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Post by killemallforone on Jan 5, 2017 12:33:05 GMT
He says that for the last 25 years he's been about serving the song, but then he says how he loves Sanitarium (yeh I'm slagging off Sanitarium drumming again) because he can go nuts and play whatever. NO LARS, PLAY THE FUCKING BEAT.
Jericho brought up how much snare and snare fills he does, Lars says it was influenced by a drummer (forget the name) and that he doesn't like the sound of the toms so much for fills compared to a snare. It was good Jericho brought it up - I thought he did it in a respectful way but meant as a 'diss'. (Do people still say diss?)
I normally love hearing Lars speak but comparing Lars and Jericho to Hetfield and Rogan is night and day.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 13:00:30 GMT
when he said he plays to serve the song the very first thing i thought was sanitarium.  sorry lars :( but 20 snare rolls and "fills" that are a few weak hits on the snare, a tom, back to snare and then finishing on a cymbal hit which is so rickety it almost throws everyone else in the band off is not serving anything. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 17:33:54 GMT
The fuck ya'll smokin'? Sanny is just fine. In fact, much better drumming in that than much of their later catalog. Too bad he doesn't play like that these days. 'Play the beat' is a pretty nonsensical phrase unless you are literally off time. The 'beat' is whatever he makes it. And he is playing it.
'Serve the song' is nonsense too. How about you serve the song with some wicked ass drumming?
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Post by Metallicanatic on Jan 5, 2017 18:19:54 GMT
You tell him, guys!
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Post by LeeClaire on Jan 5, 2017 20:59:19 GMT
Jesus fucking Christ, Lars. You fucking asshole. How could he do this to the reject MetBB board? Doesn't he realize how we overanalyze the fuck out of every single fucking goddamn miniscule piece of Metallica minutea...minutae...minu...minutia? ...That fucking prick.
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Post by R2D2 on Jan 5, 2017 22:29:07 GMT
Pretty sure he was talking about studio albums in re: to serving the song.
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Post by waunakonor on Jan 5, 2017 22:50:57 GMT
The fuck ya'll smokin'? Sanny is just fine. In fact, much better drumming in that than much of their later catalog. Too bad he doesn't play like that these days. Pretty sure they're talking about how he plays it live these days. |
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Post by SicJes on Jan 6, 2017 3:43:53 GMT
I love ManUnKind, but what the hell was he smoking when he decided to go with that drum pattern? Song would have been even better with a more solid, normal beat.
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Post by ModerusPrime on Jan 6, 2017 4:27:05 GMT
I love ManUnKind, but what the hell was he smoking when he decided to go with that drum pattern? Song would have been even better with a more solid, normal beat. Except the drum beat is in fact a normal, solid beat that fits the timing perfectly because, you know, it's in time... As far as the OP topic, I fail to see the contradiction. There's a difference between writing a song and creating drums that serve the song and having fun playing whatever you feel like live. |
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Post by SicJes on Jan 6, 2017 4:40:22 GMT
I love ManUnKind, but what the hell was he smoking when he decided to go with that drum pattern? Song would have been even better with a more solid, normal beat. Except the drum beat is in fact a normal, solid beat that fits the timing perfectly because, you know, it's in time... [br Yes its in time and goes with the riff, but come on, that shit isn't normal. Its 3\4 and in time, but every non musician I have played it for gets all confused and lost trying to follow along. Its distracting and unnecessary IMO and pulls the song down. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 4:53:15 GMT
Except the drum beat is in fact a normal, solid beat that fits the timing perfectly because, you know, it's in time... [br Yes its in time and goes with the riff, but come on, that shit isn't normal. Its 3\4 and in time, but every non musician I have played it for gets all confused and lost trying to follow along. Its distracting and unnecessary IMO and pulls the song down. Filthy casuals. |
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Post by ModerusPrime on Jan 6, 2017 5:54:55 GMT
Except the drum beat is in fact a normal, solid beat that fits the timing perfectly because, you know, it's in time... [br Yes its in time and goes with the riff, but come on, that shit isn't normal. Its 3\4 and in time, but every non musician I have played it for gets all confused and lost trying to follow along. Its distracting and unnecessary IMO and pulls the song down. I've played along to the song on the drums and it's BADASS and fits perfectly. I've even tried playing "normal" beats to it and it kills it. They don't fit. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 14:14:23 GMT
The fuck ya'll smokin'? Sanny is just fine. In fact, much better drumming in that than much of their later catalog. Too bad he doesn't play like that these days. 'Play the beat' is a pretty nonsensical phrase unless you are literally off time. The 'beat' is whatever he makes it. And he is playing it. 'Serve the song' is nonsense too. How about you serve the song with some wicked ass drumming? im talking about how he plays it live since 2004(ish?), where the verses are almost unrecognisable to the studio version. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 14:17:39 GMT
I love ManUnKind, but what the hell was he smoking when he decided to go with that drum pattern? Song would have been even better with a more solid, normal beat. its focking stock! |
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Jan 6, 2017 15:14:04 GMT
I know it's a surprise to the OP and people like-minded, but the snare drum can be used for fills too. I don't really get why just because you use a snare drum for your go to for fills its a bad thing. He mentions Clive Burr as one of the people who did that and he's right. Listen to Murders In The Rue Morgue and tell me Clive Burr doesn't use snare fills at places where he could totally put a bunch of bazillion tom tom fills like everyone expects a drummer to do. It's just what he does, can't really do much about it. As for playing the beat, well I'll admit, he tends to "experiment" a bit too much, but whatever, its 35 years into Metallica, that isn't changing haha.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 18:15:25 GMT
It's not that it's fundamentally wrong, I think it's more of the criticism of how he uses the snare.
There can be a finesse to it. Observe Exhibit A...
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Post by ampman on Jan 6, 2017 20:33:29 GMT
Yeah I think my main issue is that he plays so hard. If he were to throw some soft snare hits into those fills it would probably be a lot better. But in any event, it's generally not a big issue to me.
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Post by killemallforone on Jan 8, 2017 17:10:30 GMT
The fuck ya'll smokin'? Sanny is just fine. In fact, much better drumming in that than much of their later catalog. Too bad he doesn't play like that these days. 'Play the beat' is a pretty nonsensical phrase unless you are literally off time. The 'beat' is whatever he makes it. And he is playing it. 'Serve the song' is nonsense too. How about you serve the song with some wicked ass drumming? Serve the song is Lars' quote, not mine. He goes wild with random fills and snare stuff when they play Sanitarium live, instead of playing the steady drum beat he does on the album and which he did live up until around 2004. He isn't serving the song by playing his 'nutty' fills everywhere....which is the contradiction. Was your reply trolling because you look like a fucking eejit. |
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Post by killemallforone on Jan 8, 2017 17:12:14 GMT
I love ManUnKind, but what the hell was he smoking when he decided to go with that drum pattern? Song would have been even better with a more solid, normal beat. Except the drum beat is in fact a normal, solid beat that fits the timing perfectly because, you know, it's in time... As far as the OP topic, I fail to see the contradiction. There's a difference between writing a song and creating drums that serve the song and having fun playing whatever you feel like live. How can you not see the contradiction? Serving the song is taking a step back and playing a steady beat like on the album......playing his nutty fills anywhere he wants is not serving the song but instead serving himself |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2017 18:45:37 GMT
The fuck ya'll smokin'? Sanny is just fine. In fact, much better drumming in that than much of their later catalog. Too bad he doesn't play like that these days. 'Play the beat' is a pretty nonsensical phrase unless you are literally off time. The 'beat' is whatever he makes it. And he is playing it. 'Serve the song' is nonsense too. How about you serve the song with some wicked ass drumming? Serve the song is Lars' quote, not mine. He goes wild with random fills and snare stuff when they play Sanitarium live, instead of playing the steady drum beat he does on the album and which he did live up until around 2004. He isn't serving the song by playing his 'nutty' fills everywhere....which is the contradiction. Was your reply trolling because you look like a fucking eejit. I thought it was clear that I didn't listen to the Jericho thing, by my response, as there is a lack of context in the OP. I responded to the OP as it is. I've been let known of this a few times already, thanks. |
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Post by ModerusPrime on Jan 8, 2017 22:17:42 GMT
Except the drum beat is in fact a normal, solid beat that fits the timing perfectly because, you know, it's in time... As far as the OP topic, I fail to see the contradiction. There's a difference between writing a song and creating drums that serve the song and having fun playing whatever you feel like live. How can you not see the contradiction? Serving the song is taking a step back and playing a steady beat like on the album......playing his nutty fills anywhere he wants is not serving the song but instead serving himself Your idea of a "steady" beat is one that's in an even time signature. An odd time signature doesn't make a beat unsteady just because you don't understand it. Playing drums fill you don't like also doesn't make the beat any less steady. You also didn't understand that I was saying that there's no contradiction to making the drums on the album serve the song and then, when played live, having fun and doing what you want. If you play gigs and don't have fun serving yourself as well, why play them? I play drums in a cover band. I add shit to drums all the time to make it fun for me. There's no law saying you have to play songs album perfect. |
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