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Post by Wolfish on Nov 29, 2022 13:39:56 GMT
The FAQs say they will not be playing any extra headlining shows in the 2023 and 2024 outside of what was announced. Dan said on the other forums that apparently they tried to get us for early 2023 but couldn’t get it done, “fingers crossed for 2025” is the only hope we have to see them in Aus apparently.
Yep, just been reading what I can find on the other forums....2025, previous gigs were 2013 and festival shows....bit shit.
I didnt see Dans comment about trying to get here for 2023. So whats the issue? Where and why does it break down at this point?
No. There are no plans to add additional headlining shows to the schedule for the next two years; the band may make very limited appearances at special events.I take it they may be part of festivals in the 2023-2024 period. So Asia, Africa, Oceania and S. America may get a chance to see them before 2025. |
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Post by Kimbo on Nov 29, 2022 15:07:50 GMT
I love the song!! but the solo sucks. Seems Kirk didn't put any effort in it. The riff is generic and boring. Seems James didn't put any effort in it. The drums are sloppy and boring. Seems Lars didn't put any effort in it. The bassline sounds uninspired. Seems like Rob didn't put any effort in it. The artwork is really ugly and not metal at all. Seems like the artdirector didn't put any effort in it. But I'm not complaining, like I said: I love it!!!! Metallica rulezz!!!  Can't tell if sarcastic or not... Anyways I see a lot of these remarks around the web and I just don't get it. How can you think everything about a song sucks, and then still love it. It's beyond me  |
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Post by Awake on Nov 29, 2022 16:16:44 GMT
I love the song!! but the solo sucks. Seems Kirk didn't put any effort in it. The riff is generic and boring. Seems James didn't put any effort in it. The drums are sloppy and boring. Seems Lars didn't put any effort in it. The bassline sounds uninspired. Seems like Rob didn't put any effort in it. The artwork is really ugly and not metal at all. Seems like the artdirector didn't put any effort in it. But I'm not complaining, like I said: I love it!!!! Metallica rulezz!!! Can't tell if sarcastic or not... Anyways I see a lot of these remarks around the web and I just don't get it. How can you think everything about a song sucks, and then still love it. It's beyond me  The lyrics suck too! What is it? A comercial for skylights? Tallica4eva!!1!11!!!!1!!!  |
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Nov 29, 2022 16:29:38 GMT
I'm just glad they're still making music. It's not really great and it's not really bad. It hits the middle spot for me and that's alright. Very NWOBHM-ish song. I can hear the Thin Lizzy and Tygers of Pan Tang in it for sure. Also for those bashing the album cover and even the arrangements, just remember this:  |
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Post by Ruflux on Nov 29, 2022 16:58:03 GMT
I love the song!! but the solo sucks. Seems Kirk didn't put any effort in it. The riff is generic and boring. Seems James didn't put any effort in it. The drums are sloppy and boring. Seems Lars didn't put any effort in it. The bassline sounds uninspired. Seems like Rob didn't put any effort in it. The artwork is really ugly and not metal at all. Seems like the artdirector didn't put any effort in it. See, I dunno about this part. I've listened to it thrice now, once on basic but decent sounding computer speakers, once in the car, and once on my rather nice headphones but I sure as hell couldn't discern much in the way of bass frequencies on this rather, ah, typical Hetfield/Ulrich production. Certainly not enough to say anything about the bassline. Not a fan that somehow that part of the mix once again regressed from HTSD, and it's not like the bass was super loud there either. Why even bother having a bassist as good as Rob if you're just gonna bury him in the mix anyway? |
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Post by Kimbo on Nov 29, 2022 17:15:20 GMT
I love the song!! but the solo sucks. Seems Kirk didn't put any effort in it. The riff is generic and boring. Seems James didn't put any effort in it. The drums are sloppy and boring. Seems Lars didn't put any effort in it. The bassline sounds uninspired. Seems like Rob didn't put any effort in it. The artwork is really ugly and not metal at all. Seems like the artdirector didn't put any effort in it. See, I dunno about this part. I've listened to it thrice now, once on basic but decent sounding computer speakers, once in the car, and once on my rather nice headphones but I sure as hell couldn't discern much in the way of bass frequencies on this rather, ah, typical Hetfield/Ulrich production. Certainly not enough to say anything about the bassline. Not a fan that somehow that part of the mix once again regressed from HTSD, and it's not like the bass was super loud there either. Why even bother having a bassist as good as Rob if you're just gonna bury him in the mix anyway? I’m still having a hard time accepting this, I don’t understand why he is not way more present. Like ever. Of course if you are gonna write generic stuff like Lux the who cares about bass because there not room for anything interesting in that department. |
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Post by Jayzon on Nov 29, 2022 17:27:42 GMT
I love Hardwired, and I also think that Lux Æterna is pretty damn good. At first I thought it was just ok, but now I've listened to it about 35-40 times, and it's starting to really grow on me. I notice a new thing or two every time, and I catch myself humming the song every now and then. I'm going to love this song live, I already know it.
Also, the cover art was the least bad thing about Lulu. I actually thought it was pretty neat.
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Post by davi84 on Nov 29, 2022 17:32:27 GMT
I’m still having a hard time accepting this, I don’t understand why he is not way more present. Like ever. Of course if you are gonna write generic stuff like Lux the who cares about bass because there not room for anything interesting in that department. Maybe because deep inside Rob is just a luxury hired gun, and Kirk is just a honorable member with zero creative input. In the past 20 years, it seems more and more that Metallica isn't really a true band... It's more like a collaboration between James and Lars, and they just happen to have two VIP employees that they use to perform live and give some second-class interviews. As a bonus, these employees are also very nice guys and don't cause any major trouble while on the road. In the other hand, both Rob and Kirk seem to be pretty fine with all of this, so everything is good for everyone. |
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Post by Kimbo on Nov 29, 2022 17:37:27 GMT
I love Hardwired, and I also think that Lux Æterna is pretty damn good. At first I thought it was just ok, but now I've listened to it about 35-40 times, and it's starting to really grow on me. I notice a new thing or two every time, and I catch myself humming the song every now and then. I'm going to love this song live, I already know it. Also, the cover art was the least bad thing about Lulu. I actually thought it was pretty neat. Man I envy you having that feeling. I pray that we will get a Moth type song, quality wise I mean, I don’t want anymore replicas. |
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Post by Prometheus426 on Nov 29, 2022 17:43:14 GMT
I love Hardwired, and I also think that Lux Æterna is pretty damn good. At first I thought it was just ok, but now I've listened to it about 35-40 times, and it's starting to really grow on me. I notice a new thing or two every time, and I catch myself humming the song every now and then. I'm going to love this song live, I already know it. Also, the cover art was the least bad thing about Lulu. I actually thought it was pretty neat. LUXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ÆTTTTTTTTTTTTERRRRRRNNNNAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Post by Awake on Nov 29, 2022 18:43:25 GMT
I immediatly heard 'It's electric' in there and there's even a reference in the lyrics. 'Lightning the nations' is a possible reference to “Lightning to the Nations”, Diamond Head’s debut album. Diamond Head has been well-documented as being one of early Metallica’s biggest influences. Metallica has released covers of “The Prince”, “Am I Evil?”, “It’s Electric”, and “Helpless”, which are all songs from the “Lightning to the Nations” album.
I also hear some 'Fuel' in there. 'Full speed or nothing' and the 'generic' riff. EVERYBODY loves Fuel.
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Post by Prometheus426 on Nov 29, 2022 18:45:29 GMT
It does sound like a Megadeth song, can't pinpoint which one though
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Post by Ruflux on Nov 29, 2022 19:24:23 GMT
I’m still having a hard time accepting this, I don’t understand why he is not way more present. Like ever. Of course if you are gonna write generic stuff like Lux the who cares about bass because there not room for anything interesting in that department. Maybe because deep inside Rob is just a luxury hired gun, and Kirk is just a honorable member with zero creative input. In the past 20 years, it seems more and more that Metallica isn't really a true band... It's more like a collaboration between James and Lars, and they just happen to have two VIP employees that they use to perform live and give some second-class interviews. As a bonus, these employees are also very nice guys and don't cause any major trouble while on the road. In the other hand, both Rob and Kirk seem to be pretty fine with all of this, so everything is good for everyone. But this doesn't really fit at all if you consider Death Magnetic where the process seemed very collaborative, Kirk and Rob were present throughout and James and Lars went out of their way to include riffs from them in every song so they could get equal credit. HTSD is the first time in a long while where it was just the Hetfield/Ulrich Experience all over again, with Rob just kind of there providing the intro to ManUNkind and Kirk and his riffs notoriously absent. We'll see if the pattern repeats this time and what the excuse will be if it does since I think Portals proves that Kirk has more than his fair share of good riffs and ideas in him, it's just up to Lars and James to utilize them. Having heard the riffs in this new song (Vulturus tier, to be a little mean), I'm not buying for a second Kirk's riffs are all so much worse than what James writes that they can't be used. |
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Post by Kimbo on Nov 29, 2022 19:45:49 GMT
Maybe this is like the song Hw, written in the last second because they needed a straight forward punk rocker.
I really hope Kirk and Rob have writing credits on this album
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Post by ModerusPrime on Nov 29, 2022 20:07:10 GMT
Also for those bashing the album cover and even the arrangements, just remember this: That was Lou Reed. |
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Post by heini92 on Nov 29, 2022 21:18:53 GMT
Maybe this is like the song Hw, written in the last second because they needed a straight forward punk rocker. I really hope Kirk and Rob have writing credits on this album I've seen that point of view a couple of times now. Why? Does Kirk and Rob having writing credits on the next album automatically make it better? What evidence is there of that? Yes, they did on DM - but that was a collaborative effort they forced themselves into, and frankly could have been better. I love DM, but give me songs that are co-written between Hetfield and Ulrich every day of the week. And, yes, I have heard Portals. Endless noodling going nowhere for the most part. Found it really boring. Nothing new or innovative. I really think Hammett has lost it. I hope I'm wrong though. And Rob is just a hired gun at this point and is treated as such. Too bad, but it is what it is. |
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Post by davi84 on Nov 29, 2022 21:29:23 GMT
But this doesn't really fit at all if you consider Death Magnetic where the process seemed very collaborative, Kirk and Rob were present throughout and James and Lars went out of their way to include riffs from them in every song so they could get equal credit. HTSD is the first time in a long while where it was just the Hetfield/Ulrich Experience all over again, with Rob just kind of there providing the intro to ManUNkind and Kirk and his riffs notoriously absent. We'll see if the pattern repeats this time and what the excuse will be if it does since I think Portals proves that Kirk has more than his fair share of good riffs and ideas in him, it's just up to Lars and James to utilize them. Having heard the riffs in this new song (Vulturus tier, to be a little mean), I'm not buying for a second Kirk's riffs are all so much worse than what James writes that they can't be used. Yeah, you're right... So it has been like 15 years, or 12 if you count all the tours and stuff. Still, it's a very long time and I think a bass intro and those solos on HW were just too little. Regarding Portals, I think it's preety cool, but the solos are the worst part of the project. And honestly, I have some doubt about Kirk being the one and only composer in that EP. Seeing him "improvise" during all this years let me thinking maybe much of what I like in Portals may be the work of a good producer (Bob Rock) or the input of the many, many, many guest artists that contributed (using 17 artists for a 4 song EP is kinda nuts). But in the end, I completely agree with you and I don't think Kirk's riffs are all so much worse than what James writes that they can't be used. I hope Rob and Kirk end up having more significant roles this time. |
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Post by Prometheus426 on Nov 29, 2022 22:24:31 GMT
If there's 5-6 good songs on the album, i'll be happy.
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Post by davi84 on Nov 29, 2022 23:01:46 GMT
I've seen that point of view a couple of times now. Why? Does Kirk and Rob having writing credits on the next album automatically make it better? What evidence is there of that? Yes, they did on DM - but that was a collaborative effort they forced themselves into, and frankly could have been better. I love DM, but give me songs that are co-written between Hetfield and Ulrich every day of the week. I think this point of view resonates among some people because the duo Ulrich-Hetfield is starting to sound less and less interesting nowadays. Rob is a phenomenal player and I'm pretty sure he can add a lot to any band he is in, as long as he is asked or allowed to. Regarding Kirk, I also think he has lost it, honestly. But he composed so many great riffs in the past, many of which he doesn't even get the credit he deserves from the fans until this day. I don't know, but maybe I still have some kind of childish hope about him. |
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Post by ford71V8 on Nov 30, 2022 1:38:39 GMT
I watch Justin Hawkins channel way more than I should admit.
His take as he listens to Lux
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Post by spartanmcdoodle on Nov 30, 2022 9:51:36 GMT
I watch Justin Hawkins channel way more than I should admit. His take as he listens to Lux I enjoyed that, I'll have to check out his other vids. He's always been such a likeable character. |
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Post by Wolfish on Nov 30, 2022 13:05:41 GMT
I liked the song Hardwired but Lux Aeterna is better: it does have and old-school NWOBHM sound but in a modern way, it is catchy as hell. And the solo, while not memorable, has been growing on me. Also, James' vocals don't sound forced at all.
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Post by davi84 on Nov 30, 2022 13:10:38 GMT
I'll have to admit, the song is really catchy. I've been humming it since yesterday and, although I still think it's a lazy ass song, it indeed grew on me quite a bit.
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Post by BMus1 on Nov 30, 2022 13:22:11 GMT
Maybe because deep inside Rob is just a luxury hired gun, and Kirk is just a honorable member with zero creative input. In the past 20 years, it seems more and more that Metallica isn't really a true band... It's more like a collaboration between James and Lars, and they just happen to have two VIP employees that they use to perform live and give some second-class interviews. As a bonus, these employees are also very nice guys and don't cause any major trouble while on the road. In the other hand, both Rob and Kirk seem to be pretty fine with all of this, so everything is good for everyone. But this doesn't really fit at all if you consider Death Magnetic where the process seemed very collaborative, Kirk and Rob were present throughout and James and Lars went out of their way to include riffs from them in every song so they could get equal credit. HTSD is the first time in a long while where it was just the Hetfield/Ulrich Experience all over again, with Rob just kind of there providing the intro to ManUNkind and Kirk and his riffs notoriously absent. I don't know, from the HTSD Making Of videos, I'm getting less "Hetfield Ulrich Experience" and more that Kirk opted to not be there for a majority of the writing sessions. Contributing riffs or not, Rob was present close to the whole time and was giving suggestions on structure (as did Greg, Metallica obviously has very strict definitions on what a writing credit is though). I noticed a few tense moments between them 3 and Kirk that made it into those videos, and they were edited. I don't know what happens behind closed doors, but it was heavily implied from the Lords of Summer making of that Kirk shows up, learns a song, improvs a solo, and that's mainly it. He's mentioned living in Hawaii affects how much he can collaborate. |
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Post by tribeleader on Nov 30, 2022 16:09:59 GMT
It's been only 48 hours and... lol.
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Post by SicJes on Nov 30, 2022 16:20:55 GMT
LoL, that was silly awesome.
Hit the Lux 😂
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Post by SicJes on Nov 30, 2022 16:42:47 GMT
So Lux Aeterna sits right in the middle of the album, and we got the opener and closer as what we should assume are fast Thrashers, so that's 3 fast ones.
Given that HWTSD was very mid tempo asides from HW and Bone, maybe they tried to spread a bit more veriety through out the songs? Maybe the album felt dry towards the middle so they wrote Lux Aeterna on the fly to fill that gap, like the song Hardwired?
So much speculation to ponder for the next few months. Thank god there is no Un4Given. Was seriously expecting that.
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Nov 30, 2022 18:49:12 GMT
Also for those bashing the album cover and even the arrangements, just remember this: That was Lou Reed.
"All lyrics are written by Lou Reed; all music is composed by Reed and Metallica."
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Post by BMus1 on Nov 30, 2022 19:13:56 GMT
To be fair, Lou brought the completed lyrics and essentially structures of the songs to the band. So naturally when you see a lyric sheet with 15 verses and nothing else, it's gonna make for some repetitive music.
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Post by ModerusPrime on Nov 30, 2022 19:22:22 GMT
"All lyrics are written by Lou Reed; all music is composed by Reed and Metallica."
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