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Post by jayc on Jun 22, 2021 12:00:23 GMT
So, 20 versions of Sandman, 20 versions of NEM, 7 Unforgiven, and 1 of the rest or something like that...? Yay😴 Maybe but you have to image that each might be stylistically different (St Vincent unlikely to be in the vein of Miley Cyrus etc....). Can't say I'm going to buy this covers album but I'll check it out on Spotify. |
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Jun 22, 2021 13:41:56 GMT
So, 20 versions of Sandman, 20 versions of NEM, 7 Unforgiven, and 1 of the rest or something like that...? Yay😴 Aww No Snoop Dogg Sad But True cover?
Also, I'm officially pleased (they better have it on video):
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Post by jayc on Jun 22, 2021 13:46:26 GMT
So, 20 versions of Sandman, 20 versions of NEM, 7 Unforgiven, and 1 of the rest or something like that...? Yay😴 Aww No Snoop Dogg Sad But True cover?
Also, I'm officially pleased (they better have it on video):
It appears not. I'm guessing a rights or lost masters issue. |
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Post by jayc on Jun 22, 2021 13:47:59 GMT
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Post by jayc on Jun 22, 2021 13:52:12 GMT
(And yes, of course I have already pre-ordered it.)
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Post by lightning master on Jun 22, 2021 14:30:26 GMT
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Post by lightning master on Jun 22, 2021 14:57:49 GMT
The Unforgiven (139 BPM Take - January 29th, 1991)
I wonder what that will sound like. I mean it's the original tempo, right? I'm not sure what the difference between 70 bpm and 140 bpm is.
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Post by Ruflux on Jun 22, 2021 15:29:49 GMT
So, 20 versions of Sandman, 20 versions of NEM, 7 Unforgiven, and 1 of the rest or something like that...? Yay😴 Aww No Snoop Dogg Sad But True cover?
Also, I'm officially pleased (they better have it on video):
Bit of a shame they had Greg Fidelman mix that again when there already exists a pretty damn good quality version of that mixed by Randy Staub. Like, Fidelman's not that bad but he's not Randy Staub and they should've just had him do the mix on the songs that Staub didn't do. What we ended up with was a version of Sandman from Moscow '91 that's probably worse than the earlier mix with the modern Metallica sample snare and overemphasized hi-hats included. Would've been nice to have Staub's mixes as official audio after all these years. |
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Post by SicJes on Jun 22, 2021 16:10:55 GMT
LOL, I wasn't far off Seems more like 30 versions of NEM. Definitely interested in 10% of those covers, the other 90%... Not so much. |
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Post by jayc on Jun 22, 2021 16:34:03 GMT
Bit of a shame they had Greg Fidelman mix that again when there already exists a pretty damn good quality version of that mixed by Randy Staub. Like, Fidelman's not that bad but he's not Randy Staub and they should've just had him do the mix on the songs that Staub didn't do. What we ended up with was a version of Sandman from Moscow '91 that's probably worse than the earlier mix with the modern Metallica sample snare and overemphasized hi-hats included. Would've been nice to have Staub's mixes as official audio after all these years. No resampling going on to my ears. Very much doubt they would do that to archival releases (they're not Megadeth....). But hey, feel free to be a Grumpy-Gus. |
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Post by Jayzon on Jun 22, 2021 16:46:03 GMT
The official track listing from Metallica.com:
TRACKLISTING
Alessia Cara & The Warning - Enter Sandman
Mac DeMarco - Enter Sandman
Ghost - Enter Sandman
Juanes - Enter Sandman
Rina Sawayama - Enter Sandman
Weezer - Enter Sandman
Sam Fender - Sad But True (Live)
Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit - Sad But True
Mexican Institute of Sound feat. La Perla & Gera MX - Sad But True
Royal Blood - Sad But True
St. Vincent - Sad But True
White Reaper - Sad But True
YB - Sad But True
Biffy Clyro - Holier Than Thou
The Chats - Holier Than Thou
OFF! - Holier Than Thou
PUP - Holier Than Thou
Corey Taylor - Holier Than Thou
Cage The Elephant - The Unforgiven
Vishal Dadlani, DIVINE, Shor Police - The Unforgiven
Diet Cig - The Unforgiven
Flatbush Zombies feat. DJ Scratch - The Unforgiven
Ha*Ash - The Unforgiven
José Madero - The Unforgiven
Moses Sumney - The Unforgiven
J Balvin - Wherever I May Roam
Chase & Status feat. BackRoad Gee - Wherever I May Roam
The Neptunes - Wherever I May Roam
Jon Pardi - Wherever I May Roam
SebastiAn - Don't Tread on Else Matters
Portugal. The Man feat. Aaron Beam - Don't Tread on Me
Volbeat - Don't Tread on Me
The HU - Through the Never
Tomi Owó - Through the Never
Phoebe Bridgers - Nothing Else Matters
Miley Cyrus feat. Watt, Elton John, Yo-Yo Ma, Robert Trujillo, Chad Smith - Nothing Else Matters
Dave Gahan - Nothing Else Matters
Mickey Guyton - Nothing Else Matters
Dermot Kennedy - Nothing Else Matters
Mon Laferte - Nothing Else Matters
Igor Levit - Nothing Else Matters
My Morning Jacket - Nothing Else Matters
PG Roxette - Nothing Else Matters
Darius Rucker - Nothing Else Matters
Chris Stapleton - Nothing Else Matters
TRESOR - Nothing Else Matters
Goodnight, Texas - Of Wolf and Man
IDLES - The God That Failed
Imelda May - The God That Failed
Cherry Glazerr - My Friend of Misery
Izïa - My Friend of Misery
Kamasi Washington - My Friend of Misery
Rodrigo y Gabriela - The Struggle Within
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Post by Ruflux on Jun 22, 2021 16:46:15 GMT
Bit of a shame they had Greg Fidelman mix that again when there already exists a pretty damn good quality version of that mixed by Randy Staub. Like, Fidelman's not that bad but he's not Randy Staub and they should've just had him do the mix on the songs that Staub didn't do. What we ended up with was a version of Sandman from Moscow '91 that's probably worse than the earlier mix with the modern Metallica sample snare and overemphasized hi-hats included. Would've been nice to have Staub's mixes as official audio after all these years. No resampling going on to my ears. Very much doubt they would do that to archival releases (they're not Megadeth....). But hey, feel free to be a Grumpy-Gus. Hey, I just think it sounds worse than the version that already exists. I dunno, maybe the snare isn't a sample but it sounds pretty similar to all their recent productions so I wouldn't be surprised. Even Staub's version definitely uses samples so it's not that I'm even against that, just the particular sound they/Fidelman always seem to go for these days. e: Also, I'm pretty certain every Fidelman mixed re-release has used samples, so I dunno where you're getting that from anyway. Seattle '89 and some of the Metallica Mondays releases spring to mind. |
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Post by stanpsatrac on Jun 22, 2021 18:15:35 GMT
Garbage all around, I might give Ghost's cover a listen though.
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Post by jayc on Jun 22, 2021 18:26:38 GMT
Garbage all around, I might give Ghost's cover a listen though. And you’ve heard the whole thing? Thought not. |
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Post by SicJes on Jun 22, 2021 19:43:12 GMT
I love Ghost, one of my top 3 bands, but I really didn't care for their live version of Sandman one bit. IMO Ghost could sound awesome covering one of the more dark songs like The God that failed or Misery. Oh well, maybe I will be pleasantly surprised by a studio version.
I'm looking forward to some of those weird hip-hop covers, the Roam one seems really cool. Cage the Elephant and the Chats as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 21:15:35 GMT
Nothing in this trailer is in HD. wtf. Oh well, fans will just do the work for them. Probably wasn't going to buy the box set anyway, but I definitely won't now out of principle. They need to be AI upscaling their shit, it's doable now. They'll probably do it again later and try to resell it again. By then, everything they've ever released on video will be AI upscaled by fans and available on youtube for free. I think this is a pretty big fuck up on their part.
Meanwhile...
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Post by yepsure on Jun 22, 2021 21:53:20 GMT
FUCK YES FINALLY. I've been so pumped for the Black album remasters boxset.
Couldn't care less about the covers thing though.
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Post by yepsure on Jun 22, 2021 22:18:13 GMT
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Post by yepsure on Jun 22, 2021 22:38:56 GMT
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Post by jayc on Jun 23, 2021 4:22:21 GMT
Nothing in this trailer is in HD. wtf. Oh well, fans will just do the work for them. Probably wasn't going to buy the box set anyway, but I definitely won't now out of principle. They need to be AI upscaling their shit, it's doable now. They'll probably do it again later and try to resell it again. By then, everything they've ever released on video will be AI upscaled by fans and available on youtube for free. I think this is a pretty big fuck up on their part. Meanwhile... Why would it be? None of the source material is HD. They’re not going to spend money upscaling to release in a format that most people don’t have (Blu-ray). I don’t want footage from 91 upscaled. No matter how much you try it never looks quite right be user of the limitations of the masters. Plus….. who gives a shit really? Given the huge amount of content on offer you’re gonna complain about one tiny aspect of it? Jesus. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. |
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Post by jayc on Jun 23, 2021 4:23:47 GMT
FUCK YES FINALLY. I've been so pumped for the Black album remasters boxset. Couldn't care less about the covers thing though. I feel you matey. When I saw the post on Judas I went into a giddy spin, couldn’t really take all the content in. But fuck me, it is IMPRESSIVE. Can’t bloody wait! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 4:57:40 GMT
Nothing in this trailer is in HD. wtf. Oh well, fans will just do the work for them. Probably wasn't going to buy the box set anyway, but I definitely won't now out of principle. They need to be AI upscaling their shit, it's doable now. They'll probably do it again later and try to resell it again. By then, everything they've ever released on video will be AI upscaled by fans and available on youtube for free. I think this is a pretty big fuck up on their part. Meanwhile... Why would it be? None of the source material is HD. They’re not going to spend money upscaling to release in a format that most people don’t have (Blu-ray). I don’t want footage from 91 upscaled. No matter how much you try it never looks quite right be user of the limitations of the masters. Plus….. who gives a shit really? Given the huge amount of content on offer you’re gonna complain about one tiny aspect of it? Jesus. Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Bluray players are abundant in homes in the developed world for many years now. (game consoles) Might as well not release TBA on vinyl. Doesn't the box set come with a cassette ffs? Upscaling would cost fuck all for Metallica to do. Again, fans are doing it for them. Either way, they could upscale all their old stuff and put it on streaming services. Upscaled looks a whole lot better to me. I know it has that soft, glossy look but it's a good trade off for overall sharper picture and more detail. Who gives a shit? IDK, let's check in a few years from now and see how many views all of the fan upscaled videos have. Why watch crappier quality video when higher quality video exists? If upscaled video on something exists, that's what I'm watching from now on. People in comments have been asking for this for stuff like Live Shit for years. Like I said I wasn't gonna buy the box set anyway, I was just more making a point. Here's a better point. Why 'remaster' TBA? It's just gonna sound louder and more trebley. Most remasters are loudness wars bullshit. It was done right the first time. Turn up the volume. |
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Post by yepsure on Jun 23, 2021 6:11:26 GMT
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Post by jayc on Jun 23, 2021 6:12:47 GMT
Yeah I’m holding off on that. I’ll keep an eye on it on Amazon. I already have two previous Metallica books by Halfin and I’ve not looked at them in years so not sure about the need to buy a picture book to be honest. |
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Post by jayc on Jun 23, 2021 9:52:06 GMT
Here's a better point. Why 'remaster' TBA? It's just gonna sound louder and more trebley. Most remasters are loudness wars bullshit. It was done right the first time. Turn up the volume. Side by side wave comparison shows very little change. To my ears, the remaster Sandman is neither louder nor more trebley. As for your assertions that all the snares have been sampled for the Greg Fidelman remixes.... I don't think so. It's not sampled just mixed differently. I've just A/B-ed it. The whole Seattle show is mixed differently. The DVD runs quite hot compared to the new remix.  |
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Post by jayc on Jun 23, 2021 10:12:35 GMT
The Unforgiven (139 BPM Take - January 29th, 1991) I wonder what that will sound like. I mean it's the original tempo, right? I'm not sure what the difference between 70 bpm and 140 bpm is. Yeah that's a curious one. Looking forward to hearing that. I wonder if the earlier versions of it were at a faster/slower BPM and this was the one where the fond the right groove? |
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Post by lightning master on Jun 23, 2021 10:26:42 GMT
The Unforgiven (139 BPM Take - January 29th, 1991) I wonder what that will sound like. I mean it's the original tempo, right? I'm not sure what the difference between 70 bpm and 140 bpm is. Yeah that's a curious one. Looking forward to hearing that. I wonder if the earlier versions of it were at a faster/slower BPM and this was the one where the fond the right groove? Oh, yeah, that could be it. We'll have to wait and see. |
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Post by Jayzon on Jun 23, 2021 19:27:56 GMT
FUCK YES FINALLY. I've been so pumped for the Black album remasters boxset. Couldn't care less about the covers thing though. Me, I'm the complete opposite. I don't give a rat's ass about a remastered album, but the tribute album? I'm fucking stoked. |
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Post by yepsure on Jun 23, 2021 21:48:28 GMT
FUCK YES FINALLY. I've been so pumped for the Black album remasters boxset. Couldn't care less about the covers thing though. Me, I'm the complete opposite. I don't give a rat's ass about a remastered album, but the tribute album? I'm fucking stoked. Haha, you and I always seem to have completely opposite taste! We're lucky that there's something being released for each of us to be excited about. |
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Post by metman18 on Jun 24, 2021 22:37:23 GMT
The only thing I think I’m disappointed about is the lack of including Bob Rock in some way. But maybe he’s included in the book?
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