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Post by Overkill on Dec 8, 2022 20:31:28 GMT
Maybe they should release a new album. Should they, though? |
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Post by jayc on Dec 9, 2022 13:28:49 GMT
Zakk is fine. He’s signed up as a name, I think there’s a few other guys who would’ve done a better job, but Zakk’s been ascribed this role for almost 20 years now. Charlie though, he’s put in his homework. Absolutely incredible job. My thoughts too. It's Zakk playing Pantera songs in a Zakk way. Can't say I care for it. His solos are often nothing like the OG ones, pinch FUCKING harmonics everywhere, lazy attention to riffs. Shoulda got one of the shredders from YouTube to do it so it at least would have sounded right. |
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Post by Prometheus426 on Dec 10, 2022 15:44:12 GMT
Zakk is fine. He’s signed up as a name, I think there’s a few other guys who would’ve done a better job, but Zakk’s been ascribed this role for almost 20 years now. Charlie though, he’s put in his homework. Absolutely incredible job. My thoughts too. It's Zakk playing Pantera songs in a Zakk way. Can't say I care for it. His solos are often nothing like the OG ones, pinch FUCKING harmonics everywhere, lazy attention to riffs. Shoulda got one of the shredders from YouTube to do it so it at least would have sounded right. Oh come on, he doing a decent job. |
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Post by Overkill on Dec 10, 2022 17:03:45 GMT
My thoughts too. It's Zakk playing Pantera songs in a Zakk way. Can't say I care for it. His solos are often nothing like the OG ones, pinch FUCKING harmonics everywhere, lazy attention to riffs. Shoulda got one of the shredders from YouTube to do it so it at least would have sounded right. Oh come on, he doing a decent job. No he is. |
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Post by BMus1 on Dec 12, 2022 14:53:02 GMT
Zakk is fine. He’s signed up as a name, I think there’s a few other guys who would’ve done a better job, but Zakk’s been ascribed this role for almost 20 years now. Charlie though, he’s put in his homework. Absolutely incredible job. My thoughts too. It's Zakk playing Pantera songs in a Zakk way. Can't say I care for it. His solos are often nothing like the OG ones, pinch FUCKING harmonics everywhere, lazy attention to riffs. Shoulda got one of the shredders from YouTube to do it so it at least would have sounded right. Apparently they were rehearsing with Phil's guy from The Illegals while BLS was on tour. That guy can arguably do a better Dime than Zakk can but again, no one knows who Mike DeLeon is vs Zakk Wylde.
Also Rex is allegedly out for the rest of the 2022 tour and didn't perform last night. I want to empathize and understand that logistically and financially it would really hurt to not play, but if 50% of the original band is all that's left, they should try to honor that.
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Dec 12, 2022 15:44:24 GMT
I'm a bit conflicted on this whole thing. It's cool they want to pay tribute to Vinnie and Dime for one tour, but it's a bit weird from the clips I've seen hearing Mouth of War without the sound of Vinnie Paul's drums or Dime's signature guitar tone/style. Also, I don't know how true this is, but they're apparently thinking of maybe writing new material. If that's the case then that's utterly stupid. No disrespect to Charlie or Zakk, but they're not Pantera and never will be. Using the Pantera name with them writing new material is retarded.
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Post by jayc on Dec 12, 2022 15:55:15 GMT
My thoughts too. It's Zakk playing Pantera songs in a Zakk way. Can't say I care for it. His solos are often nothing like the OG ones, pinch FUCKING harmonics everywhere, lazy attention to riffs. Shoulda got one of the shredders from YouTube to do it so it at least would have sounded right. Oh come on, he doing a decent job. Insomuch as it#s Zakk playing Pantera like Zakk. I'm not expecting nor asking him to play like Dime. But we SHOULD expet him to show a little more deference to the source material Benante is doing a bang-up job playing Vinnie's parts. All the key moment are there. Zakk, on the other hand, is playing the tunes how he wants to and that kinda bugs me. His lack of attention to detail is frustrating. Half the solos sound nothing like the original solos. This is one area I would expect him to be doing all he can to replicate. But he's clearly only interested in playing how he feels. Fair enough. Don't call it Pantera then. It's a cover band. My thoughts too. It's Zakk playing Pantera songs in a Zakk way. Can't say I care for it. His solos are often nothing like the OG ones, pinch FUCKING harmonics everywhere, lazy attention to riffs. Shoulda got one of the shredders from YouTube to do it so it at least would have sounded right. Apparently they were rehearsing with Phil's guy from The Illegals while BLS was on tour. That guy can arguably do a better Dime than Zakk can but again, no one knows who Mike DeLeon is vs Zakk Wylde.
Also Rex is allegedly out for the rest of the 2022 tour and didn't perform last night. I want to empathize and understand that logistically and financially it would really hurt to not play, but if 50% of the original band is all that's left, they should try to honor that.
Apparently, Rex has Covid and has gone back to the US. They can't cancel the shows now, so they'll just plough on. As I said above: it's a cover band at this point. |
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Post by Overkill on Dec 12, 2022 18:30:07 GMT
Using the Pantera name with them writing new material is retarded. I hope new materials sound like Trendkill. |
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Post by yepsure on Dec 12, 2022 21:04:47 GMT
I disagree with you guys.
The idea isn't to go out there and replicate Pantera note for note so we could pretend we're listening to a reunited Pantera performing live. It's about their good mates and the remaining half of the band going out to celebrate the songs and the legacy of the band and the brothers.
While Charlie is playing closer to Vince's tracks than Zakk is to Dimes, he's still putting his own flair on it. Zakk is holding way back compared to how he would play even his own BLS songs. Sure he's putting pinch harmonics in and improvising parts of the solos, but so did Dime and Pantera live. Live Pantera often sounded very different from the studio Pantera.
Would you prefer Phil and Rex just go out and perform to a backing track?
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Post by SicJes on Dec 12, 2022 23:11:25 GMT
It's like trying to listen to Paranoid live with Randy Rhoads. That solo is so iconic, yet Randy's having dirty sex all over that fret board with no care to replicate Tony's solo.
I don't mind that, but I know what I'm getting if I put it on, and it's not the Sabbath version.
Same for this, I'm just fucking happy I can experience this. I won't be nit picking on the solos and variations. It is what it is, and it could have never been.
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Post by Prometheus426 on Dec 13, 2022 3:00:33 GMT
Forgot how much i loved CFH
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Post by Overkill on Dec 13, 2022 4:24:00 GMT
Forgot how much i loved CFH I never forgot |
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Post by jayc on Dec 13, 2022 7:36:14 GMT
I disagree with you guys. The idea isn't to go out there and replicate Pantera note for note so we could pretend we're listening to a reunited Pantera performing live. It's about their good mates and the remaining half of the band going out to celebrate the songs and the legacy of the band and the brothers. While Charlie is playing closer to Vince's tracks than Zakk is to Dimes, he's still putting his own flair on it. Zakk is holding way back compared to how he would play even his own BLS songs. Sure he's putting pinch harmonics in and improvising parts of the solos, but so did Dime and Pantera live. Live Pantera often sounded very different from the studio Pantera. Would you prefer Phil and Rex just go out and perform to a backing track? All fair points, well made. I guess what I'm saying is not "note for note" but at trying to stay true to the template. No problems with adding flair and flourish but when the solos is barely recognisable or the main riff has the wrong rhythm/palm muting etc then it starts to get a little silly. |
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Post by yepsure on Dec 13, 2022 10:21:55 GMT
I disagree with you guys. The idea isn't to go out there and replicate Pantera note for note so we could pretend we're listening to a reunited Pantera performing live. It's about their good mates and the remaining half of the band going out to celebrate the songs and the legacy of the band and the brothers. While Charlie is playing closer to Vince's tracks than Zakk is to Dimes, he's still putting his own flair on it. Zakk is holding way back compared to how he would play even his own BLS songs. Sure he's putting pinch harmonics in and improvising parts of the solos, but so did Dime and Pantera live. Live Pantera often sounded very different from the studio Pantera. Would you prefer Phil and Rex just go out and perform to a backing track? All fair points, well made. I guess what I'm saying is not "note for note" but at trying to stay true to the template. No problems with adding flair and flourish but when the solos is barely recognisable or the main riff has the wrong rhythm/palm muting etc then it starts to get a little silly. Remember Dime would literally break out the Cat Scratch Fever riff (or others) in the middle of Cowboys, completely change up riffs, tunings, tone, solos...you name it. He was a performer just like Zakk is. Phil would change up vocal sections, deliveries...they cut up songs and join them together. They were all about the vibe and having a good time. The 2022 live performances to date are closer to the album version than the ones from 1997 like this ..even if you ignore the other songs they sliced in, the vocals are completely different, plenty of riffs completely changed, pinch harmonics and whammy through the solo...out riff changes up, etc... Or even this one from 2001, plenty of changes ups I would argue the 2022 performances are more in line with the spirit of Pantera than Zakk/Charlie playing the studio versions as close as possible would be. EDIT: Also it doesn't help that they are playing in C# or something super low, so even for the parts Zakk is playing 1:1, it sounds pretty different. |
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Post by yepsure on Dec 13, 2022 11:32:20 GMT
On the flip side, how fucking good is this...it sounds like the album version but with 1000% energy
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Post by yepsure on Dec 13, 2022 11:39:23 GMT
Fucking hell man, listen to this..so good
I'm talking to myself now this must be what HR feels like with a bunch of account switches inbetween
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Post by yepsure on Dec 13, 2022 11:42:25 GMT
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Post by Overkill on Dec 13, 2022 15:04:40 GMT
Fucking hell man, listen to this..so good I'm talking to myself now this must be what HR feels like with a bunch of account switches inbetween Yes |
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Post by BMus1 on Dec 13, 2022 16:57:50 GMT
Fucking hell man, listen to this..so good I'm talking to myself now this must be what HR feels like with a bunch of account switches inbetween But honestly this is the best indicator of something being really really good. Thanks for sharing these, I haven't heard nearly enough Pantera live stuff.
Also you are right about this being a great tribute. After listening to more videos I'm getting myself really hyped to see them live. I wish Zakk was a little tighter in spots, but by the Metallica tour the four of them should be locked in. Rex not being there would make me a little annoyed, but they still put on heavy ass show.
yepsure how do you feel about them ignoring Power Metal later in their career (and probably this reunion)? I never gave it much of a shot. |
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Post by Overkill on Dec 13, 2022 17:40:20 GMT
What a crowd
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Post by Mr. Sophistication on Dec 13, 2022 21:31:07 GMT
Holy shit, that crowd is insane. I remember being in that type of energetic surge for a Prophets of Rage show. One of the best shows I've been to, crowd wise. Good to see this still happening with bands like Pantera.
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Post by Prometheus426 on Dec 14, 2022 8:46:30 GMT
Bringing back good memories from the 90's.
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Post by Prometheus426 on Dec 14, 2022 20:03:30 GMT
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Post by yepsure on Dec 14, 2022 20:58:23 GMT
yepsure how do you feel about them ignoring Power Metal later in their career (and probably this reunion)? I never gave it much of a shot. Yeah I never had much interest in those early albums. I wish they would (and did) show more love for the songs on Cowboys though. That album has some of Dime's best riffs and solos, and of course Phil's vocals. |
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Post by BMus1 on Dec 15, 2022 2:51:24 GMT
I don't think Phil can sing most of Cowboys anymore tbh. I'm hoping Primal Concrete will show up next year at least.
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Post by Overkill on Dec 15, 2022 17:24:36 GMT
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Post by Prometheus426 on Dec 15, 2022 20:06:46 GMT
Still my fav
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Post by Prometheus426 on Dec 29, 2022 14:13:10 GMT
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Post by jorn on Jan 6, 2023 8:22:15 GMT
This will always be a regret for me that I won't travel to catch them.
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PANTERA
Jan 7, 2023 12:58:33 GMT
via mobile
Post by Kimbo on Jan 7, 2023 12:58:33 GMT
Will see what’s left of them on Copenhell this year
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