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Post by LeeClaire on Jul 19, 2017 19:29:34 GMT
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Post by Guest on Jul 24, 2017 14:35:14 GMT
So what I learned from last night's episode is that Jon shouldn't be ruler of anything but the North. All these Stark men are terrible at playing the Game of Thrones...they're too honorable, too bound by duty. Great qualities if you want to insulate yourself from all the game playing that comes with ruling a kingdom and keep your eye on what really matters, the Walkers in the north. Horrible for almost any other type of leadership. Also, I was reading this theory about the Ice Dragon that many people are speculating is going to happen this season on GOT and it's DO NOT READ AHEAD IF YOU DON'T WANT POSSIBLE SPOILERS!
So, apparently the Ice Dragon that's mentioned numerous times in the book isn't what we all thought it was, a literal ice dragon. Apparently Jon is going to go to East Watch by the Sea this season to try and get proof of the walkers existence to bring Dany to his side, but he's going to get ambushed by the walkers once there. Dany will instantly become aware of his plight somehow (maybe melisandre?) and will fly on Drogon to go up there and save him. While she is fighting the walkers, somehow The Night King will kill Drogon and resurrect him as an ice dragon. The Night King will then ride the dragon and bring down the wall with it's magical icy fire!!!!
Now....this is all speculation and nothing has been verified but it sure sounds like a plausible theory to me!
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Post by Kimbo on Jul 24, 2017 19:27:38 GMT
Well no Stark ever wanted to be king, so.
Cool episode, I hated seeing Pilou Asbæk as Euron, but he is kicking maximum ass in this season.
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Post by Guest on Jul 24, 2017 20:54:10 GMT
Well no Stark ever wanted to be king, so. Cool episode, I hated seeing Pilou Asbæk as Euron, but he is kicking maximum ass in this season. It's almost like there are no real "bad guys" this season. I guess one could categorize Cerci and Euron as the bad guys but Cerci took out the Faith Militant with one fell swoop and Euron is about to give the business to the Sand Snakes....neither of which I'm really mad at. They both pale in comparison to the Ramseys and Joffreys of old.
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Post by LeeClaire on Jul 24, 2017 23:08:26 GMT
That ship battle would have been even better if when the ramp came down with Euron on it Good Ol' JR would have screamed, "Bah gawd! It's Euron Greyjoy!" And then called the rest the battle while having a stroke.
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Post by LeeClaire on Jul 24, 2017 23:10:11 GMT
Well no Stark ever wanted to be king, so. Cool episode, I hated seeing Pilou Asbæk as Euron, but he is kicking maximum ass in this season. It's almost like there are no real "bad guys" this season. I guess one could categorize Cerci and Euron as the bad guys but Cerci took out the Faith Militant with one fell swoop and Euron is about to give the business to the Sand Snakes....neither of which I'm really mad at. They both pale in comparison to the Ramseys and Joffreys of old. Cersei* Why are you always wrong about everything?
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Post by Guest on Jul 24, 2017 23:48:29 GMT
It's almost like there are no real "bad guys" this season. I guess one could categorize Cerci and Euron as the bad guys but Cerci took out the Faith Militant with one fell swoop and Euron is about to give the business to the Sand Snakes....neither of which I'm really mad at. They both pale in comparison to the Ramseys and Joffreys of old. Cersei* Why are you always wrong about everything? Why do you expekt me to always be right about everything?
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Post by Fedryktulu on Jul 26, 2017 18:39:43 GMT
It's almost like there are no real "bad guys" this season. I guess one could categorize Cerci and Euron as the bad guys but Cerci took out the Faith Militant with one fell swoop and Euron is about to give the business to the Sand Snakes....neither of which I'm really mad at. They both pale in comparison to the Ramseys and Joffreys of old. I like it better this way. I didn't like the Ramsay character at all, in part because he felt redundant. One crazy psycopath character was enough for a whole series for me, after that it gets boring and annoying. One of my favorite moments of the series was the battle of Blackwater bay, because you have reasons to want either side to win. That's something that couldn't really be there for the battle of season 6, and that was also lacking in season 4, when they decided to make the wildlings with Tormund to be mindless killers, and introduce the Thenns who are so, so terribly bad that they eat human meat! Look how bad they are!
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Post by Spleen on Jul 29, 2017 14:04:25 GMT
So what I learned from last night's episode is that Jon shouldn't be ruler of anything but the North. All these Stark men are terrible at playing the Game of Thrones...they're too honorable, too bound by duty. Great qualities if you want to insulate yourself from all the game playing that comes with ruling a kingdom and keep your eye on what really matters, the Walkers in the north. Horrible for almost any other type of leadership. Also, I was reading this theory about the Ice Dragon that many people are speculating is going to happen this season on GOT and it's DO NOT READ AHEAD IF YOU DON'T WANT POSSIBLE SPOILERS!
So, apparently the Ice Dragon that's mentioned numerous times in the book isn't what we all thought it was, a literal ice dragon. Apparently Jon is going to go to East Watch by the Sea this season to try and get proof of the walkers existence to bring Dany to his side, but he's going to get ambushed by the walkers once there. Dany will instantly become aware of his plight somehow (maybe melisandre?) and will fly on Drogon to go up there and save him. While she is fighting the walkers, somehow The Night King will kill Drogon and resurrect him as an ice dragon. The Night King will then ride the dragon and bring down the wall with it's magical icy fire!!!!
Now....this is all speculation and nothing has been verified but it sure sounds like a plausible theory to me!
Jon is a war time king. Really, he shouldn't be any kind of king, though. He works much better as a battle commander.
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Post by Spleen on Jul 29, 2017 14:08:45 GMT
SJWs make a bigger stink over race than the fuckin' racists of the world. I wonder what that one writer would say now that Jon's given Sansa control of the entire North.
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Post by LeeClaire on Jul 31, 2017 15:39:30 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2017 16:49:33 GMT
Eh, I can feel them rushing this series to it's end. It feels clumsy. A giant battle got rushed over last night. They pulled the whole, let's narrate over a battle, like it's going to happen...oh wait, it did.
This season so far is a bad indicator of the rest of the series. Rushing the loose ends together. GOT is bringing in record numbers and they decided to shorten the episode count per season? The fuck.
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Post by Guest on Jul 31, 2017 18:18:03 GMT
Eh, I can feel them rushing this series to it's end. It feels clumsy. A giant battle got rushed over last night. They pulled the whole, let's narrate over a battle, like it's going to happen...oh wait, it did. This season so far is a bad indicator of the rest of the series. Rushing the loose ends together. GOT is bringing in record numbers and they decided to shorten the episode count per season? The fuck. Last nights episode was great! I kinda get that rushed feeling you're talking about but I think that's more due to fewer POV characters this season because so many people have been killed off at this point and because you're comparing it to earlier seasons, some of which were pretty drawn out. The last 2 episodes of last season were some of the best TV I've ever seen but we had to slough through tons of filler that season to get to that point. The Tyrells have left the game but what a way to go! The queen of thorn's indeed! The Lanisters, Greyjoys, Starks and Targaryens are the only ones that are left and considering the series is called a song of ice and fire, things don't look good for the Lanisters and Greyjoys.
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Post by Fedryktulu on Jul 31, 2017 20:34:37 GMT
I agree that yesterday's episode was great. There have been some small inconsistencies in this season so far, but I feel that they're really not significant in the way some stupid scenes or developments were in seasons 2 and 4. I didn't really like season 5, and the sixth one felt a bit lacking in some ways. This year, though, I feel the series has regained its quality. Maybe not as much as 1 and 3, but probably I'd rate it about the same as season 4.
Regarding the battles this episode, I didn't think it was necessary to show them. It did at first feel kind of like the battles in the first book that weren't shown in the show, but it wasn't really necessary to show the storming of High Garden. I didn't quite like the idea that they took it quickly because the Tyrell men are weak golden roses. It would've been better to focus on their bannermen turning on them, and maybe some soldiers inside opening the gates.
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Post by yepsure on Jul 31, 2017 22:44:18 GMT
I'm enjoying these episodes so far, but its moving so fast now. Almost too fast, with the writing starting to feel clumsy/cheap at certain moments.
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Post by LeeClaire on Aug 1, 2017 0:34:31 GMT
All of Euron's scenes thus far should have been narrated by Jim Ross. Other than that I think this season has been great.
I liked how they did the two battles with a narrated montage. Both battles seemed to be more a larger force occupying a location than two massive armies battling, so the montage worked.
Olenna Tyrell spitting that hot fire was greatness.
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Post by Guest on Aug 3, 2017 14:43:11 GMT
Something I've noticed, and don't read any further if you don't want anything spoiled.....something I've noticed is that after the first book/season, it seemed like the Starks would be the first family to be wiped out. Just so many of them died. Now that we're closing in on the finale of the series, the Starks are one of the strongest houses left! There's only one Targaryen (weeell two), three Greyjoys (but one can never be king and the other two are mortal enemies), three Lanisters (but one has given up his namesake) and four, proud, non-squabbling Starks left.
I don't think Bran will remain a Stark, in body anyway. His body will die and he will warg out into a tree and we'll finally get to see why those bleeding trees are so special. I think the fact that there's a big one in Winterfell is meaningful somehow and perhaps it will protect them from the white walkers when they make their march down from the wall. Sansa could be a good leader and I think she will end up killing Littlefinger and end up ruling the North. Aryas gonna die, probably by needle and I think Jon and Danny are irreparably tied together and whatever their fates, they'll endure them together.
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Post by LeeClaire on Aug 7, 2017 4:10:44 GMT
Holy sweet happy fuck.
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Post by Spleen on Aug 7, 2017 11:24:09 GMT
Shit got burnt.
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Post by Fedryktulu on Aug 7, 2017 18:48:47 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 23:53:10 GMT
Arya is gonna shank Littlefinger. Unless that's a trick set up of course. Too obvious?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 8:11:52 GMT
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Post by LeeClaire on Aug 9, 2017 15:23:25 GMT
The MRAs on YouTube seem to be really upset recently with Dany being a complex character with more than one personality trait.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 19:44:57 GMT
I've found Dany to be unlikeable for a long time. I agree with those neckbeards. #TeamJaime
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Post by LeeClaire on Aug 10, 2017 2:28:52 GMT
I've found Dany to be unlikeable for a long time. I agree with those neckbeards. #TeamJaime I'd say she's just like most of the other characters and has likable and unlikable traits. The dudes on YouTube seem to be pissed at her because she snapped at Tyrion for his strategy failing, and keeps asking Jon to bend the knee. Both of which are reasonable to me . The comments on the videos for the latest episodes seem to be veering into misogyny territory just because she's a headstrong woman. In a related story: Does Sansa know Jon died? I get the sense she does because he told her about hanging Olly, but I don't remember/know if she knows if actually died.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 4:17:49 GMT
Dany ain't shit without her dragons. Asking Jon to 'bend the knee', which is more than 'bending the knee' isn't really 'reasonable.' He's a king. She's turned into a pretentious 90 lbs little shit. She's not particularly brilliant either.
I think they showed this contrast with even some humor to it, with her cringey intro to Snow, and the funny counter to it.
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Post by LeeClaire on Aug 10, 2017 4:25:30 GMT
Dany ain't shit without her dragons. Asking Jon to 'bend the knee', which is more than 'bending the knee' isn't really 'reasonable.' He's a king. She's turned into a pretentious 90 lbs little shit. She's not particularly brilliant either. I think they showed this contrast with even some humor to it, with her cringey intro to Snow, and the funny counter to it. Well, in her defense, she is the most ppowerful person alive. She's bound to be a little high and mighty, aka, have a complex personality. That intro scene was totally meant to show the contrast between Jon's humility and Dany's egoism. But again, if Dany had remained a perfectly positive Mary Sue her character would have gotten stale. So it's good they they're hinting that she may be going batshit Targareyan with her advisers having to rein her in, and particularly Jon having a calming effect.
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Post by inaudiblewhisper on Aug 10, 2017 7:17:31 GMT
If Jon doesn't pledge to support her aspirations as Queen, why would she pledge to offer up her armies for him? It's a reasonable request because she's otherwise getting nothing out of the deal. Obviously we know she's getting to live by supporting Jon, because the White Walkers are going to fuck shit up, but that's not going to be a reality for her or a going concern until she see's it with her eyes, so it only looks unreasonable to us because we have the luxury of seeing Jon's entire story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 14:49:22 GMT
Obviously in that world, 'bending the knee' means a hell of a lot, that's why Jon Snow, a generally reasonable man, didn't do it. That's, kind of the storytelling point there I reckon.
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Post by inaudiblewhisper on Aug 10, 2017 15:19:09 GMT
Sure, I don't think it's unreasonable for her to ask, nor for him to decline. They both want the same things, but are too stubborn and proud. Jon just seems more noble because his threat isn't just another throne squabble but a fate of humanity fight, which Dany will also be focusing on sooner or later.
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