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Post by ford71V8 on May 6, 2016 1:37:18 GMT
How much of a brood do you have Ford? We have 5. A few friends have just had babies in the last year or 2, and another couple have just shared their pics of a 12week pregnancy. Makes you want to do it again, but its all over for us so just enjoying our youngest as much as we can before he doesn't want anything to so with us  |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2016 2:07:55 GMT
That's another thing, get ready to start making friends that have kids even if you don't like them.
It's happened to me.
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Post by Engel on May 6, 2016 5:23:38 GMT
How much of a brood do you have Ford? We have 5. A few friends have just had babies in the last year or 2, and another couple have just shared their pics of a 12week pregnancy. Makes you want to do it again, but its all over for us so just enjoying our youngest as much as we can before he doesn't want anything to so with us 5? busy man :p 2 for me and all grown up, doing me proud. I guess my job and being surrounded by lil critters every day means I don't really miss an army of them running around the house :) |
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Post by Alan-P on May 6, 2016 9:36:55 GMT
If you value your freedom, don't! |
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Post by majako73 on May 6, 2016 14:12:00 GMT
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Post by SicJes on May 30, 2016 10:13:20 GMT
Oh God, been up the past few days with my pukey kids. Half digested strawberries everywhere. So gross, I just want to toss all the sheets into an incinerator. I want some sleep so bad right now. (And pushing Bob the Builder's crew off a cliff would be nice right about now too.)
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Post by archstanton on May 30, 2016 10:57:53 GMT
Freya's 16 months now. Sleeping through the night better, though not completely reliably. Walking for the last 6 weeks or so (she shuffled around in kneeling position for a few months, which she could do at a pace that lessened her incentive for walking). Getting lots of words now, though many of them are probably only obvious to us. Health is great, though still can't handle any dairy. Not a huge problem for now as it's easy to control what she eats most of the time, but hopefully she grows out of it, most kids do.
Baby 2 due in October... dun dun dunnn!
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Post by flibblesh on May 30, 2016 11:18:08 GMT
Kid number 2, Luca, is nicknamed "Luca Puka". Our first kid was sick maybe three times in her first year of life, this one has made me change our sheets twice just last night.
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Post by ford71V8 on May 31, 2016 0:24:02 GMT
Baby 2 due in October... dun dun dunnn! Congrats! And good for you for already having a name ready. Nice and simple, no confusion. |
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Post by SicJes on May 31, 2016 5:45:27 GMT
Having a kid in October is awesome, you can throw some crazy Halloween themed birthday parties at some point when they're a bit older.
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Post by General Smithers on May 31, 2016 7:34:34 GMT
Keep ya PECKER in ya PANTS Archie! Nobody needs more than one child! The world is already over populated.
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Post by yepsure on May 31, 2016 10:48:25 GMT
I have some advice for the parents in this thread - if you take your kid to the zoo, don't let it climb into a gorilla enclosure.
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Post by flibblesh on May 31, 2016 12:46:17 GMT
I have some advice for the parents in this thread - if you take your kid to the zoo, don't let it climb into a gorilla enclosure. I've argued with people on Reddit about this, the zoo was set up in such a shit way that a toddler could pretty much walk into the enclosure, and the kid traveled 4 foot to get into it. A toddler would do that in a second, I don't care how many people claim to be "The perfectest parent ever, I'd never let this happen, not even once", it can happen to anyone. It's unfortunate the timing that it happened, but this kind of thing happens to every single parent that already has lived, and every parent in future. I do not fault the parents because it is completely unreasonable to expect them to watch their kid for every single second that they are there. |
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Post by yepsure on May 31, 2016 20:49:13 GMT
I have some advice for the parents in this thread - if you take your kid to the zoo, don't let it climb into a gorilla enclosure. I've argued with people on Reddit about this, the zoo was set up in such a shit way that a toddler could pretty much walk into the enclosure Yet this is the only time it's happened in it's 38 year history. |
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Post by trailmix on May 31, 2016 21:56:16 GMT
I have some advice for the parents in this thread - if you take your kid to the zoo, don't let it climb into a gorilla enclosure. I've argued with people on Reddit about this, the zoo was set up in such a shit way that a toddler could pretty much walk into the enclosure, and the kid traveled 4 foot to get into it. A toddler would do that in a second, I don't care how many people claim to be "The perfectest parent ever, I'd never let this happen, not even once", it can happen to anyone. It's unfortunate the timing that it happened, but this kind of thing happens to every single parent that already has lived, and every parent in future. I do not fault the parents because it is completely unreasonable to expect them to watch their kid for every single second that they are there. I 100% agree with you, especially that last bit. My lad is only 9 months old and we've had a handful of times where things could of gone wrong, just because you turn your head for a second. Seems like people are jumping on the Hate Train (sorry  ) just for the sake of it. It doesn't help when dickheads with a platform like Ricky Gervais feel the need to throw in their shitty opinions on the matter. It just adds fuel. |
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Post by yepsure on Jun 1, 2016 2:34:13 GMT
I've argued with people on Reddit about this, the zoo was set up in such a shit way that a toddler could pretty much walk into the enclosure, and the kid traveled 4 foot to get into it. A toddler would do that in a second, I don't care how many people claim to be "The perfectest parent ever, I'd never let this happen, not even once", it can happen to anyone. It's unfortunate the timing that it happened, but this kind of thing happens to every single parent that already has lived, and every parent in future. I do not fault the parents because it is completely unreasonable to expect them to watch their kid for every single second that they are there. I 100% agree with you, especially that last bit. My lad is only 9 months old and we've had a handful of times where things could of gone wrong, just because you turn your head for a second. Seems like people are jumping on the Hate Train (sorry ) just for the sake of it. It doesn't help when dickheads with a platform like Ricky Gervais feel the need to throw in their shitty opinions on the matter. It just adds fuel. It's not a "hate train" but simple logic. If you take the emotion out of it and look at it logically it makes sense. The child's actions resulted it being contained in a gorilla enclosure with a gorilla, this ultimately led to the gorillas death. An undeveloped child cannot be held accountable for its actions - the accountability sits with the child's parent, guardian or primary carer. Therefore, the the parent is accountable for their child getting contained in a gorilla enclosure and the death of the gorilla. If it was an adult that went into a gorilla enclosure resulting in the death of the gorilla, everyone would be calling the adult an idiot, and the person would probably get sued for loss of earnings by the Zoo. |
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Post by SicJes on Jun 1, 2016 3:36:50 GMT
My 4 year old boy is the kind of kid who would climb into a gorilla cage if he got a chance to without hesitation. I know my kid is like that and I keep him so guarded if we are out at the zoo or something. But, I've still had some close calls. I blame the parents for not paying attention because if that happened to me, I would be blaming myself as well. The guilt I feel when my kids get hurt under my watch is tremendous. I also blame the zoo. There was obviously a flaw in their security.
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Post by trailmix on Jun 1, 2016 4:00:43 GMT
Of course the parents will feel like shit. It's a terrible thing to happen, and yes, technically they are responsible. But if it's possible for a Kid to jump in with a Gorilla in a matter of seconds, then the zoo is at fault.
Simple Logic - kids will do stupid shit. Short of chaining the child to the parent, it isn't always possible to stop some of the things they do. And it's the people calling for the parents to be shot instead of the gorilla that need to take the emotion out of it. A gorilla could have killed a child, yep lets shoot the parents. Problem solved.
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Post by yepsure on Jun 1, 2016 4:34:17 GMT
Of course the parents will feel like shit. It's a terrible thing to happen, and yes, technically they are responsible. But if it's possible for a Kid to jump in with a Gorilla in a matter of seconds, then the zoo is at fault. Simple Logic - kids will do stupid shit. Short of chaining the child to the parent, it isn't always possible to stop some of the things they do. And it's the people calling for the parents to be shot instead of the gorilla that need to take the emotion out of it. A gorilla could have killed a child, yep lets shoot the parents. Problem solved. The main purpose of enclosures at Zoos is to keep the animals in, not keep stupid humans out. The barrier has been 100% effective at what it was designed to do. I agree with the Zoo's decision to shoot the gorilla, they had no choice given the situation. It's just that the situation should never have happened and was due to the mistake of the parent. If the parent took their eyes off their child and it ran into oncoming traffic - the parent would be accountable. If the parent took their eyes off their child and drowned in their pool or at the beach - the parent would be accountable. It an adult climbed into the Zoo enclosure, the adult would be accountable. Simple logic - kids will do stupid shit. There're a lot things in the world that can hurt kids. It's the parents job to teach them not to do stupid shit and to keep him safe. |
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Post by trailmix on Jun 1, 2016 4:44:36 GMT
You don't think that child proofing an enclosure at a family orientated attraction for a potentially dangerous animal isn't part of it's purpose? There's probably no point in still arguing. Agree to disagree.. |
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Post by Mob on Jun 1, 2016 7:25:25 GMT
well on the gorilla topic i don't understand why they didn't tranquilized it? i feel bad for the kid and the kid's parent but i think sitting here and trying to figure out who to blame is pointless, we don't know the parents and we don't know the kid nor what actually happened that led to this.
some parents are very neglecting of their children and yet sometimes the kid will get lucky let's say
and some might be very very protective and yet accidents will happen
the thing is, from what i know, is that you can never predict what the kid "will" do and no matter how careful and protective a kid will always find a way out to make trouble, also depending on how much the kid is into trouble making in the first place.
so i don't see myself pointing my finger to anyone here
on topic, i'm not a fan of kids, and i don't see myself as a mother, in fact it scares the hell out of me, yet this topic has been discussed with my partner and i guess if we managed to stay together, it should be something that i will need to think about it seriously. I have mixed feelings about it considering how much he is looking forward to it.
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Post by yepsure on Jun 1, 2016 7:47:13 GMT
You don't think that child proofing an enclosure at a family orientated attraction for a potentially dangerous animal isn't part of it's purpose? There's probably no point in still arguing. Agree to disagree.. No I agree, the Zoo has many reasons why an enclosure should be as secure as possible. The tough part is getting the balance between safety and freedom for the animal just right. In this case - if accountability needs to assigned to someone, it should be the parent. As mentioned in this thread by several people, it's normal to take your eyes off your child for a few moments, doing so doesn't make you a bad person/parent, but in this case, the parent made the decision to stop watching their child long enough for it to come into a dangerous situation. This was a mistake made the parent that they should accept and take full responsibility for that mistake. If I was the manager of the Zoo, I would be devestated and angry that one of my prized and loved animals had to be killed, that the safety of my zoo is being called into question, that the safety of all zoos have been called into question, and that my zoo will now lose customers and support, all because of one persons mistake. I would be taking legal action against the person who is accountable for causing these events - the parent. |
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Post by SicJes on Jun 1, 2016 11:24:00 GMT
Kid probably wanted to take a selfie with the gorilla, Mom was probably was probably to busy taking selfies herself to notice.
Last summer I took my kids to the fair. My boy was on one of those little airplane spinning rides. When the ride was done, the parents were let in to get their kids off, but, the ride jockey already was going around and unstrapping the kids. It took about 10 seconds for my son to climb out on his own, disappear in the crowd of children since it was night and dark, then end up behind the control station where he started pushing buttons to reactivate the ride. It could have injured or killed a bunch of kids and parents who were dismounting if there wasn't a safety feature in the control switch which meant you had to turn 2 switches at the same time to get the ride going again. I was up that barrier and ramp so fast to stop him after I spotted him. Shit happens.
All the examples mentioned above about running into the road, drowning etc are on point. Parents need to watch their kids better. I see parents who just let their kid run ahead of them on the street while they talk with a friend. A car could pull out of a drive way, the kid might run up to a random dog that could chew them up, or some jerk on his bicycle could be speeding down the side walk. Its not just the cars in the street that are a danger.
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Post by ford71V8 on Jun 2, 2016 0:46:33 GMT
well on the gorilla topic i don't understand why they didn't tranquilized it? This would have been due to the delay in the tranquilizer taking affect. From footage I saw, I would have been freaking the fuck out if I was watching my young child be dragged thru water at speed by a strong beast that has no understanding of what it is potentially doing. It needed to end immediately so a tranquilizer was not really an option at that point. Its just a shame, and I feel bad for the zoo. And gorilla I guess, he also did nothing wrong. I can understand people wanting to blame someone, and if you have to then the parent(s) are the obvious target. But sometimes things just happen. I regret a bad judgement involving my son when he was about 3. Nowhere near life threatening but still in hindsight a stupid thing to do and 7 years later still recall it and cringe. Lesson learnt, move on. Unfortunately here with the gorilla, the result is a controversial death so opinions were always gonna be put forward. |
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Post by SicJes on Jun 2, 2016 0:55:24 GMT
Come with it now Ford, spill the beans. You get him spacers in his ears or something?
Oh, and about the tranquilizer vrs bullets, what kind of gun is used to take down a gorilla? And I guess they went for a head shot, imagine if they hit the kid?
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Post by ford71V8 on Jun 2, 2016 5:07:56 GMT
Come with it now Ford, spill the beans. You get him spacers in his ears or something? "You get him spacers in his ears or something? " ha, no. Still struggling with the daughters stupid tattoo. It was about his ears though. I stupidly decided that I wouldn't force him to use earplugs while standing next to a start-up of a drag car. This thing had straight pipes and crackled like you wouldn't believe. And it was indoors. He freaked and wanted Mummy. He's been to see lots of similar stuff since including top-fuelers and has no issue with loud cars. Loves cruising in mine. So all good. Thankfully. I felt like a complete idiot at the time though, what was I thinking?! |
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Post by archstanton on Jun 2, 2016 8:46:27 GMT
The main purpose of enclosures at Zoos is to keep the animals in, not keep stupid humans out. The barrier has been 100% effective at what it was designed to do. Between children, morons, deranged people, extreme animal rights activists etc., I'd suggest that keeping humans out should be a significant consideration when designing animal enclosures. (And I know you agreed to that point in next quote). There's no reason for there to be a trade-off between safety and the animal's freedom. Whatever freedom the animal is allowed is within the enclosure, there is no scope for animal freedom regarding the boundary. More often the trade-off made is between safety and the public's ability to view the animal. I'd also point out that while parents are obviously responsible for keeping their children out of harm's way, it is not only impossible (on a practical level) to supervise their every act and moment, it's not even desirable. From a relatively early age kids need some scope to be independent, explore, and make mistakes. That said, anywhere in the vicinity of (a) crowds of people and (b) potentially dangerous animals, is a good place to be on fairly high alert. As usual, it's the extreme reactions that seem to dominate on many parts of the internet. Saying, "yes, the parents should have been more careful, but y'know, it only takes a few seconds for a kid to get in trouble" and "the zoo is also to blame for not having a secure enclosure" is far too moderate for gobshites who prefer to take the "THE PARENTS SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOT!!" or "SHOULDA LET THE KID DIE, WE HAVE PLENTY OF KIDS BUT GORILLAS ARE ENDANGERED!!" approach. I have a facebook friend (of metbb origin) who is normally fairly sensible but has been posting to the effect that the gorilla was "murdered" while gently holding hands with and protecting the child - this supported by a video which has been obviously edited to cut out the part where the animal dragged the boy by one arm, through the water, along the concrete floor of the enclosure. |
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Post by yepsure on Jun 2, 2016 10:12:59 GMT
Well said, and agree, the Internet reaction has been ridiculous.
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Post by flibblesh on Jun 2, 2016 12:47:18 GMT
Kid probably wanted to take a selfie with the gorilla, Mom was probably was probably to busy taking selfies herself to notice. Last summer I took my kids to the fair. My boy was on one of those little airplane spinning rides. When the ride was done, the parents were let in to get their kids off, but, the ride jockey already was going around and unstrapping the kids. It took about 10 seconds for my son to climb out on his own, disappear in the crowd of children since it was night and dark, then end up behind the control station where he started pushing buttons to reactivate the ride. It could have injured or killed a bunch of kids and parents who were dismounting if there wasn't a safety feature in the control switch which meant you had to turn 2 switches at the same time to get the ride going again. I was up that barrier and ramp so fast to stop him after I spotted him. Shit happens. All the examples mentioned above about running into the road, drowning etc are on point. Parents need to watch their kids better. I see parents who just let their kid run ahead of them on the street while they talk with a friend. A car could pull out of a drive way, the kid might run up to a random dog that could chew them up, or some jerk on his bicycle could be speeding down the side walk. Its not just the cars in the street that are a danger. Maybe I've missed the point of your post, but unless you're outing yourself as a bad parent, you just gave an example of how easily something can happen in an environment where kids can get hurt, despite parents being careful. |
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Post by SicJes on Jun 2, 2016 13:52:49 GMT
No, I'm outing myself as a parent who cannot always control a situation. Believe me when I say that as soon as that ride was starting, moving and finished, I had my eyes on my child for those 5 minutes. The only time I lost track of him was for those ten seconds, and for those ten seconds I was scanning the entire group of kids until I spotted him. If I didn't things could have ended bad. I blame the ride jockey, who shouldn't be unclipping little kids before their parents (in my case my wife) are with their kids. But they just want to load that ride up ASAP and get it going again for more money.
All it is takes is ten seconds, if we are at the zoo, my kid is by my side and is holding my hand. Don't know the full details of this kid before he climbed in, he's just lucky to be alive.
Shit happens, things are not always in our control, but as a parent, it is up to us to be in control 100% of the time that we can.
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) just for the sake of it. It doesn't help when dickheads with a platform like Ricky Gervais feel the need to throw in their shitty opinions on the matter. It just adds fuel.