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Post by sindre on Jul 2, 2016 8:43:45 GMT
One of the biggest bands on the planet simply cannot put out three bad sounding albums in a row. Something is very wrong indeed if they do. Especially these days when you can make great pro sounding albums in home studios. Made by a bunch of amateurs. Sounds better than anything Metallica has produced since 1998. (btw: fantastic record). |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 9:05:34 GMT
At the risk of beating a dead horse......
The LoS comparisons do not work. All the other covers were recorded for officially released albums (as in, actual proper albums). All the versions of LoS are just, demos. Yes they've "officially released" them, but it's not a proper release. It's akin to the demo B sides from the 90s singles.
Yes, it's not great sounding. But then it's not meant to be. They are all clearly labelled as demos and that's what they are.
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Post by sindre on Jul 2, 2016 9:11:30 GMT
At the risk of beating a dead horse...... The LoS comparisons do not work. All the other covers were recorded for officially released albums (as in, actual proper albums). All the versions of LoS are just, demos. Yes they've "officially released" them, but it's not a proper release. It's akin to the demo B sides from the 90s singles. Yes, it's not great sounding. But then it's not meant to be. They are all clearly labelled as demos and that's what they are. I dont buy that for one second. Its still a release. Beyond Magnetic sounds like shit aswell. Why not present them better? The same goes for LoS. A weak tone is a weak tone. Why not add some samples to the drums? it does not take too much time. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 9:29:13 GMT
You're missing the point.
They are demos. They're pre-production versions of the songs. They're not meant to be polished or have samples or anything like that - they are blueprints for the final version when all the bells and whistles get added.
They are presented in the form that they are meant to be - demos. Taken straight from the hard drive as is.
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Post by sindre on Jul 2, 2016 11:39:20 GMT
You're missing the point. They are demos. They're pre-production versions of the songs. They're not meant to be polished or have samples or anything like that - they are blueprints for the final version when all the bells and whistles get added. They are presented in the form that they are meant to be - demos. Taken straight from the hard drive as is. I know what you mean but I dont agree. But they have released both the Garage version and First pass. They "should" have better production because they clearly spent time with it. |
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Post by lightning master on Jul 2, 2016 13:02:14 GMT
You're missing the point. They are demos. They're pre-production versions of the songs. They're not meant to be polished or have samples or anything like that - they are blueprints for the final version when all the bells and whistles get added. They are presented in the form that they are meant to be - demos. Taken straight from the hard drive as is. I know what you mean but I dont agree. But they have released both the Garage version and First pass. They "should" have better production because they clearly spent time with it. You don't think them acknowledging the two versions as demo versions gives them a pass for not having better production? |
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Post by sindre on Jul 2, 2016 13:16:25 GMT
I know what you mean but I dont agree. But they have released both the Garage version and First pass. They "should" have better production because they clearly spent time with it. You don't think them acknowledging the two versions as demo versions gives them a pass for not having better production? No. Its just another excuse from the Metallica camp. This is just one of several other production errors they have made since 2002. We can agree to disagree. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2016 18:13:09 GMT
No. Its just another excuse from the Metallica camp. This is just one of several other production errors they have made since 2002. We can agree to disagree. I think, if I may be blunt, you simply have an axe to grind with Metallica for whatever reason and that seems to be clouding your judgement. Lords Of Summer was clearly labelled as demos so before you even listen to it you shouldn't be expecting TBA/Load/GI style production. This is not something new for Metallica. They've been releasing the raw demos of tracks since 1988. You're making it out as though LoS was the lead single from an album. It wasn't. It was a (free) demo packaged with LiveMetallica downloads then released (in limited numbers) for Record Store Day. It's not a "production error", it's simply a demo. |
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Post by griever77 on Jul 3, 2016 4:17:12 GMT
No. Its just another excuse from the Metallica camp. This is just one of several other production errors they have made since 2002. We can agree to disagree. I think, if I may be blunt, you simply have an axe to grind with Metallica for whatever reason and that seems to be clouding your judgement. Lords Of Summer was clearly labelled as demos so before you even listen to it you shouldn't be expecting TBA/Load/GI style production. This is not something new for Metallica. They've been releasing the raw demos of tracks since 1988. You're making it out as though LoS was the lead single from an album. It wasn't. It was a (free) demo packaged with LiveMetallica downloads then released (in limited numbers) for Record Store Day. It's not a "production error", it's simply a demo. Although, I agree and you are correct about LOS. I think most fans who purchased DM should have an axe to grind to some extent. You think when your buying a CD it's produced by professionals that will make a superior product with the content given to them. How does a band this big and with so many resources keep botching the production of their music lately? It's like buying a blue ray movie that I love and having it be blurry, and crappy quality that's fatiguing to the eyes and almost hard to watch because of it, even though the content is IMO excellent. Then having the company saying, we think it looks great and that's how we want it. What! That's crap. You botched a product that I really wanted to enjoy!!! |
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Post by Kimbo on Jul 3, 2016 13:57:11 GMT
I can see both sides of this, while I agree that a demo is a demo and shouldn't be judged so hard, it's still baffling that even their demo's sounds like shit. Like sindre said, a weak tone is a weak tone, why use a tone like that on purpose just because it's a demo ? I don't get that at all, it's not 85 anymore, og even 95, it's so damn easy dialing in and recording stuff with decent production. And I gotta say, the DM demo's sounded way better than the actual record, so that's not a good sign of things to come.
But again, we really can't complain much about a demo, even if released and sold... Twice... We have to wait for the actual record to judge.
Regarding LOS I'm much more worried about the song itself than the sound, what a horrible pierce of music.
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Post by sindre on Jul 3, 2016 15:14:53 GMT
Just to give Another example;
Why does "Until the Studio Shit" released in 1996 (fan can) have a much much better production than DM, BM and LoS?
That stuff was just goofing around in the studio....
My point is if they release something make it presentable!!
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Post by Kimbo on Jul 3, 2016 15:17:53 GMT
I honestly think they like that raw (shitty) sound
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 17:37:31 GMT
Love how both forums are basically assuming "raw and not overproduced" can ONLY mean St. Anger 2.
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Post by Kimbo on Jul 3, 2016 19:27:50 GMT
Love how both forums are basically assuming "raw and not overproduced" can ONLY mean St. Anger 2. I wouldn't mind that at all |
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Post by Jayzon on Jul 3, 2016 20:13:13 GMT
If the snare drum would sound a LITTLE more like an actual drum, I wouldn't mind a St. Anger style production.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 21:02:57 GMT
DM production still doesn't bother me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 21:04:46 GMT
At least St. Anger wasn't clipped . The mastering was actually pretty good.
Another album with a fat drum sound and in-tune vocals and composed solos would be fine.
Raw and not-overproduced does not have to mean "demo quality".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 21:05:03 GMT
DM production still doesn't bother me. The new version does not. |
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Post by griever77 on Jul 3, 2016 21:05:57 GMT
Love how both forums are basically assuming "raw and not overproduced" can ONLY mean St. Anger 2. Well, I think people have PTSD from Metallica production. When I hear them say "raw and not overproduced" I start yelling wildly at people on the streets. DM production still doesn't bother me. The new version does not. It bothered somebody enough for them to remaster it on iTunes |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 21:07:38 GMT
Garage Inc Disc 1.
Lulu.
I'm not worried.
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Post by griever77 on Jul 3, 2016 21:14:32 GMT
Has Robert Rock ever said anything about their production since he left?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 21:41:39 GMT
His silence I think speaks volumes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 22:08:14 GMT
this photo was taken while he was listening to DM on release day  |
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Post by Metallicanatic on Jul 4, 2016 22:29:10 GMT
So this happened at The Apollo a couple of years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2016 22:30:13 GMT
Three years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 0:03:16 GMT
That *is* a sweet riff.
So no doubt it will not appear on the new album.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 1:03:19 GMT
That *is* a sweet riff. So no doubt it will not appear on the new album. Don't be that guy, jaysee, don't be that guy! |
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Post by Kimbo on Jul 5, 2016 5:43:38 GMT
That *is* a sweet riff. So no doubt it will not appear on the new album. That's Razor stuff right there, he did it all the time I can't remember that riff but I don't believe I have been blown away by anything they have teased so far |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 8:51:21 GMT
That *is* a sweet riff. So no doubt it will not appear on the new album. Don't be that guy, jaysee, don't be that guy! That *is* a sweet riff. So no doubt it will not appear on the new album. That's Razor stuff right there, he did it all the time Hahahahah you guys. We all know that I drink the Metallica Kool-Aid on a regular basis. |
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Post by Kimbo on Jul 5, 2016 9:33:53 GMT
Well kool your tits then jaysee  |
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