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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 18:05:32 GMT
So now both Lars and Rob have confirmed they are working on new ideas.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 19:12:15 GMT
Cool. New album in 2028.
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Post by filthyheart on Jul 4, 2020 12:32:02 GMT
Still Hardwired feels like the new album although its been 4 years. I hope they are working on the new one because what excuse to have not working on it?
New album 2025
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Post by SicJes on Sept 4, 2020 12:12:55 GMT
It annoys me that they always say things like "We got 600 ideas" or "We have an endless supply of riffs to go through" blah blah, and then something like Murder 1 ends up on an album. Just write some damn songs FFS.
If this most likely ends up as the last album, it better be a killer one on all levels.
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Post by heini92 on Sept 4, 2020 19:15:29 GMT
It would surprise me if they have done anything at all with regards to a new album.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 19:48:59 GMT
Lars said they should be recording this fall.
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Post by metman18 on Sept 4, 2020 19:58:46 GMT
I really don’t see how. Unless they plan to record St Anger style. Don’t they still need to demo? I mean, it pretty much is Fall.
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Post by SicJes on Sept 4, 2020 21:03:19 GMT
They wrote Hardwired on the fly, (right?)
That song is decent enough. Maybe Kirk and Rob just sent over their ideas to James' and Lars over the summer to work out some rough ideas.
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Post by ModerusPrime on Sept 4, 2020 21:56:13 GMT
Lars and James are the only ones needed at first to sit down and jam on the riffs. I don't see why they couldn't get together. It's not like they didn't for the HS show.
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Post by Ruflux on Sept 5, 2020 9:18:48 GMT
I think this is the first time in a while where I could actually believe the "we're doing a new album" talk, simply because they've got no other distractions, a clear desire to make more music and all the time in the world. Whether or not they stick with it and actually produce an album in a reasonable timeframe is a different matter altogether, but I definitely can believe they're at least giving it a shot.
James going into rehab and S&M2 feel like they should be capstone moments to the whole Hardwired era so I think it'd be pretty appropriate to move on to something new already, rather than faff about with vanity projects like they did last time after the DM cycle. But who knows if that's how the band sees it. It would be refreshing to get new material before they've forgotten the previous album exists for once, though.
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Post by Zalman on Sept 6, 2020 8:50:49 GMT
I think this is the first time in a while where I could actually believe the "we're doing a new album" talk, simply because they've got no other distractions, a clear desire to make more music and all the time in the world. Whether or not they stick with it and actually produce an album in a reasonable timeframe is a different matter altogether, but I definitely can believe they're at least giving it a shot. James going into rehab and S&M2 feel like they should be capstone moments to the whole Hardwired era so I think it'd be pretty appropriate to move on to something new already, rather than faff about with vanity projects like they did last time after the DM cycle. But who knows if that's how the band sees it. It would be refreshing to get new material before they've forgotten the previous album exists for once, though. I agree, I'm feeling good about it this time. |
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Post by Wolfish on Sept 19, 2020 16:04:43 GMT
Knowing how Metallica are unpredictable and sometimes toy with the idea of reacting to their recent M.O., coupled with the fact that they have been open to revist old strategies, they may want this time to write and record songs quicker, do things more to the point and not overanalize things or spend too much time in the studio?
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Post by SicJes on Sept 19, 2020 17:09:27 GMT
So punky/Hardwiredish songs × 8 plus 2 Thought out ballady things, and 1 focused prog balls out thrasher.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 18:02:10 GMT
I hope not.
Their best shit was between RTL to AJFA, and I wished they'd focus on that or retire. This whole forever-TBA-Load meets downgraded versions of 80s material has made it's point. They all need to go take music lessons and re-educate themselves on their own music.
And the stuff Het writes is too happy sounding for my tastes for a long time. Dark lyrics should have generally dark music with 'light music' only peering through the clouds at times.
And get a better producer. There are lots of them. Get Devin Townsend.
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Post by lightning master on Sept 19, 2020 19:06:01 GMT
And the stuff Het writes is too happy sounding for my tastes for a long time. But more or less everything he writes is in minor? |
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Post by BMus1 on Sept 20, 2020 2:25:28 GMT
“Hardwired disc three” essentially would be more than welcome from me, but a little more mid-tempo. Maybe similar to disc two but better, more focused songwriting a la disc one.
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Post by jayc on Sept 21, 2020 3:53:10 GMT
I hope not. Their best shit was between RTL to AJFA, and I wished they'd focus on that or retire. This whole forever-TBA-Load meets downgraded versions of 80s material has made it's point. They all need to go take music lessons and re-educate themselves on their own music. And the stuff Het writes is too happy sounding for my tastes for a long time. Dark lyrics should have generally dark music with 'light music' only peering through the clouds at times. And get a better producer. There are lots of them. Get Devin Townsend. You’re in the minority I think. I REALLY do not want them to try and be thrash again. They just can’t do it. It ends up sounding far too obviously on the grid in ProTools. And at the risk of sounding like a MetFor fanboy: they don’t need to re-educate themselves. They know how to play that shot. They’ve done that shit. Why would they want to go backwards? Doing MOP 2 would be boring. Trust me, you think you would want it but the reality would be so much different. Simply because they couldn’t write that kind of album now even if they deliberately set out to do so. What we need now is something that is heavy, and powerful and has groove. We need more Sad But Trues than Hardwired. IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2020 4:21:39 GMT
I hope not. Their best shit was between RTL to AJFA, and I wished they'd focus on that or retire. This whole forever-TBA-Load meets downgraded versions of 80s material has made it's point. They all need to go take music lessons and re-educate themselves on their own music. And the stuff Het writes is too happy sounding for my tastes for a long time. Dark lyrics should have generally dark music with 'light music' only peering through the clouds at times. And get a better producer. There are lots of them. Get Devin Townsend. You’re in the minority I think. I REALLY do not want them to try and be thrash again. They just can’t do it. It ends up sounding far too obviously on the grid in ProTools. And at the risk of sounding like a MetFor fanboy: they don’t need to re-educate themselves. They know how to play that shot. They’ve done that shit. Why would they want to go backwards? Doing MOP 2 would be boring. Trust me, you think you would want it but the reality would be so much different. Simply because they couldn’t write that kind of album now even if they deliberately set out to do so. What we need now is something that is heavy, and powerful and has groove. We need more Sad But Trues than Hardwired. IMO. Minority of who? People here? Because I'm going to bet it's not the case elsewhere. What do you think Metallica fans at large want? So you're telling me they shouldn't go backwards but they should do more 'Sad But Trues?' That's backwards. You're also saying 'they can't do it', while saying they don't need to, and know how and already done it. MOP2 would be boring? So would more Sad But True, which they've already done more Sad But True. I'd rather have the MOP2 attempt. If you crave their simplest most generic stuff, cool. I don't. They clearly aren't above their 80s material because they can't even play it properly live. They have definitely lost touch with all of that. They've lost touch with being, generally speaking, the better musicians they once were. They have no motivation though. Rich as shit, and TBA is the mega seller. So of course, I'm not hoping for anything, I just wish these guys actually cared about being better players and songwriters. They don't. Their typical setlists speak for themselves. They know what their best shit was. |
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Post by yepsure on Sept 21, 2020 7:03:41 GMT
I also said this before the Hardwired album was released, but I like Metallica for the music they have made already and my excitement is in them celebrating that past music, the anniversary shows, the deluxe boxsets and behind the scenes / never seen or heard before stuff, Metallica Mondays. My excitement is looking at a setlist and hoping to see Eye of the Beholder or even some song I hate off Reload.
I don't really care about potential future Metallica music...and I say this without any negative connotations, but my love for Metallica is pure nostalgia. Of course if they make new music I'm sure I'll love it and listen to it a shitload, but that excitement or desire for future music just isn't there for me. I don't need another album that they tour full on for a couple of years then ignore completely when the next cycle begins. And I know this looks like a contradiction, but I'm so burnt out by their greatest hits. The 2019 shows had some decent variety, but the bulk of this albums tour have been the new songs + Black Album singles + One/Master/Bells/Creep/Fade...it just doesn't do it for me. I would like to see them live a couple more times, but if it was that drive in setlist I don't think I'd even bother.
And as much as I enjoy(ed?) Death Magnetic and HWTSD, I don't need another album with reworked ideas from the past. I don't want more Master of Puppets or more Sad But True. I'm not sure if it's just me, but I feel like their acoustic performances from the last few years, the reworks of their original songs, like All Within My Hands, Disposable Heroes, etc... have had more soul/character/passion in them than most of their recent original music. We've had thrash Metallica, progressive Thrash Metallica era, Hard-rock Metallica era and now we're in, and I hate to say it, but corporate Metallica era. Everything seems geared and crafted to sell as much merch as possible for the highest price, usually with some big money corporate partnership and I'm just not interested. It turns me off any potential new music - again I think there are some great moments in their recent music, but you can't help but feel / hear that it's forced...compared to when they create just for the sake of creating, like Blackened 2020, or the other reworked acoustic songs, it's like night and day.
Just give me my Black Album, Load/Reload and Garage Inc boxsets, play some acoustic shows that I can watch on YouTube/Spotify, and I'll be happy.
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Post by jackers on Sept 21, 2020 16:16:13 GMT
Wow, this thread prefrectly sums up why Lars once said that he doesn't give a shit about reading what fans envision what Metallica should be  |
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Post by Kimbo on Sept 22, 2020 5:16:57 GMT
Yepsure
I could not agree more, that post sums up how I’ve been feeling for years.
I was pretty stocked about HW when it came out, I love
those new album moments, those make me feel like the old days.
Other than that I basically don’t follow the band anymore, I don’t watch their set lists, I didn’t reallly watch Metallica Monday’s either (although that was awesome). I skipped the last few shows in my country too.
I did go to see S&MII in the movies which was pretty fun, but I’m not even gonna pretend that I will be buying it, I will probably not even see it a a second time in the full.
It’s all so boring and predictable now, It’s all commercials
and silly co-operations with stupid shit.
Gimme an acoustic album or a covers album. I would dig that.
MOP2? I don’t want that all all. HW while pretty cool was completely
Rehashed ideas from old times, they didn’t even hide it, calling Moth a mix between Ride/Disposable etc.
If they do have one original album left in them I would like some Downish gritty shit that they can pull of playing. Like Dream No More/Savage those type of songs. But with properly distorted guitars and HEAVY production. I cannot stand the OTT stuff they keep doing, it ruins it all for me. Make the songs 5 min instead of 8/9 min.
Not every song needs a long intro, 3 verses, a solo section and what often feels like a 5 min outro that keeps going on and on and on (Atlas)
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Post by filthyheart on Sept 22, 2020 8:00:14 GMT
They can go full on thrash mode. Spit out the bone should be the obvious anwser.
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Post by Kimbo on Sept 23, 2020 11:10:55 GMT
They can go full on thrash mode. Spit out the bone should be the obvious anwser. It's the obvious answer yes, they don't really know how to make a tight thrash song without having it go on on for ages. I like Spit very much, but it fades with time because it's so damn long. |
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Post by BMus1 on Sept 23, 2020 14:39:15 GMT
If Spit was the last full on thrash song they ever did I'd be happy. That being said I agree with whoever said they'd be fine with Moth's speed being the fastest tempo they got up to in new songs.
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Post by Wolfish on Sept 23, 2020 20:44:38 GMT
They should make a u-turn and create music and record it in a matter of weeks/ months, like in the '80s. I Disappear and the song Hardwired are good examples of not over-analizing things and working quicker.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2020 22:54:41 GMT
They should make a u-turn and create music and record it in a matter of weeks/ months, like in the '80s. I Disappear and the song Hardwired are good examples of not over-analizing things and working quicker. *Are good examples of mediocre songs imo/tbh/tho HW was in a few days though, wasn't it? I don't have confidence in them that they'd make a better album in weeks/months. |
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Post by SicJes on Sept 24, 2020 10:32:33 GMT
Lulu was thrown together in a couple weeks. Lou Reed asides, the music and production is up there, a little editing needed.
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Post by Jayzon on Sept 24, 2020 14:06:29 GMT
I'll be happy if they make a new album, be it in any style - just as long as they make it for the right reasons. To me, the only album Metallica has done for the wrong reasons was Death Magnetic. To me, it felt like they were just trying to satisfy the needs of the "old school fans", who keep demanding MoP 2 or only focus on the 80s material. It didn't feel like their hearts were in it; it felt forced. But if they decide to do an 80s style thrash album because they want to, I'm all for it. If they decide to do a bluesy hard rock album because they want to, I'm all for it. If they decide to do a combination of the two, or any other style of album, because they want to, I'm all for it. Just don't try to please any particular part of your fandom just for the sake of pleasing them. Authenticity wins, always. And I definitely agree that doing things quicker often leads to superior results. As Wolfish said, songs like I Disappear and Hardwired are great examples of that, as are No Leaf Clover and -Human. Just write songs, record them, and be done with it. Overanalyzing and endless tweaking rarely makes things better (with Black Album being a great exception that breaks the rule). |
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Post by BMus1 on Sept 24, 2020 14:26:20 GMT
Still though TBA was recorded in under a year. And I can't imagine they spent more than a year writing too.
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Post by spartanmcdoodle on Sept 25, 2020 1:00:09 GMT
I'd be happy to see James go solo and put out a heap of chilled load/reload era style country rock shit tbh.
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