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Post by Habuji on Feb 14, 2020 4:38:11 GMT
I think this is quite a controversial topic. Mainly because I have heard this being thrown around for years "guitars don't need to be tuned down to play a great riff, E standard is just fine" and the rougher comments of the sort implying basically the same, and I think the reason for this is due to all the nu-metal bands of the early 2000s that downtuned their guitars a full octave or two and played pentatonic generic riffs utilizing only 2 or 3 different notes. The general consensus was that people using this approach were trying too hard sound "heavy" and ultimately failing at being any more intense than your average mid tempo E standard dad-groove.
However, I think we have reached a point where people are becoming more open-minded and standard tuning, downtuning, and drop tuning are generally accepted as equals. Meaning not that Drop B would sound good in a folk song or E standard would sound good playing doom metal (unless you're Black Sabbath) but that they all have their special places in the vast multitude of genres that exist out there.
My personal opinion is that when it comes to metal, downtuning is just superior. Anything from D# standard and down makes whatever you're playing have a crisper, warmer sound. It will suddenly sound more groovy and full, and have overall more impact. The limit for me is low C# on an 8 or 9-string, which if it's lower just sounds too muddy. I would only use those tunings if I were to play some crazy doom & gloom downtempo stuff. I do not recommend tuning Drop G on a 6-string either, and even Drop A can be inconsistent. Stick with the tuning of the string that would be a fifth lower than your lowest string as the "low" tuning for your guitar to get the proper sound. I use a baritone that I tune to F# standard and it sounds so fucking good. Tuning low will also ease the tension the strings put on your fingers which reduces fatigue.
Quarter tunings are so underrated. Which as an example would be 50% Drop B and 50% Drop C. Inbetween notes (Kirk's greatest enemy) so to speak. This can make your songs sound unlike 99,999% of music out there with 12 tones that nobody really uses, and that to me is pretty fucking cool. Pantera used to do this. If you combine tuning low with quarter tuning then that's really as far as you can get from normie tunings as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 5:36:56 GMT
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Post by Alan-P on Feb 14, 2020 7:13:34 GMT
Nah
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2020 8:25:01 GMT
Good songwriting is what matters, for metal or otherwise, and tuning just depends on what you want to sonically-stylistically achieve.
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Post by ford71V8 on Feb 16, 2020 23:28:13 GMT
D, G, C, G, C, D
tune up and down, be a legend
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 2:09:39 GMT
You get floppy guitar strings with drop C tuning.
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Post by General Smithers on Feb 18, 2020 10:23:50 GMT
You get floppy guitar strings with drop C tuning. To match your floppy penis.
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Post by Habuji on Feb 18, 2020 12:05:31 GMT
I think floppy strings are overblown as a problem when downtuning. As long as you're not trying to go Drop G you should be good. If not just get a long scale guitar and it will not feel much different than standard and will more consistently stay in tune.
In my opinion standard tuning is just too tight and rough on the fingers while I find Drop B or C to be much more forgiving for longer jam sessions.
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Post by ford71V8 on Feb 18, 2020 23:07:13 GMT
In my opinion standard tuning is just too tight and rough on the fingers
Harden up.
Kids today
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2020 23:09:46 GMT
Floppy strings sound like shit.
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Post by Bartman on Feb 19, 2020 0:05:21 GMT
when i hear my djent-y technical whatever wank metal talk about "tone" it is invariably the worst sounding guitar noise i have ever heard.
i'm cool with downtuning if you are planning on making nice noise. uptuning is God's path, however.
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Post by SicJes on Feb 19, 2020 0:53:36 GMT
My kids down tune/detune my guitars all the time. FML.
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Post by Habuji on Feb 19, 2020 3:56:54 GMT
In my opinion standard tuning is just too tight and rough on the fingers Harden up. Kids today Ok boomer. when i hear my djent-y technical whatever wank metal talk about "tone" it is invariably the worst sounding guitar noise i have ever heard. i'm cool with downtuning if you are planning on making nice noise. uptuning is God's path, however. Tuning up is actually super unhealthy for your guitar and much more so than tuning down the same amount. F standard feels further away from where your guitar should be sonically than Drop C# which feels just right. Trying to go higher will risk breaking your strings. Also not all music is supposed to be "pretty" and there's plenty of "djent" bands that have a good tone. Meshuggah sometimes doesn't sound so amazing I'll give you that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 4:22:12 GMT
Pfff, Meshuggah always sounds amazing. They are THE band that actually sounds good tuned to below infinity.
I can't imagine any reason to tune up above E. I'd just use a capo.
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Post by Habuji on Feb 19, 2020 5:37:48 GMT
Pfff, Meshuggah always sounds amazing. They are THE band that actually sounds good tuned to below infinity. Why do I sense some irony... I definitely think there are bands that sound way better. Doom metal bands such as Thou and Conan sound magnificent in ridiculous tunings like D#, G#, and F, and if you dig deeper there are bands that can make even lower tunings work. I like those way better than some metalcore act that would mega shred in the same realm but recently I've come to appreciate that genre, if only for the "slower" moments of it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 5:46:13 GMT
Pfff, Meshuggah always sounds amazing. They are THE band that actually sounds good tuned to below infinity. Why do I sense some irony... idk, point it out, cuz it's probably a misunderstanding My point was, Meshuggah always understood tone when it comes to tuning down, (even back on 7 string, before 8 string) and always used certain amps, pickups and guitar builds for that very reason, and have been leaders in doing so.
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Post by Habuji on Feb 19, 2020 7:38:32 GMT
Meshuggah always understood tone
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 8:36:46 GMT
Meshuggah always understood tone Uh, buddy, you haven't a clue what you've been talking about this whole thread.
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Post by Habuji on Feb 19, 2020 9:39:15 GMT
Uh, buddy, you haven't a clue what you've been talking about this whole thread.
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Post by SicJes on Feb 19, 2020 13:28:01 GMT
Pfff, Meshuggah always sounds amazing. They are THE band that actually sounds good tuned to below infinity. Type O Negative would like a word with you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 19:32:00 GMT
Pfff, Meshuggah always sounds amazing. They are THE band that actually sounds good tuned to below infinity. Type O Negative would like a word with you. Hmm, B tuning hasn't been all that radical for nearly 3 decades, I was referring to 8 string+ tuning I'm a big TON fan. Not the ideal rhythm guitar tone for me, but it fit their style
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Post by Bartman on Feb 19, 2020 19:38:55 GMT
Tuning up is actually super unhealthy for your guitar and much more so than tuning down the same amount. F standard feels further away from where your guitar should be sonically than Drop C# which feels just right. Trying to go higher will risk breaking your strings.
the path to virtue needn't always be easy, young habuji
oh, do not get me wrong i adore the noise and love nothing more than to make my guitar sound like hell. however, the hours these lads spend on plug ins to make 225 similar sounding tinny wire-y piss sounding tones, to then talk about their tones on instagram and twitter is disappointing and sad.
the official best tuning is f#f#f#f#be. science proved that.
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Post by Habuji on Feb 23, 2020 17:50:22 GMT
F#BEADG tuning on a baritone guitar sounds the best and that's a fact.
The frequencies played will give the same feeling as when you hear a Drop C bass and guitar being played at the same time as it's the middle ground between those. It's a sweet spot. Adding bass that's an octave lower will be great for doom/stoner metal.
I know people say things are subjective when it comes to what's better, but I think some genres and tunings in rock/metal are just inherently superior to others.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2020 19:16:14 GMT
The only Meshuggah album i can tolerate is Obzen, still gives me a headache though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2020 0:54:21 GMT
The only Meshuggah album i can tolerate is Obzen, still gives me a headache though. Pussy.
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