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Post by ModerusPrime on Jan 31, 2016 21:02:05 GMT
Awesome, he's fucking retarded(look up the definition before coming at me with bullshit about making fun of the mentally handicapped). Congrats. Of course a fair number (and of course, myself included) have said very silly and offensive things in the past. I'm not sure very many people are saying otherwise! Many of us have learnt otherwise, and Mr Phil so appears to know better keeps repeating them, idk why we should sympathise or rush to defend him again. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Certainly we hope that he finally knows that these things are bad! I don't agree with what he said, nor am I defending him for saying it. I think it's extremely hypocritical to answer hate with hate, and instead I choose to answer hate with forgiveness, even if the person may or may not be as forthcoming with genuine regret as they may or may not appear to be. I think what he said was stupid, foolish, hateful, whatever negative word you want to use. I think he should be ashamed of himself for doing it the many times he has. I also believe, and this is MY opinion, that he may finally realize no one is laughing at his jokes. He's man enough to ask to be forgiven and for another chance. How you choose to answer that gives great insight into your character as a human being.
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Post by Jayzon on Jan 31, 2016 21:30:18 GMT
Phil's a pretty decent guy who's said and done some stupid shit. So have I. So have all of you. That's the point I've been trying to make this whole time. I'm not brushing anything off like some people seem to think I am. Phil said and did some stupid shit and was called out because of it. I don't agree with the method of the calling out, because all it's done is turn a lot of people against someone who's done a lot for others, all because he makes stupid mistakes. I'm ethnically mixed. I don't get offended when a drunk asshole says something stupid. I don't make videos about it instead of talking face to face. I don't see that as "heroic". That's just me though. Phil genuinely looked fucking pitiful and sad, like, lost, in that video, like he was so ashamed of himself, and instead of being lifted by this community that likes to call itself a "family", he's kicked to the ground and then spat on. Now you've got guys who are even bigger assholes writing shit about the guy when he's down(I'm referring to Tommy Vext, who really has no place to be calling anyone out). Someone made a post about having a friend who burned his autographed cd or something. Awesome, he's fucking retarded(look up the definition before coming at me with bullshit about making fun of the mentally handicapped). Congrats. I don't have a problem with any of you people. I enjoy and welcome diversity and thoughts that don't reflect on my own. What I don't enjoy is the part where someone is ostracized because they aren't circle jerking with everyone else hating on someone. I don't enjoy the part where asshole jokes are made or you're treated like you're just as bad as someone because you're not agreeing with the collective. Perhaps you should all take a moment to reflect how you treat others and how you expect to be treated. That's the most important lesson that should be learned from this whole thing. It's an oldie, but a goodie. Hi Phil, fancy seeing you here! In all seriousness though, I pretty much agree. I don't know Phil's motives for his actions at Dimebash, but somehow I feel it's more about spur-of-the-moment stupidity than pure malice. He's always had a bit of an ego, and this macho bullshit façade he's always hid behind. Maybe it had something to do with that, I don't know. I don't think anyone can claim that they believed Phil Anselmo to be the sharpest pencil in the drawer. But someone doing or saying something stupid or offensive doesn't automatically invalidate everything they've done. To make a comparison, consider the Chris Benoit double murder and suicide case 9 years ago. While I think that what he did to his wife and kid was absolutely disgusting and reprehensible, I can still watch his older matches and enjoy and appreciate his skills. Up until the moment he killed his family, he was (at least to the public eye) a really good guy. And that's how I choose to remember him when I watch his matches. And what Phil did/said was faaaaaaaar less severe. Yes, it was dumb and ignorant, but hey. People make mistakes.
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Post by Bartman on Jan 31, 2016 23:00:14 GMT
I don't agree with what he said, nor am I defending him for saying it. I think it's extremely hypocritical to answer hate with hate, and instead I choose to answer hate with forgiveness, even if the person may or may not be as forthcoming with genuine regret as they may or may not appear to be. I think what he said was stupid, foolish, hateful, whatever negative word you want to use. I think he should be ashamed of himself for doing it the many times he has. I also believe, and this is MY opinion, that he may finally realize no one is laughing at his jokes. He's man enough to ask to be forgiven and for another chance. How you choose to answer that gives great insight into your character as a human being. Oh, I don't hate him or anything! I think what he's said and done and (more importantly) keeps saying is terrible. It keeps happening and tbh I've lost interest in giving him the benefit of the doubt. He's apologised (again) and ultimately all you really could do is take his word for it. That said, he is certainly deserving of much (if not all of) the scorn and ridicule he's receiving because this is not his first time and because of his position within society. As I've said, I don't hate him or anything but he certainly isn't endearing himself to me either. Idk what kind of remark you were trying to make r.e. my character but I certainly do have a problem with fascism and with people who endorse it (obvs) or use its slogans/gesturesto be cool or edgy. Were this a one-off I legitmately wouldn't care nor would it bother me too much but as it happens it isn't and ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ is my attitude toward his plea for 'forgiveness', it really is not hard to not do or say those things deliberately. (Note: I'm still going to listen to Down and Arson Anthem because principles are only skin deep, eh!)
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Post by ModerusPrime on Jan 31, 2016 23:36:05 GMT
I was speaking in general, not directly at you. You're quoted because it continues the narrative.
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Post by Bartman on Feb 1, 2016 19:39:29 GMT
Proud to be part of the narrative of "people who think 'people who keep saying offensive/racist things and apologising then continue to do stupid things apologies' aren't really worth taking seriously", tbf.
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Post by waunakonor on Feb 1, 2016 20:16:43 GMT
Yeah, this wasn't an isolated incident. He's said lots of things like this before; he was just acting sad because this time he got caught. I doubt anything's changed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 21:01:52 GMT
Yea most people aren't answering Phil with hate, they're calling a moron a moron and saying they don't wish to deal with said moron. That isn't hate in my book, I don't wish him any ill will, and if he has drug issues I hope he works on that. I also still think he's a moron who should be called a moron.
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Post by Alan-P on Feb 1, 2016 22:15:58 GMT
I'm just disappointed.
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Post by waunakonor on Feb 1, 2016 23:24:56 GMT
Well now I'm sure he feels really bad.
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Post by Bartman on Feb 2, 2016 15:13:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 18:14:15 GMT
The Phil Anselmo-fiasco is a prime example as to why it's wise for people to separate the art from the artist.
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Post by Alan-P on Feb 2, 2016 18:18:13 GMT
The Phil Anselmo-fiasco is a prime example as to why I think it's wise for people to separate the art from the artist. Totally Except Paradise Lost. Those pricks acted up when I was assisting them, so I won't support them. No real loss, they have been shit after Draconian Times.
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Post by iamahab on Feb 2, 2016 18:34:38 GMT
Really ? What did Paradise Lost do ? I've heard they're sound although Nick Holmes is supposed to be a bit dry. Their last album was their best since Draconian Times imo.
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Post by Alan-P on Feb 2, 2016 18:37:44 GMT
I was sorting them some new amps and they were just acting up and being rude when I was showing them how they work. So I just tossed them the guitar and told them to get on with it and went to lunch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 18:41:55 GMT
The Phil Anselmo-fiasco is a prime example as to why I think it's wise for people to separate the art from the artist. Totally Except Paradise Lost. Those pricks acted up when I was assisting them, so I won't support them. No real loss, they have been shit after Draconian Times. In a situation such as that, I can see how the separation would be difficult.
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Post by Bartman on Feb 2, 2016 19:45:47 GMT
Revelations about the past life of Mr Alan-P here! The Phil Anselmo-fiasco is a prime example as to why it's wise for people to separate the art from the artist. tbf, Phil's music doesn't have any sort of #problematic overtones. I mean if he was actively propgating Nazi or white supremacist ideology then perhaps it would be harder.
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Post by DaJester on Feb 2, 2016 19:54:14 GMT
If Phil had tried to put some racial messages into Pantera lyrics, the Abbotts might have had a talk with him about it.
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Post by Alan-P on Feb 2, 2016 20:34:11 GMT
Revelations about the past life of Mr Alan-P here! Yeah I've been around a bit...
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Post by Bartman on Feb 2, 2016 20:45:59 GMT
Now you're a metallica forum admin, what a story!
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Post by Alan-P on Feb 2, 2016 20:52:09 GMT
Yep, does it get any better?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 21:20:14 GMT
Revelations about the past life of Mr Alan-P here! The Phil Anselmo-fiasco is a prime example as to why it's wise for people to separate the art from the artist. tbf, Phil's music doesn't have any sort of #problematic overtones. I mean if he was actively propgating Nazi or white supremacist ideology then perhaps it would be harder. Definitely. From what I can tell, none of Phil's lyrics have ever suggested that he is racist, white supremacist or anything of the like. I mean, "No Good (Attack The Radical)" is basically about Phil's opinion regarding the conflict between blacks and whites that was created not only as a result of racism, but also as a result of how deep such savagery is sewn into the fabric of human nature. Of course, some would say that his recent actions contradict the message he was trying to convey in that song, understandably so.
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Post by ModerusPrime on Feb 2, 2016 21:39:01 GMT
If Phil had tried to put some racial messages into Pantera lyrics, the Abbotts might have had a talk with him about it. Sure they wouldn't.
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Post by DaJester on Feb 2, 2016 21:47:45 GMT
If Phil had tried to put some racial messages into Pantera lyrics, the Abbotts might have had a talk with him about it. Sure they wouldn't. Are you saying they would have allowed basically anything lyrically?
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Post by ModerusPrime on Feb 2, 2016 22:35:48 GMT
Are you saying they would have allowed basically anything lyrically? I'm saying that's not how it worked and that they didn't have total control over the entire process to begin with. Do you truly believe he had to run every lyric by Dime and Vinnie and make sure it was ok?
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Post by forgotten in space on Feb 2, 2016 22:46:55 GMT
The Phil Anselmo-fiasco is a prime example as to why I think it's wise for people to separate the art from the artist. Totally Except Paradise Lost. Those pricks acted up when I was assisting them, so I won't support them. No real loss, they have been shit after Draconian Times. Everything after the self.titled has been class.
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Post by Bartman on Feb 2, 2016 22:53:33 GMT
tbf it's always nice to have a look at what your lyricist is writing once in a while.
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Post by DaJester on Feb 2, 2016 23:34:09 GMT
Are you saying they would have allowed basically anything lyrically? I'm saying that's not how it worked and that they didn't have total control over the entire process to begin with. Do you truly believe he had to run every lyric by Dime and Vinnie and make sure it was ok? I'm not saying that Phil or Rex had to get the approval stamp for their work, I'm just saying that perhaps in the recording process, someone might have said to Phil that "dude, that's out of line" if there was some obvious racial bs in his lyrics. And does any of us here really know how things worked in Pantera...
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Post by soulcrusher on Feb 3, 2016 5:28:49 GMT
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Post by Kimbo on Feb 3, 2016 9:28:32 GMT
Revelations about the past life of Mr Alan-P here! Yeah I've been around a bit... I knew it, you cheap whore
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 12:52:13 GMT
I'm pretty sure Down wasn't a racist band but i'm starting to wonder about Pantera....
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