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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 23:07:59 GMT
When James says "It's time for some old stuff" when they play live and you realize that could be every song they have recorded at this point.
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Post by lightning master on May 21, 2016 23:17:12 GMT
When James says "It's time for some old stuff" when they play live and you realize that could be every song they have recorded at this point.  Lords of summer too? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 23:23:05 GMT
When James says "It's time for some old stuff" when they play live and you realize that could be every song they have recorded at this point. Lords of summer too? ILLUMINATION BRIGHT WERE PLAYING ALL OLD SONGS TONIGHT |
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Post by yepsure on May 21, 2016 23:37:50 GMT
But isn't Metallica's situation pretty lame right now? When was the last time they did something that really captured people's attention? When was the last time we heard new Metallica music? More than one track? Their past accomplishments are amazing, but the last 10 years or so... not so much. Do you disagree? No. 2013. 2011. Yes. |
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Post by DaJester on May 22, 2016 12:04:14 GMT
But isn't Metallica's situation pretty lame right now? When was the last time they did something that really captured people's attention? When was the last time we heard new Metallica music? More than one track? Their past accomplishments are amazing, but the last 10 years or so... not so much. Do you disagree? No. 2013. 2011. Yes. Really? A complete flop movie... An album that wasn't really a Metallica record, but a collaboration. So you think the last decade has been as amazing as their earlier career? |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 14:56:08 GMT
Actually Glastonbury was the last thing I remember being a huge deal.
Well really The Night Before had hundreds of thousands in person and online watching. So unless that many people is magically "not catching attention," then Glastonbury.
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Post by Kimbo on May 22, 2016 19:21:00 GMT
Really? A complete flop movie... An album that wasn't really a Metallica record, but a collaboration. So you think the last decade has been as amazing as their earlier career? You beat HR by miles, and that's quite the accomplishment |
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Post by yepsure on May 22, 2016 22:20:56 GMT
Really? A complete flop movie... An album that wasn't really a Metallica record, but a collaboration. So you think the last decade has been as amazing as their earlier career? Yes, really. 2013 was Soundwave, it was a live peak. Hearing Hetfield's awesome vocals way they played that first show was amazing. Just like in 2012 when we heard the vocals on their first performance of The Struggle Within. You asked when the last time we heard more than one track of new Metallica music. The answer is 2011. You didn't ask if the last decade was "as amazing as their earlier career", you asked if it has been amazing. I said yes. It's been a really exciting time to be a fan of the band, especially if you're a long term one. In the last decade we've seen the band transform from one that was afraid of their past, to one that completely embraces and celebrates it. We've had Kill 'Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppets and the Black album performed in full. We've had some amazing setlist. We've seen them play previously ignored songs like the Frayed Ends of Sanity and Unforgiven 2. And now two amazing deluxe reissues loaded with heaps of fantastic material. To me, that's way more "amazing" then any new album could be. I'm a fan of Metallica because of the music that they have created, not for music that they might create in the future. |
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Post by DaJester on May 22, 2016 22:50:32 GMT
You didn't ask if the last decade was "as amazing as their earlier career", you asked if it has been amazing. I said yes. It's been a really exciting time to be a fan of the band, especially if you're a long term one. In the last decade we've seen the band transform from one that was afraid of their past, to one that completely embraces and celebrates it. We've had Kill 'Em All, Ride The Lightning, Master of Puppets and the Black album performed in full. We've had some amazing setlist. We've seen them play previously ignored songs like the Frayed Ends of Sanity and Unforgiven 2. And now two amazing deluxe reissues loaded with heaps of fantastic material. amazing... as amazing as earlier career... amazing... That's all about getting stuck with words. Maybe the language barrier is playing tricks. But we agree on one thing: yepsure - "I'm a fan of Metallica because of the music that they have created, not for music that they might create in the future." |
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Post by majako73 on May 23, 2016 14:39:55 GMT
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Word. There is plenty, plenty Metallica to enjoy right now.
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Post by Jayzon on May 23, 2016 19:52:22 GMT
Random Metallica thought: The official Metallica Facebook page posted a message about "Until It Sleeps" video being 20 years old today. That basically means that I've been a Metallica fan for 20 years, as it was pretty much love at first sight when I first saw that video. Soon after, the video for "King Nothing" was released and further pushed me down the Metallica rabbit hole.
Twenty years. Geez.
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Post by Kimbo on May 24, 2016 7:10:25 GMT
Yeah, it's freakishly long time. I feel old
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Post by Jayzon on May 24, 2016 7:18:21 GMT
Load is much older than Metallica was when Load came out.
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Post by yepsure on May 24, 2016 8:07:51 GMT
Load is much older than Metallica was when Load came out. Yep, Load is closer to Kill Em All than it is to 2016. It's crazy to think that there were 10 years between Master of Puppets and Load, and 13 years between St. Anger and today. St. Anger feels like it was maybe 5 years ago? And they are basically the same band and people as they were then, where's the transformation between Puppets and Load was huge. |
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Post by Zalman on May 24, 2016 8:18:18 GMT
The St. Anger and Death Magnetic eras feel so far apart. They were night and day. And yet, they were "only" five years apart, and we're now approaching eight years since Death Magnetic.
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Post by Alan-P on May 24, 2016 8:26:26 GMT
The St. Anger and Death Magnetic eras feel so far apart. They were night and day. And yet, they were "only" five years apart, and we're now approaching eight years since Death Magnetic. I look at other bands and their output in the same time frame, give or take a year or so, and I think what the fuck are they playing at? I will be amazed if this album is any good. |
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Post by Zalman on May 24, 2016 8:30:38 GMT
The St. Anger and Death Magnetic eras feel so far apart. They were night and day. And yet, they were "only" five years apart, and we're now approaching eight years since Death Magnetic. I look at other bands and their output in the same time frame, give or take a year or so, and I think what the fuck are they playing at? I will be amazed if this album is any good. I believe it will be good. Like, Death Magnetic-good. But it won't be worth the long wait. |
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Post by Kimbo on May 24, 2016 8:53:38 GMT
There is no "worth the wait" in my book. It's taken way too long time to release whether it's good or not.
If it's DM good I'll be a happy camper
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Post by Jayzon on May 24, 2016 9:07:15 GMT
Yeah, Metallica's next album is nearing "the Chinese Democracy level" in terms of expectations vs. reality. There's just no way the new album will be "good enough" after all this wait. Hell, I even had the same feeling with Death Magnetic.
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Post by Kimbo on May 24, 2016 9:21:38 GMT
I don't think it should be better just because it's taken longer, my expectations doesn't grow the longer it takes, on the contrary.
It's not like it needs to be MOP good just to be relevant, it just needs to be solid. Like Dm... With good production
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 11:00:23 GMT
Why is it people always complain about the music business and artists not having the freedom from corporations to do what they want...then as soon as an artist gets that and works on their own time frame and will, people do nothing but complain about how long it's taking?
Unless everyone here is a music CEO, at which point I apologize for not knowing that insane fact and would like to pledge my support to Big Music.
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Post by SicJes on May 24, 2016 12:53:17 GMT
Is there really this huge outcry for the new album? I mean, journalists asked about it because its their job, we crave it because we are obsessed. But, doesn't like 95% of the fan base not give 2 shits about anything recorded post 91? So is there really an outcry or just some internet over exaggerating? I bet 85% of the people you see at a Metallica show don't even know there working on a new album.
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Post by archstanton on May 24, 2016 13:28:32 GMT
Why is it people always complain about the music business and artists not having the freedom from corporations to do what they want...then as soon as an artist gets that and works on their own time frame and will, people do nothing but complain about how long it's taking? Because people generally assume that one of the things bands like to do is create music? |
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Post by DaJester on May 24, 2016 13:32:53 GMT
Why is it people always complain about the music business and artists not having the freedom from corporations to do what they want...then as soon as an artist gets that and works on their own time frame and will, people do nothing but complain about how long it's taking? 8 years. Isn't it a bit too long of a wait? Really? And yes, I know of Lulu, but that was 5 years ago and not a Metallica album. |
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Post by archstanton on May 24, 2016 13:42:43 GMT
Is there really this huge outcry for the new album? I mean, journalists asked about it because its their job, we crave it because we are obsessed. But, doesn't like 95% of the fan base not give 2 shits about anything recorded post 91? So is there really an outcry or just some internet over exaggerating? I bet 85% of the people you see at a Metallica show don't even know there working on a new album. I agree to some extent. I'm curious about what they come up with at this point, and the whole "new album" saga has been intriguing in an odd "wtf are they doing" kind of way but my heart doesn't exactly skip a beat when I think about the next Metallica album. To me, DM was an "ok" album, but significant only as a way of rehabilitating themselves after St. Anger, and could best have been used as a launchpad for their next album. They talked about doing that fairly quickly, but never followed through for whatever reasons. They are of course free to do what they like, but in terms of being a creative force, I think that might been the best option; in the wake of DM they seemed to have a bit more fire and enthusiasm, which seems to have been dissipated as other events and projects took over. They've been talking a good game about the album for years, but I've never been particularly convinced that their collective heart was in it. But of course, I don't know what is gestating... maybe it'll be fucking amazing. |
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Post by DaJester on May 24, 2016 14:06:55 GMT
If I remember correctly, James said in an interview that he isn't happy with the pace they're releasing music.
Well, you can do something about it James.
Somehow it feels like Lars is the one holding back the whole process.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 15:19:29 GMT
Why is it people always complain about the music business and artists not having the freedom from corporations to do what they want...then as soon as an artist gets that and works on their own time frame and will, people do nothing but complain about how long it's taking? Because people generally assume that one of the things bands like to do is create music? And they have been creating music. So people want an artist to be able to have creative freedom, except only if they agree to be creative at a pace they deem acceptable? So then really we don't want artists to have creative freedom? |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 15:21:13 GMT
If I remember correctly, James said in an interview that he isn't happy with the pace they're releasing music. Well, you can do something about it James. Somehow it feels like Lars is the one holding back the whole process. It feels like Lars is holding it back based on the fact most people like James and don't like Lars. You have 0 proof that Lars has held anything back. The band wanted to do all the side projects, including James. James said that in an interview a while ago, and all of then somewhere along the line have expressed wanting to release things quicker. |
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Post by archstanton on May 24, 2016 19:45:43 GMT
Because people generally assume that one of the things bands like to do is create music? And they have been creating music. So people want an artist to be able to have creative freedom, except only if they agree to be creative at a pace they deem acceptable? So then really we don't want artists to have creative freedom? You can say the latter, or you can just say that people like it when bands they like release albums. Of course some people get overly demanding but in this case the band have contributed to the problem by talking up their enthusiasm for the next album but not producing, and by giving vague and/or contradictory statements. |
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2016 21:07:54 GMT
Who says you can't remain enthusiastic about it over the course of this time though? As far as not delivering, that's entirely based on your own personal view of what delivering is. For many fans being able to see them live at festivals over the past decade is delivering. For others, putting out two epic box sets is delivering. For some Lulu and TTN was delivering.
So I still struggle to find the embarrassing part of not having an album out or the tragic part.
Or to quote a very wise man...prequels suck!
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