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Post by Alan-P on Aug 12, 2016 11:28:22 GMT
See for yourself
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2016 13:20:11 GMT
Have to be honest, it sounds like all the other And Justice For Jason version out there (and there are a lot, apparently this is the ONLY allowed title).
The problem is that without being able to access the actual pre-mix stems for the guitars the only ones people can use is the released versions which are so dense that I find any bass mixed in there just sounds out of place. The guitars take too much of the frequency spectrum so need to be completely removed to allow a bass line to sit comfortably in there.
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Post by Alan-P on Aug 12, 2016 14:37:30 GMT
Nah, I've been listening to a bunch today, came across this one by pure accident, it only had 8 views. The bass feels like it's in there as ooposed to layer on top. That's what makes it stand out. There are a couple of others that are very good, but they only have 5 tracks for some reason.
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Post by lightning master on Aug 13, 2016 16:57:01 GMT
There are a couple of others that are very good, but they only have 5 tracks for some reason. That's because those are the songs from the album that were featured in Guitar hero: Metallica, so the only available AJFA bass tracks actually played by Jason/that are on the album are the ones from the five songs featured in the game.
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Post by Alan-P on Aug 13, 2016 18:04:29 GMT
There are a couple of others that are very good, but they only have 5 tracks for some reason. That's because those are the songs from the album that were featured in Guitar hero: Metallica, so the only available AJFA bass tracks actually played by Jason/that are on the album are the ones from the five songs featured in the game. Oh, well I downloaded that video in HD, ripped the audio in 3000kbs WAV and it sounds great on my HD music player. Its defo not a remaster of that shitty and justice for Jason.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2016 6:42:55 GMT
It's not a remaster, no, but it is called AJFJ.... :yawn:
It's not even Jason playing.
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Post by Alan-P on Aug 14, 2016 8:38:51 GMT
It's not a remaster, no, but it is called AJFJ.... :yawn: It's not even Jason playing. They are all called that but not "thee" one. I div nae care who is playing, but it sounds better and that'll do me.
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Post by Alan-P on Aug 19, 2016 16:19:02 GMT
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Post by warhorsewarhead on Aug 19, 2016 20:43:05 GMT
Don't care what anyone says, Justice would be a much more satisfying listen with a meaty bass sound in there. Yes, the album sounds 'different' because of the lack of one, but different does not always mean good. It still would have sounded 'different' with it's inclusion because the structures, riffs, themes and general attitude would still have been there, just with more balls to boot, and how could anyone say that'd be a bad thing? I notice that the bass is certainly noticeable in the subsequent live renditions of Justice songs and never have I heard it said that this detracted from those performances.
Metallica might have gotten shit for cutting their hair and going after Napster, but they seem to have gotten a relatively free pass on cutting one fourth of their band out of an entire album.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2016 20:44:49 GMT
Whenever I hear a fan edit of Justice - they always mix the bass too loud to overcompensate.
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Post by Alan-P on Aug 19, 2016 20:46:18 GMT
Download that link
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Post by jetpacksam on Aug 21, 2016 7:59:01 GMT
Actually, try this one: 30th Anniversary coming up. I'm hoping for, but not expecting, a proper version of this album. It's time this was undone.Please give the unaltered original master tapes to Mr Steve Hoffman and get out of the way.
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Post by Alan-P on Aug 21, 2016 8:57:38 GMT
If they add bass on the upcoming remaster it would be a licence to print money. They would be stupid not to.
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Post by Alan-P on Aug 21, 2016 8:59:30 GMT
Saying that, not adding the bass to the remaster would be on the same level of wackiness as George Lucas not releasing the OT theatrical versions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 9:21:11 GMT
The only option I can see them doing is to include a download code for a remixed & remastered version as a "bonus" whilst the 'official' album remains as it was just remastered slightly.
But even then I'd be surprised. They've made it clear over the years that the records are what they are and that's how they will stay.
We shall see, I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 20:57:35 GMT
They removed most of the clipping in the DM remaster...
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Post by jetpacksam on Aug 21, 2016 22:07:54 GMT
They removed most of the clipping in the DM remaster... Wait, they remastered it? Or are you talking about GH III Moderus?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 22:12:24 GMT
There's a new iTunes remaster. It sounds a whole lot better. Check it out.
Just go to iTunes - go to Death Magnetic - and click preview all.
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Post by jetpacksam on Aug 21, 2016 22:39:49 GMT
Sounds like the Vinyl mastering.
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Post by yepsure on Aug 22, 2016 0:31:09 GMT
The only option I can see them doing is to include a download code for a remixed & remastered version as a "bonus" whilst the 'official' album remains as it was just remastered slightly. But even then I'd be surprised. They've made it clear over the years that the records are what they are and that's how they will stay. We shall see, I guess. I don't even think they'll do that. I could be wrong, but I think at best we'll get a disc/vinyl containing alternate mixes of some of the Justice songs, but only if they exist from the original sessions. They won't create new mixes for the boxset/remasters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 5:02:26 GMT
The only option I can see them doing is to include a download code for a remixed & remastered version as a "bonus" whilst the 'official' album remains as it was just remastered slightly. But even then I'd be surprised. They've made it clear over the years that the records are what they are and that's how they will stay. We shall see, I guess. I don't even think they'll do that. I could be wrong, but I think at best we'll get a disc/vinyl containing alternate mixes of some of the Justice songs, but only if they exist from the original sessions. They won't create new mixes for the boxset/remasters. I agree. (On this occasion I was trying to be less resolute than I normally am on this topic)
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Post by Alan-P on Aug 22, 2016 6:39:46 GMT
It all boils down to if they can do it and how much they want or need the money.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 8:56:23 GMT
It all boils down to if they can do it and how much they want or need the money. That's too black and white. AFAIK they have the masters so could. But it's more to do with whether they WANT to do it. And I don't think they do. I think they are off the kindest of 'this is the artistic place we were in and the choices that stemmed from that and to change that would be wrong'. Could be talking bollocks of course!
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Post by Alan-P on Aug 22, 2016 9:13:37 GMT
It all boils down to if they can do it and how much they want or need the money. That's too black and white. AFAIK they have the masters so could. But it's more to do with whether they WANT to do it. And I don't think they do. I think they are off the kindest of 'this is the artistic place we were in and the choices that stemmed from that and to change that would be wrong'. Could be talking bollocks of course! Well they know it would sell like hot cakes so if principle trumps money then that's their call. But it would still be shit to not do it.
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Post by jetpacksam on Aug 22, 2016 9:56:52 GMT
Metallica owns all their stuff outright. Whatever else you think of them, props for that, it very, very, very rarely happens. Hopefully they are caring properly for the tapes, those, along with film stock, are very fragile. They also bought "Johnny Got His Gun" a while back, and bought out Warners share of "Some Kind Of Monster" for 4 million.
This would be my Shortest Straw. If Metallica, assuming they do for "...And Justice For All" what they did for Kill & Ride, does not produce a correction to the {IMO} inJustice done to the greatest album they ever recorded record, On it;s 30th Anniversary, I'm done. Not one more dime, not that they will care. I have purchased every album on release day, and except for S.t Anger hated everything after {and a lot of} "Metallica", "Hardwired" will be the last if they fail on this. I am cautiously/blindly hopeful that because they remastered Kill And Ride {they brought the bass up on those, they sound a bit fuller on the anniversary editions}, that they will do so on "...And Justice For All". We'll see what happens.
P.S. Why do I continue buying albums I know I am probably going to hate? "...And Justice For All" and the Seattle concert I attended on 29 August 1989 earned that, as twisted as that is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 11:55:02 GMT
I just don't understand that logic. At all. Not only does it displays shades of arrogance (my thoughts on how it should sound are more correct than the creators) but it's also incredibly childish(if you don;t do what I think you should do then I'm having a hissy fit and leaving).
Allow me to state the obvious here: no one but the band is in a position to say whether something concerning their music is "wrong" or "right". It is their artistic choice so by that definition it can never be "wrong". There is no "injustice" here - there's just you not liking the sound of an album. And to be honest, if them releasing the album remaster but not remixed (which is the only way you'll get what you want) and not doing what YOU think the should causes you to not like them anymore then that's your fault not theirs. They do what they want to do. You either go with it or don't.
And you haven't since 1991 so really all this would be would be putting you out of your misery.
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Post by jetpacksam on Aug 22, 2016 14:14:16 GMT
No injustice? And no it isn't arrogance, its hearing what the album should have sounded like had they not fucked with it, but again, would have buried Puppets, can't have that. And intentionally turning down bass on an entire album, while correct for the band, is most certainly wrong towards one of it's one members. Actually, I liked St. Anger very much, still do. It;s underrated. Loved Garage Inc., and found it funny that the most alive and passionate they had sounded on vinyl in a few years came on a covers album. Flemming: "I'd love to remix that album. I'm pretty sure the guys who did it [Thompson and Barbiero], I know they would love to mix it again. 'Cause they set it up and made it sound good and then Lars and James came in and f--ked it all up, hahaha." From here
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Post by SicJes on Aug 22, 2016 16:50:00 GMT
The real question is, when they remaster TBA, will they fix the typo "You just stood there creaming" in the booklet. I know this has bugged James since the release.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 18:51:03 GMT
And no it isn't arrogance, its hearing what the album should have sounded like had they not fucked with it It IS! Look at your sentence. I've bolded the pertinent part. I have no problems with people wanted to hear a remixed version with the bass raised. What I have a problem with is the phrasing and ideas that it should have sounded like something else. Which you did. This is you saying that you know better than the artist. This is you saying that the choice the artist made (no matter HOW they arrived at that choice) is wrong. It's you saying that artist's work isn't exactly how it should be (which is how they wanted it to be). It's presumption that you know better. And I hate to break this to you, but you don't. The album sounds EXACTLY the way it SHOULD sound because that is the way the ARTIST wanted it to sound. That's the arrogance - to presume you know better on how someone should represent their art.
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Post by Alan-P on Aug 22, 2016 19:27:16 GMT
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