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Post by Alan-P on Mar 19, 2016 9:14:01 GMT
kotaku.com/sources-sony-is-working-on-a-ps4-5-1765723053Ok u can understand MS doing this to get on the VR train, but PS4 surely is in a safe enough place? Looks like traditional generations are out the window for good if this happens. The tech head says bring it on, the traditionalist in me will miss the anticipation. But I saw this coming as soon as consoles turned into mini PCs...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 12:19:18 GMT
Eh, not sure. Gives me a creepy crawly feeling like the old Sega add ons used to.
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Post by Alan-P on Mar 19, 2016 13:14:37 GMT
Eh, not sure. Gives me a creepy crawly feeling like the old Sega add ons used to. There won't be add ons, will be new consoles
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Post by inaudiblewhisper on Mar 19, 2016 15:21:17 GMT
It makes sense, consoles are practically the only hardware I can think of with rapidly improving technology stunted by a 5-8 year release schedule. It has it's benefits in that you feel secure that your purchase will be relevant for a long while, but it's also a pretty outdated way of doing things. As long as full software compatibility is kept at the very least between the mid-gen updates I wouldn't have a problem with it. If Microsoft do it, Sony won't want to all of a sudden be the weaker console, plus it'll greatly benefit their VR hardware which should preferably be running at 90fps.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 16:52:33 GMT
Eh, not sure. Gives me a creepy crawly feeling like the old Sega add ons used to. There won't be add ons, will be new consoles Yea I followed that, but it's the same vein of "Oh hey you just spent all this money a few years ago, guess what, pay us more for these new shiny things!!!"
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Post by inaudiblewhisper on Mar 19, 2016 17:03:28 GMT
There won't be add ons, will be new consoles Yea I followed that, but it's the same vein of "Oh hey you just spent all this money a few years ago, guess what, pay us more for these new shiny things!!!" But if they get it right, and it seems to be what the rumours point to, you won't be any worse off than you are now. Your original hardware will still last for years. It'll still get dated and perform badly. These things will happen no matter what. But now you'll have the option to upgrade to something that has better performance.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 17:22:03 GMT
But how does that not just make me one of those weirdos who buys a pre-built gaming PC? Why on earth would I tie myself into a structure that's built entirely on buying new pre-built systems?
And for what it's worth, the Sega 32x still played normal Sega games, much like this thing, as well as when they tossed that terrible CD attachment.
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Post by inaudiblewhisper on Mar 19, 2016 17:34:49 GMT
Why on earth would I tie myself into a structure that's built entirely on buying new pre-built systems? I mean... that's what consoles are. The only difference here is the games are forward and backwards compatible and the hardware release schedule is, say, every 3 years rather than every 5-7.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 17:56:10 GMT
Why on earth would I tie myself into a structure that's built entirely on buying new pre-built systems? I mean... that's what consoles are. The only difference here is the games are forward and backwards compatible and the hardware release schedule is, say, every 3 years rather than every 5-7. I disagree. To me this is turning it into a PC, but without the ability to just upgrade components. Instead, now I get to buy the whole rig ever 3 years. Unless there are significant price decreases I won't be on board. If nintendo goes this way then I'll just hold off until they fold and start porting their games on to PC. Worsr case I'll wait for emulators to catch up for console exclusive content.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 18:20:10 GMT
Yo, you're not going have to buy a console every 3 years. The games will still play. I'd imagine at some point, maybe a 8 year mark they have to have a noted requirement given to play new games on newer hardware, depends on how tech advances, but they'll just make the games before then to run with lower specs on older hardware. It'll auto detect.
It's like how they released new consoles all the time last gen with certain changes, those changes now will include better performance for newer, and hopefully older games. The devs could start making games with future performance in mind, so when you go back to play the classics you already bought, you get performance increase.
But, I'm very much over 'console nostalgia'. Buying a new system every 6 years that is supposed to be so different while getting bored with old hardware. Console tech is just catching up to what a PC is, and it doesn't make sense for console cycles to be traditional anymore. Console tradition, as well as the shitty changes they made to consoles last and this gen, is what made me quit consoles in the first place. Just skipped to the chase and went Master Race.
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Post by inaudiblewhisper on Mar 19, 2016 19:01:54 GMT
I mean... that's what consoles are. The only difference here is the games are forward and backwards compatible and the hardware release schedule is, say, every 3 years rather than every 5-7. I disagree. To me this is turning it into a PC, but without the ability to just upgrade components. Instead, now I get to buy the whole rig ever 3 years. Unless there are significant price decreases I won't be on board. Xbox One and PS4 are already extremely close to just being PC's in terms of hardware, but without several benefits (cheap, future proof digital games from any generation, and upgradable hardware). The thing that makes a console a console is that all hardware is set to a specific spec so developers can target it, it is small and affordable and plug-and-play on a TV with ease. Making a PS4.5 wouldn't change any of that, it just allows people who want to upgrade for better performance the ability to do so. It's an additional option without taking anything away. You can refuse to buy it and play the Playstation 4 exactly as you are now for the next 3 years. It's the equivelent of the iPhone 6, iPhone 6S and then iPhone 7. Hardly anybody will buy all 3; there's no mandatory upgrade and they all do the same thing, but the option is there for people to pay more if they want to be on the cutting edge.
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Post by Bartman on Mar 19, 2016 20:11:41 GMT
There won't be add ons, will be new consoles Yea I followed that, but it's the same vein of "Oh hey you just spent all this money a few years ago, guess what, pay us more for these new shiny things!!!"
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Post by R2D2 on Mar 20, 2016 1:27:49 GMT
This is what happens when dummies want more bullshit gimmicks for their consoles like VR.
If 4k was such an issue, they should've waited another year or two to make these consoles. But it wasn't, just some bullshit to get this VR shit off the ground. Can't believe people are actually on board with this idea.
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Post by inaudiblewhisper on Mar 20, 2016 2:12:37 GMT
This is what happens when dummies want more bullshit gimmicks for their consoles like VR. If 4k was such an issue, they should've waited another year or two to make these consoles. But it wasn't, just some bullshit to get this VR shit off the ground. Can't believe people are actually on board with this idea. It's almost as if, unlike you, all of the people who are on board with and incredibly excited about high-end consumer VR have actually tried it and noticed it's fucking incredible.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 2:29:22 GMT
20 years from now, people will remember this generation for VR, because of what it will become. VR is a new medium, PS4/XBO themselves, aren't really. They are souped up PS3s/X360s.
Seriously, people can't be that naive to think VR is 'just a gimmick.' Obviously it's the clunky beginning, but it's gotta start somewhere. Haven't you seen any damn sci fi movies? Welcome to the future, fool.
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Post by inaudiblewhisper on Mar 20, 2016 2:53:16 GMT
20 years from now, people will remember this generation for VR, because of what it will become. VR is a new medium, PS4/XBO themselves, aren't really. They are souped up PS3s/X360s. Seriously, people can't be that naive to think VR is 'just a gimmick.' Obviously it's the clunky beginning, but it's gotta start somewhere. Haven't you seen any damn sci fi movies? Welcome to the future, fool. No you don't understand. Some of the biggest names in gaming like John Carmack (creator of Wolfenstein, Doom, godfather of 3D graphics and literal rocket engineer), Michael Abrash (co-creator of Quake, general genius) and Gabe Newell (you know) as well as a whole host of other huge developers and the overwhelming majority of people that try it are all dummies peddling bullshit because reasons.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 3:59:26 GMT
Good to see you guys aren't being arrogant douches over a piece of head gear at least.
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Post by inaudiblewhisper on Mar 20, 2016 4:26:17 GMT
Sorry for not engaging in a humble discussion with a "lol that thing I haven't tried is a gimmick for dummies" drive by shitpost.
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Post by General Smithers on Mar 20, 2016 8:49:45 GMT
Settle down boys, settle THE FUCK down!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 12:49:51 GMT
Sorry for not engaging in a humble discussion with a "lol that thing I haven't tried is a gimmick for dummies" drive by shitpost. Well they look like a moron. Let the rest of us just understand that and move on, no need to counter with a barrage of posts insisting any of us who don't buy into VR are the idiots or "fools."
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Post by inaudiblewhisper on Mar 20, 2016 14:46:09 GMT
Sorry for not engaging in a humble discussion with a "lol that thing I haven't tried is a gimmick for dummies" drive by shitpost. Well they look like a moron. Let the rest of us just understand that and move on, no need to counter with a barrage of posts insisting any of us who don't buy into VR are the idiots or "fools." It honestly wasn't aimed at you, I've got no problem with you being skeptical about VR. It's posts like "VR sucks you dummies" or "fuck wii casual gamers lol kiddie games" that I have no time for.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 16:21:15 GMT
Well they look like a moron. Let the rest of us just understand that and move on, no need to counter with a barrage of posts insisting any of us who don't buy into VR are the idiots or "fools." It honestly wasn't aimed at you, I've got no problem with you being skeptical about VR. It's posts like "VR sucks you dummies" or "fuck wii casual gamers lol kiddie games" that I have no time for. Well sure, and I'm mostly talking about Sig more than you. As for people that post like that, I just assume their own stupidity will lead to them dying in a fire, and move on with my days.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 18:24:49 GMT
Psst, logan, I as well, was not talking to you.
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Post by Bartman on Mar 20, 2016 19:28:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 21:37:12 GMT
Psst, logan, I as well, was not talking to you. Don't sass me, Sig.
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Post by farshadroger on Mar 21, 2016 12:29:35 GMT
Not a big fan of this really , having a .5 will just complicate things for everyone! developers would have issues creating games as naturally they would want to make games on the more powerful one but then again they are tied to the older technology as well and then we have a split community with 2 very similar console. it just won't work properly and its bad for everyone.
They need to have a 5 years life span to keep everyone happy. no more or less. forcing a console to be a PC won't work , not in my opinion anyway.
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Post by Alan-P on Mar 21, 2016 12:59:25 GMT
Not a big fan of this really , having a .5 will just complicate things for everyone! developers would have issues creating games as naturally they would want to make games on the more powerful one but then again they are tied to the older technology as well and then we have a split community with 2 very similar console. it just won't work properly and its bad for everyone. They need to have a 5 years life span to keep everyone happy. no more or less. forcing a console to be a PC won't work , not in my opinion anyway. I'm on the fence, but would prefer a 4 year cycle. 4 years is a long time. If they are going to stick with the same architecture then they can defer over runs to the next gen. But alas, now PS have announced this model, then i think the interim is going to be the norm going forward. I just hope that they can use resolution/AA etc.. between "gens" to keep everything running fixed on both.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 13:03:14 GMT
For me, one of the few up sides I had left for consoles was thr security in knowing that for the next half decade, this machine will run games designed specifically for it. It's the one thing PC gaming doesn't have. In 5 years my PC could very well be obsolete for games comingout, but in 5 years if they make a NX game, it will be designed to run on that hardware.
That stability and exclusives were really all I had left tying me to a console.
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Post by Alan-P on Mar 21, 2016 13:19:24 GMT
For me, one of the few up sides I had left for consoles was thr security in knowing that for the next half decade, this machine will run games designed specifically for it. It's the one thing PC gaming doesn't have. In 5 years my PC could very well be obsolete for games comingout, but in 5 years if they make a NX game, it will be designed to run on that hardware. That stability and exclusives were really all I had left tying me to a console. The only way this will work is with 100% back/forward compatibility for at least 5 - 6 years
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Post by inaudiblewhisper on Mar 21, 2016 13:58:08 GMT
For me, one of the few up sides I had left for consoles was thr security in knowing that for the next half decade, this machine will run games designed specifically for it. It's the one thing PC gaming doesn't have. In 5 years my PC could very well be obsolete for games comingout, but in 5 years if they make a NX game, it will be designed to run on that hardware. That stability and exclusives were really all I had left tying me to a console. The only way this will work is with 100% back/forward compatibility for at least 5 - 6 years Agreed. There is a right and wrong way to do this. I'm fine with the right way in which every game released works on all hardware for the length of a typical generation, but of course Sony and Microsoft could easily fuck it all up. Developers porting between a PS4 and a PS4.5 should be ultimately trivial though; developers have to support PC's that have thousands of permutations of hardware. They have to port between consoles which can have wildly different hardware. I doubt porting is even the right word, I'd imagine (and hope) PS4 games would automatically work on a PS4.5 just like games that run on a 970 run on a 980 without developers targeting specific cards.
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