time. Thanks for sharing that. Really interesting account. As ford said, we're all different and react in different ways. Seems like it ended up having a positive impact on you in the end. Really cool to hear. Some people don't have the self-awareness to turn that crisis into an epiphany. They just collapse. Glad you didn't! |
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Post by General Smithers on Apr 29, 2017 4:47:32 GMT
Drug and alcohol use really says something about how fucked up modern human society is. Humans are either so bored or so unhappy that they need to find chemicals and poisons to injest that may, in conditions are just right, result in brief periods of happiness at the potential expense of adverse physical and pyschological effects. I'm talking about this at a macro level, not about individuals specifically. It's the same concept as people who keep buying shit they don't need with money they don't have. We're so addicted to seeking out these brief moments of joy regardless of risk. And these moments of happiness and joy are just chemical reactions in the brain (that drugs help cause artificially)... a few thousands years ago humans would have felt these same feelings of joy and happiness just from having a warm place to sleep and food in their belly. Human society has evolved to be incredibly complex, but the human spirit has never been more broken. And no I'm not high right now. Humans have been using natural substances to alter their states of consciousness for thousands of years. Marijuana included. The only difference is that we now abuse these substances and create synthetic products that mess up our bodies, and we call them all "drugs". Not that I'm disagreeing with you; I just think it's dangerous to star assuming what would have brought ancient humans happiness. Although you didn't state this, you're skirting the notion that ancient humans didn't rely on mind-altering substances. The truth is many of them incorporated such substances into the fabric of the cosmologies. The difference today is we don't have cosmologies to augment; we're just escaping life. Cosmologies.... augment.... Stop using such fancy words de selbies, you CUNT. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 7:54:44 GMT
It's humbling. Best experience of my life was thinking I was going to die. Puts shit in perspective. Never experience such intense happiness and gratitude afterwards. There is nothing else that is going to give that to you. I'm sure kidnap survivors who were held at ransom felt intense happiness and gratitude after they were released or rescued. Does that mean everyone should let themselves be kidnapped so they can experience these feelings? It's not a bad analogy actually because what drugs do is kidnap your mind for a brief time. If I want to feel humbled I will look up at the starry sky at night and realize how huge and grand the universe is and how small I am in comparison. I don't see why you would need to alter your perception with psychoactive drugs to achieve this. What the living fuck are you even talking about and why the fuck did ANYONE even fucking agree with this bullshit? Lack of psychedelic experience. I've experienced your starry sky way before and more. If you have something interesting to say about intense psychedelic experiences, great, say them. If you don't, LOL. |
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Post by yepsure on Apr 29, 2017 8:55:18 GMT
What the living fuck are you even talking about and why the fuck did ANYONE even fucking agree with this bullshit? He's making the valid point that traumatic events often result at an elated appreciation for life. Studies show that people who survive horrific car accidents, some of whom are maimed or that lose limbs or loss of all normal physical ability, often report that they are happier after the event than they were prior to it. This is not a reason to go ahead and force such a situation upon yourself. There are other smarter, safer, ways to appreciate and be grateful for ones like. In other words, taking drugs to the point where you nearly die so that you can experience a renewed appreciation for life is fucking stupid and probably suggests that there is an underlying mental health issue that needs to be dealt with, rather than some sort of profound, special insight into what life is all about. |
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Post by Mob on Apr 29, 2017 10:31:26 GMT
In other words, taking drugs to the point where you nearly die so that you can experience a renewed appreciation for life is fucking stupid and probably suggests that there is an underlying mental health issue that needs to be dealt with, rather than some sort of profound, special insight into what life is all about. I totally agree |
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Post by General Smithers on Apr 29, 2017 12:15:02 GMT
I dont think Sig meant he was actually at risk of dying from the drugs he took, just that the effects of the drugs created the illusion that he was going to die. But it would have felt real at the time and the relief and appreciation afterwards would have been real, so yepsure is still correct. If you need to feel as though you are going to die to truly appreciate your life you have some serious problems. If sex, music, art, nature, appreciation for the wonders of the world aren't enough and you need drugs I kind of pity you. You must have a pretty boring life. This is directed more towards Sig than drug users in general, I know for some people taking drugs is just a small part of their life, but Sig has said NOTHING else in life can give him that sense of happiness and gratitude.
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