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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2020 15:47:15 GMT
Hmmmm, i wonder.
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Post by SicJes on Feb 12, 2020 15:56:00 GMT
For me it's a tie between load and DM, but I voted for DM since it was the Metallica album I've always wanted.
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Post by Jayzon on Feb 12, 2020 20:12:09 GMT
For me, it's Hardwired... For Self-Destruct, easily. It's my favorite Metallica album, period.
And Death Magnetic is the worst Metallica album, period.
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Post by Alan-P on Feb 12, 2020 21:13:22 GMT
For me it's a tie between load and DM, but I voted for DM since it was the Metallica album I've always wanted. DM is a coaster along with St Anger for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 15:46:00 GMT
For me it's a tie between load and DM, but I voted for DM since it was the Metallica album I've always wanted. DM is a coaster along with St Anger for me.
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Post by Habuji on Feb 14, 2020 2:01:01 GMT
DM is easily the worst of the bunch. It's like taking Hardwired and applying tasteless songwriting, boring forced riffs, AWFUL dry production, and an overall half-assed attempt to return to "thrash". It's also the only album that has vocals that sound like they come from a mid-late 2000s/early 2010s live performance and that's not a good thing.
I can listen and enjoy songs from all the other albums however. I would add TBA and then it would have been between that and Load for me.
Having said all this, Purify, Dirty Window, and Carpe Diem Baby are definitely some of the worst songs of their entire career.
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Post by yepsure on Feb 15, 2020 4:12:22 GMT
Reload is easily the worst.
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Post by Alan-P on Feb 15, 2020 9:23:45 GMT
Reload is easily the worst. St Angry with DM a very close second.
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Post by Habuji on Feb 15, 2020 12:04:19 GMT
What exactly does yep hate so much about Reload? The country vocals piss him off?
It does have the most filler out of all the records, I'll give him that, but when the songs are good they are really good.
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Post by SicJes on Feb 15, 2020 13:27:58 GMT
Reload should have been an EP bonus follow up to Load, like Beyond Magnetic.
Fuel Memory Carp WTWTA (cut in half) Low Man (cut in half) Fixxxer
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 17:52:39 GMT
St. Anger has been the butt of metal jokes since 2003. Every song is bad. The entire thing is produced like shit. I still can't believe they released it.
Reload is at least half good, and totally listenable. Even the songs that are cringey to me at least don't sound like shit, and were at least made and arranged with the intention to not suck. At least the turds were actually polished.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 18:00:29 GMT
1. Who is voting for Load? 2. Undecided whether St. Anger/Reload are good or mediocre 3. DM is Metallica's best overall 'album' since TBA.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2020 19:31:15 GMT
The reason I voted for Load, is because as much as DM and HWTSD are supposed to be 'real' Metallica albums, they generally are pale imitations of the past and are the sound of band deterioration. As a fan, do I still enjoy aspects of what they offered? Yes. But they fall under 'novelty' and 'better than nothing/St. Anger.'
Load, for what it was, was the next progression of Metallica and was well produced and performed, with no need of pro tools like editing to make it so.
Nonetheless, a big problem I have with DM and HWTSD is the lack of being able to let go of the Load era. It has not gone away ever since they introduced it. Once (twice) was enough. Though it's clear to me that the purpose of retained Loadness, has to do with the loss of the ability to truly sound/perform like the old Metallica. So the 'return to form' material of the past couple of records, includes the simplicity of the Load era to replace the fact that they couldn't pop out a MOP level song (much less, album) if they really wanted to.
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Post by SicJes on Feb 15, 2020 19:52:07 GMT
If DM was recorded in 87 as a follow up to MOP, with the same sound and production, it would be hailed as the best Metallica album ever.
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Post by Habuji on Feb 16, 2020 0:36:49 GMT
If DM was recorded in 87 as a follow up to MOP, with the same sound and production, it would be hailed as the best Metallica album ever. Yeah, no. Broken Beat & Scarred is the band at it's absolute cringiest, My Apocalypse ain't great, and forgettable mediocre songs such as Suicide & Redemption and The Judas Kiss would have never made it far. Just because the band was playing "thrash" again (or whatever you want to call this washed up incarnation of it) doesn't mean the record was well-written. At best it was a lackluster attempt to recreate a tracklist from the glory days that felt extremely fake and ended up falling flat on its face. Hardwired did what DM tried to do correctly, by embodying everything the band had done in the past with a modern twist, not caring if it wasn't "thrash" enough but playing whatever the fuck they wanted to play. It's also insane how much better James sounded compared to the previous record.
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Post by SicJes on Feb 16, 2020 1:11:36 GMT
Ok, sure. HWTSD is half garbage filler, with a few awesome songs. Murder 1, Atlas rise, NTWD, are by far some of the worst songs in their catalogue save for that little 5 second harmony part in Atlas.
Hardwired, Dream, Revenge, Confusion and Am I Savage are ok at best.Manunkind is cool.
Halo, Spit and Moth are instant classics.
BBS is ok, but definitely the weakest track off of DM.
But in the end, your right, I'm right, we're all right. It's all a matter of opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2020 1:27:48 GMT
I could only imagine people asking what the hell happened to Metallica if that fantasy scenario took place. The production wouldn't change the songwriting.
I understand a chunk of people here really 'believe' in the past 1 or 2 Metallica records, where as I just see all that is missing and regressed from this band. They lost a lot a long the way, and I guess just the hint of past glory satiates some people more than others. But, this band has been at it's worst for over 25 years, both on albums and live. There is not much after 'the first 5' that truly competes with those 5. And in order to even compete, there has to be emulation to do so. That's again, why I picked Load. The best stuff from that, was at least an attempt to do something fresh, and succeeding at it for my tastes.
It's too bad this band didn't bother to learn a damn thing new as musicians. Seems like St. Anger scared them away from that. They hit the wall as far as trying anything different. And, as far as learning anything different, I mean, they should have looked back to Europe, where metal creativity was/is thriving, and has been for decades now, instead of looking to crappy, flavor of the year, corporate American metal trends. I dunno, they probably just became too old to get into anything new, and the same is probably gonna happen to me, it kind of already is.
After the St. Anger scare, Metallica has cashed their chips in and gone on auto pilot, and are a corporate product. They pretty much broke every rule they made for themselves, for money. I tend to not bother care about such things anymore, but, if I bothered to think about it, it's pretty disgraceful what this band has become on many levels. I keep the blinders at least half on, to enjoy the scraps I get as a hopeless Metallica peasant, with full admittance.
Like a lot of people, I'd look more forward to another Garage album than an original one. The Garage album would likely be better.
At least they do shit for charity. To me that is their better accomplishment these days.
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Post by yepsure on Feb 17, 2020 4:26:43 GMT
What exactly does yep hate so much about Reload? The country vocals piss him off? It does have the most filler out of all the records, I'll give him that, but when the songs are good they are really good. I voted Load in the poll above, it’s one of my favourites. Reload we’ve been arguing about for years. In my opinion it has some of the worst songs in their catalogue, and its good songs are ruined by Hetfield’s vocal performance (he seems to use that whiny register exclusively on all songs on this album except for Low Man’s Lyric) along side what is their most over produced guitar sound/mix. So the end result is half the songs being awful, and the decent songs sounding like of mess of layered guitars playing different riffs that are hidden behind layers of whiny and high pitched Hetfield vocal harmonies. It’s their most self indulgent album by far and it’s hard to listen to. St. Anger is pretty bad and has some cringe, but at least it’s not all sleazy rockstar ego like Reload. DM and HW do have their moments that sound forced and uninspired (eg Hardwired and My Apocalypse) but they do have some great songs I keep coming back to (eg. Life, Day, Cyanide, Atlas, Moth, Halo, Revenge). It’s Load though that’s my favourite of the group. Great style, songwriting (for the most part) and great performances. It’s one of my most listened to albums and probably my third favourite by the band behind Puppets and The Black Album.
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Post by jackers on Feb 17, 2020 8:34:10 GMT
I could only imagine people asking what the hell happened to Metallica if that fantasy scenario took place. The production wouldn't change the songwriting. I understand a chunk of people here really 'believe' in the past 1 or 2 Metallica records, where as I just see all that is missing and regressed from this band. They lost a lot a long the way, and I guess just the hint of past glory satiates some people more than others. But, this band has been at it's worst for over 25 years, both on albums and live. There is not much after 'the first 5' that truly competes with those 5. And in order to even compete, there has to be emulation to do so. That's again, why I picked Load. The best stuff from that, was at least an attempt to do something fresh, and succeeding at it for my tastes. It's too bad this band didn't bother to learn a damn thing new as musicians. Seems like St. Anger scared them away from that. They hit the wall as far as trying anything different. And, as far as learning anything different, I mean, they should have looked back to Europe, where metal creativity was/is thriving, and has been for decades now, instead of looking to crappy, flavor of the year, corporate American metal trends. I dunno, they probably just became too old to get into anything new, and the same is probably gonna happen to me, it kind of already is. After the St. Anger scare, Metallica has cashed their chips in and gone on auto pilot, and are a corporate product. They pretty much broke every rule they made for themselves, for money. I tend to not bother care about such things anymore, but, if I bothered to think about it, it's pretty disgraceful what this band has become on many levels. I keep the blinders at least half on, to enjoy the scraps I get as a hopeless Metallica peasant, with full admittance. Like a lot of people, I'd look more forward to another Garage album than an original one. The Garage album would likely be better. At least they do shit for charity. To me that is their better accomplishment these days. I guess that's what happens when anything you put out turns into gold. I think that apart from one exception (that movie from 2013) everything that they have released was a gigantic commercial success. They literally put out one of the worst reviewed albums and made tons of money off of it. I tend to agree that after black album there is no one completely cohesive, good album, dense with high quality from start to end but I don't know man, there are quite a few songs from load to htsd that I like more that 90% of their classic era.
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Post by Habuji on Feb 17, 2020 17:12:40 GMT
What exactly does yep hate so much about Reload? The country vocals piss him off? It does have the most filler out of all the records, I'll give him that, but when the songs are good they are really good. I voted Load in the poll above, it’s one of my favourites. Reload we’ve been arguing about for years. In my opinion it has some of the worst songs in their catalogue, and its good songs are ruined by Hetfield’s vocal performance (he seems to use that whiny register exclusively on all songs on this album except for Low Man’s Lyric) along side what is their most over produced guitar sound/mix. So the end result is half the songs being awful, and the decent songs sounding like of mess of layered guitars playing different riffs that are hidden behind layers of whiny and high pitched Hetfield vocal harmonies. It’s their most self indulgent album by far and it’s hard to listen to. St. Anger is pretty bad and has some cringe, but at least it’s not all sleazy rockstar ego like Reload. DM and HW do have their moments that sound forced and uninspired (eg Hardwired and My Apocalypse) but they do have some great songs I keep coming back to (eg. Life, Day, Cyanide, Atlas, Moth, Halo, Revenge). It’s Load though that’s my favourite of the group. Great style, songwriting (for the most part) and great performances. It’s one of my most listened to albums and probably my third favourite by the band behind Puppets and The Black Album. I don't think songs like Memory Remains or WTWTA would have worked with prime James vocals. The cleaner approach combined with the country twang really adds to those songs and gives them personality. However other songs are made worse by it, with that style of vocals Slither & Bad Seed become even more OBNOXIOUS than they already are. This is where I think the 1997 vocals worked: Memory Remains, WTWTA, Low Man's Lyric, Fixxxer Devil's Dance could have used a little bit more barking vocals from James being a heavier song. If it had been a 1996 performance it would have fit much better. Fuel is awesome but more reminiscent of James before 1997 and I'm pretty sure most of the vocals were recorded 1995-1996. The thing about 1997 vocals is they were a logical step to the way James did his 1998 vocals, which was his 1997 style mixed with his early days barking and IMO his best sounding vocals ever. This makes them an acquired taste and completely inevitable at that point in the career of James doing vocals. What you were saying about the production could apply to all the 1990s Metallica records. A lot of songs had a lot of stuff going on all the time, that's just how they recorded albums back then.
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Post by Awake on Feb 20, 2020 8:47:02 GMT
Hardwired.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 19:16:29 GMT
I thought people hated Load.
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Post by FightFireWithStAnger on Feb 21, 2020 15:33:07 GMT
That's a hard one for me, Load is great, but so is Hardwired. I edge it to Hardwired.
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Post by Awake on Feb 22, 2020 10:47:42 GMT
I thought people hated Load. Your mom loves a load ...
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Post by yepsure on Feb 25, 2020 6:54:43 GMT
I thought people hated Load. You’re getting Load confused with yourself.
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Post by BigBunny on Feb 25, 2020 7:35:24 GMT
LOAD, that album got me into Metallica
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Post by Jayzon on Feb 25, 2020 18:46:20 GMT
LOAD, that album got me into Metallica Same here! My first exposure to Metallica was the music video for Until It Sleeps.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2020 19:07:24 GMT
I like Load, just surprised it's beating the other albums.
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Post by endo on Sept 26, 2021 7:46:25 GMT
I can't vote as I love every one. Every one offers something different that I've loved, and honestly, there isn't an album I've hated or haven't loved. Master was awesome, but so was Justice...and Black...and Load and Reload, and all of it, lol. I just enjoy the stuff and am glad they're digging playing so much still.
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Post by herodreamer79 on May 13, 2023 7:41:44 GMT
This is appalling. The Death Magnetic slander in this thread is shameful.
40% of Load is pure filler and THAT'S the best record here?
are you out of your damn minds?
You all got some broken ass ears.
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